How to respond to 13-year-old daughter who declares being gay

[TinMan]

What was the Greek word for gay in Paul’s day?

there was any number of words:
Galli.
Erastas and eromenos
Kinaidos
Cinadius

 

[TinMan]

This dude supports that sin . He gave himself away with his philo speech . I know exactly where that came from .

And where did it come from?

 

[Jim B]

This dude supports that sin . He gave himself away with his philo speech . I know exactly where that came from .
From a lie to get us to support homosexuality . TEMPLE WORSHIP MY HIND FOOT .
GOD meant what HE said . MAN will NOT lie with man . PEROID .
only ol philo tries to make it seem like that meant , ONLY in the temple , only in the act of prostitution .
THE LAMBS AINT BUYING THEIR LIE .

You speak for "the lambs"? Who exactly appointed you to speak for Christ's lambs, the very same people that you unceasingly judge and condemn?

 

[TinMan]

The term ‘homosexuality’ was coined in the late 19th century by an Austrian-born Hungarian psychologist, Karoly Maria Benkert. Paul didn’t have a word for it, so he used basically male who beds with male

And still in any of the other 90 or so instances of arsenokoitus appearing in written documents do none of them mean homosexual?

 

[amigo de christo]

And where did it come from?

From the south end of a north bound mule .

 

[RLT63]

https://tms.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/tmsj3h.pdf

. Traditional interpretation of rsenokotai (arsenokoitai, "homosexuals") in 1 Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10 refers to sexual vice between people of the same sex, specifically homosexuality. Some restrict the term's meaning to "active male prostitute," but stronger evidence supports a more general translation, namely "homosexuals." More recently the definition "homosexual" has been opposed on cultural and linguistic grounds, the claim being that the term "homosexuals" is anachronistic. In addition, criticism of the traditional rendering says the term today includes celibate homophiles, excludes heterosexuals who engage in homosexual acts, and includes female homosexuals. A concern for acts instead of the modern attention to desires was the only factor in the ancient world. The foregoing opposition to the translation of arsenokoitai by "homosexuals" has a number of debilitating weaknesses. Finally, this study argues that Paul coined the term arsenokoitai, deriving it from the LXX of Lev 20:13 (cf. 18:22) and using it for homosexual orientation and behavior, the latter of which should be an occasion for church discipline (1 Corinthians 5-6) and legislation in society (1 Tim 1:8-11).

 

[Gottservant]

I know the default answer is to "accept" the daughter's position on being gay as loving parents, but is it okay to discuss it and maybe show the daughter that she's actually not gay after all? Or will that be perceived as, "My parents don't love and accept me for being gay."? She might have friends who push that stance about the parents, which could cause harmful division between parents and daughter. Maybe she just saw some things on social media about it and declared it without truly understanding it or thinking it through. How should parents respond to a young teen if this comes up, especially knowing that other kids are egging her on and celebrating her newly-declared stance?

A good tactic is to use your imagination and say "if you were going to be a normal wife, what would that change?"

The point is, to begin with, you just want to clarify how seriously your daughter is taking it.

But then, depending on how that turns out, you might want to invite the Holy Spirit to convict her.

 

[TinMan]

From the south end of a north bound mule .

As near as i can tell you just made it up. And that puts your response in a whole new light

 

[TinMan]

https://tms.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/tmsj3h.pdf

. Traditional interpretation of rsenokotai (arsenokoitai, "homosexuals") in 1 Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10 refers to sexual vice between people of the same sex, specifically homosexuality. Some restrict the term's meaning to "active male prostitute," but stronger evidence supports a more general translation, namely "homosexuals."

What evidence?

More recently the definition "homosexual" has been opposed on cultural and linguistic grounds, the claim being that the term "homosexuals" is anachronistic. In addition, criticism of the traditional rendering says the term today includes celibate homophiles, excludes heterosexuals who engage in homosexual acts, and includes female homosexuals. A concern for acts instead of the modern attention to desires was the only factor in the ancient world. The foregoing opposition to the translation of arsenokoitai by "homosexuals" has a number of debilitating weaknesses. Finally, this study argues that Paul coined the term arsenokoitai, deriving it from the LXX of Lev 20:13 (cf. 18:22) and using it for homosexual orientation and behavior, the latter of which should be an occasion for church discipline (1 Corinthians 5-6) and legislation in society (1 Tim 1:8-11).

Lets test that out -

It is said that Paul coined the word arsenokoites by combining two separate words arsen and koite from the Septuagint because his audience would have no reference or understanding of homosexuality. The ancient Greeks clearly understood the concept and didn’t have to make up words to discuss it either.

The phrase from the Septuagint being abused is: "kai meta arsenos ou koimêthêsê koitên gynaikos bdelygma gar estin"

Breaking this down:

The greek "Kai" is "and", and "meta" is is usually translated as "with".

"arsenos" means "male" (as opposed to "man" ["andros"]).

"koimethese" roughly means "the same as".

"koiten" here means something more than just a bed (kaioh) Koiten specifically means "marriage bed".

"gyno" means "woman" [as in "gynacology"], but here the specific word is gynaikos idiomatically refer to "wife", as in "my woman".

"bdelygma" means "ritually impure" not abomination. "To'ebah" is the word for abomination. Remember isn't sin "to'ebah" doesn't mean sin, (zimah). To enter the temple or engage in rituals required a man to ritually cleansed.

So we have: A (sanctified) male should not bring a sexual partner (no specified gender) to his wife's bed for sex, doing so makes him ritually impure.

 

[RLT63]

What evidence?


Lets test that out -

It is said that Paul coined the word arsenokoites by combining two separate words arsen and koite from the Septuagint because his audience would have no reference or understanding of homosexuality. The ancient Greeks clearly understood the concept and didn’t have to make up words to discuss it either.

The phrase from the Septuagint being abused is: "kai meta arsenos ou koimêthêsê koitên gynaikos bdelygma gar estin"

Breaking this down:

The greek "Kai" is "and", and "meta" is is usually translated as "with".

"arsenos" means "male" (as opposed to "man" ["andros"]).

"koimethese" roughly means "the same as".

"koiten" here means something more than just a bed (kaioh) Koiten specifically means "marriage bed".

"gyno" means "woman" [as in "gynacology"], but here the specific word is gynaikos idiomatically refer to "wife", as in "my woman".

"bdelygma" means "ritually impure" not abomination. "To'ebah" is the word for abomination. Remember isn't sin "to'ebah" doesn't mean sin, (zimah). To enter the temple or engage in rituals required a man to ritually cleansed.

So we have: A (sanctified) male should not bring a sexual partner (no specified gender) to his wife's bed for sex, doing so makes him ritually impure.

Which Bible translates it that way?

 

[amigo de christo]

As near as i can tell you just made it up. And that puts your response in a whole new light

They were the ones that planted the idea into churches .
This actually isnt a new way of doing things either .
Many come along and use greek words and etc to try and take away from the simplicity of what the scrips were saying .
In order to attain a certain agenda or goal .
In this case the goal was to steer people away from thinking the act of homosexuality is evil
and rather trying to say it meant if man is with man in the temple , prostitute etc .
Not what it means my friend . It meant what it said .
These wise sounding folks had and have an agenda .

 

[TinMan]

Which Bible translates it that way?

Your post was about the Septuagint. Please pay attention.

 

[TinMan]

They were the ones that planted the idea into churches .

Who?

This actually isnt a new way of doing things either .
Many come along and use greek words and etc to try and take away from the simplicity of what the scrips were saying .

What exactly does an accurate translation take away?

In order to attain a certain agenda or goal .
In this case the goal was to steer people away from thinking the act of homosexuality is evil
and rather trying to say it meant if man is with man in the temple , prostitute etc .
Not what it means my friend . It meant what it said .
These wise sounding folks had and have an agenda .

And what is your agenda?

 

[amigo de christo]

Who?

What exactly does an accurate translation take away?

And what is your agenda?

my agenda is to preach CHRIST and IN HE ALONE , FAITH IN HE ALONE is what saves .
My advice , get on that TRAIN tin man . And when i say CHRIST JESUS , i mean the one in the bible
the same one the apostels letters were inspired by . cause if any comes and preaches another gospel
another , sin accepting jesus , or a jesus that preaches a love that accepts the paths of other religoins ,
YA BEEN DUPED . that is just satan using the name of JESUS to cause us to worship the father of lies and of sin .

 

[Jim B]

my agenda is to preach CHRIST and IN HE ALONE , FAITH IN HE ALONE is what saves .
My advice , get on that TRAIN tin man . And when i say CHRIST JESUS , i mean the one in the bible
the same one the apostels letters were inspired by . cause if any comes and preaches another gospel
another , sin accepting jesus , or a jesus that preaches a love that accepts the paths of other religoins ,
YA BEEN DUPED . that is just satan using the name of JESUS to cause us to worship the father of lies and of sin .

No, your agenda is to vilify everyone who doesn't agree with your rigid ideology, including other Christians! Why can't you see that? You're not preaching Christ, you're preaching your own spiteful theology.. You even take OT verses out of context to justify your behavior, ignoring the command to love your neighbor as yourself.

Again, what is it about “For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world but in order that the world might be saved through him."

If God didn't send Jesus into the world to condemn the world, what makes you think that you're different?

 

[TinMan]

my agenda is to preach CHRIST and IN HE ALONE , FAITH IN HE ALONE is what saves .
My advice , get on that TRAIN tin man . And when i say CHRIST JESUS , i mean the one in the bible
the same one the apostels letters were inspired by . cause if any comes and preaches another gospel
another , sin accepting jesus , or a jesus that preaches a love that accepts the paths of other religoins ,
YA BEEN DUPED . that is just satan using the name of JESUS to cause us to worship the father of lies and of sin .

I'm still waiting to find out who faked the writings of Philo

 

[RLT63]

Which Bible translates it that way?

Arsenokoitai and Gay Christians

Definition of arsenokoitai based on ancient Greek texts.

www.rodsgarden.50megs.com

. The most accurate definition of

Arsenokoitai is a word I cannot post here. The closest I can post is “Men who have sex with men”​

 

[Grailhunter]

You guys are funny!
Riddle me this.....when queer guys go to bed with each other, do they have to take toilet paper to bed with them?

Secondly anybody got an idea why male homosexuality was so offensive to the Israelites/Jews?

To be a homosexual is not a sin.....it is actually doing it that is a sin.
Being a Pedophilia is not a sin.....it is actually doing it that is a sin.
Being a kleptomaniac is not a sin....it is actually stealing that is a sin.
Being a homicidal is not a sin....it is actually murdering that is a sin.

Whether it be religion or just society.....we live in a age where anything goes and people are not expected to be responsible for their own actions and there should not be any ramifications. So much so that those that believe in morality and character are ridiculed, even considered backward.

Unless you are an immoral, atheist, communist, druggie....you are not considered smart by society.

 

[RLT63]

You guys are funny!
Riddle me this.....when queer gays go to bed with each other, do they have to take toilet paper to bed with them?

Secondly anybody got an idea why male homosexuality was so offensive to the Israelites/Jews?

To be a homosexual is not a sin.....it is actually doing it that is a sin.
Being a Pedophilia is not a sin.....it is actually doing it that is a sin.
Being a kleptomaniac is not a sin....it is actually stealing that is a sin.
Being a homicidal is not a sin....it is actually murdering that is a sin.

Whether it be religion or just society.....we live in a age where anything goes and people are not expected to be responsible for their own actions and there should not be any ramifications. So much so that those that believe in morality and character are ridiculed, even considered backward.

Unless you are an immoral, atheist, communist, druggie....you are not considered smart by society.

Being tempted is not a sin but Jesus said thinking about doing something is as bad as doing it.

Mat 5:27 - Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

Mat 5:28 - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in-his heart.

 

[Grailhunter]

Being tempted is not a sin but Jesus said thinking about doing something is as bad as doing it.

Mat 5:27 - Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

Mat 5:28 - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in-his heart.

Lust being one of the keywords and you or her have to be married for it to be adultery.