It's Getting Real Folks

[face2face]

In my estimation your error is believing that everything the Prophets understood about God was accurate/ correct.

Okay do inform me of their error!

Jesus made it clear that not everything they had heard said and I would add, assumed, was correct.

A verse would be nice!

If you want a definitive reference point to determine right from wrong, truth from error Jesus is The Man. He says in Luke 21:33 'Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.'

And I agree with him as do you!

Jesus is the North Star, the immovable rock, the faithful and true witness.

Yep

It was Jesus of whom the voice from the cloud said 'listen to him' .....and that was in the company of Moses and Elijah....yup, representatives of the Law and the Prophets.

2 Peter 1:20 -21 overcomes you point here but I will entertain it for now.

F2F

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[face2face]

you clearly don't hear yourself!

I'll lean on your good character to overlook any shortcomings I have in your eyes. I am a unique individual quiet, not everyone’s cup of tea! Hey, John wore camel skin and ate locust and honey and had no time for the whimsical fascinations of the righteous in his day. I cut straight to the chase - time is short and too many people are lost in mysticism.

F2F

 

[BarneyFife]

Where are you getting all this from Brakelite? I've always taken you to be a real thinker

It seems like real (deep?) thinking would be precisely what's needed to get beneath a surface-reading of Scripture.

I get that many force and twist a couple of prophecy passages (Isaiah & Ezekiel) but its the lack of any mention in the Torah which rings alarm for any Bible student.

So, as Christians, we don't believe anything that isn't plainly stated with a fair amount of detail in the Torah? This is not a classical hermeneutical model that I'm familiar with. Except that it's largely the reason Jews don't believe in Christ.

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[face2face]

It seems like real (deep?) thinking would be precisely what's needed to get beneath a surface-reading of Scripture.

Or, just careful reading of the Word. We can force many man-made notions on the Word for instance, when a person reads the word "satan" what is in their minds? Hence, why I questioned Brakelite and now quietthinker.

So, as Christians, we don't believe anything that isn't plainly stated with a fair amount of detail in the Torah? This is not a classical hermeneutical model that I'm familiar with. Except that it's largely the reason Jews don't believe in Christ. .

There are a number of Christian doctrines which will be removed at Christs coming which will open the way for them to believe.
F2F

 

[Marymog]

Lol. I don't believe in any creed. Creeds imprison you to a set of beliefs that inhibit any further revelation.

Lol....do you even know the history of Creeds and why they were NEEDED?

What is so imprisoning about The Apostles Creed?

Curious Mary

 

[BarneyFife]

It is true that Satan knows the scriptures better than anyone. Which is why his ultimate purpose of destroying God's people can only come about through deception... Counterfeiting truth. He has a counterfeit church, a counterfeit Christ, and a counterfeit eschatology, but each one having concepts and ideas based on scripture, but incorporating enough poison to kill. One can detect mixtures of the above counterfeits throughout Christianity.

AMEN. That's why scientists measure toxins in parts per million. :)

 

[07-07-07]

The ground work is being laid for no one to be able to buy or sell except that person has the soon-to-be revealed 666 Mark of the Beast. The COVID-19 pandemic was a huge step in that direction and given the world elites what they need to establish it. No buying, selling, social security, job, etc... unless you take the Mark. Will you take it and be damned by God or will you die a horrible death of homelessness and starvation? Or, be killed for Jesus' name sake?

Revelation 7
[13] And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
[14] And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
[15] Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
[16] They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
[17] For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

 

[Phoneman777]

Should i hate my american government and cause trouble for the police?

Anarchy is good?

Love to you Tommy, and carry on brother,
Matthew

If the Protestant Reformers were alive today, they'd instantly recognize the Second Beast of Revelation 13. Wesley tells us EXACTLY what they believed about the First Beast in his commentary on Revelation 13, where he said in the 1770s, "The time of the First Beast is almost done (538-1798) and we now look for the rise of the Second Beast, who it not far off".

The Second Beast not only makes an image to the First Beast (union of church and state) but will force the entire world to bow down to the First Beast, so I guess it's OK to hate the sinful government but love those who occupy it.

 

[Phoneman777]

Do not fear covid.

Definitely fear and avoid their vaxx

Just saw a new report where some government shill was discussing "long Covid" aka "VAERS raison d'etre" and the level of gaslighting on display was phenomenal.

 

[ButterflyJones]

It is true that Satan knows the scriptures better than anyone. Which is why his ultimate purpose of destroying God's people can only come about through deception... Counterfeiting truth. He has a counterfeit church, a counterfeit Christ, and a counterfeit eschatology, but each one having concepts and ideas based on scripture, but incorporating enough poison to kill. One can detect mixtures of the above counterfeits throughout Christianity.

God knows everything there is to know. Satan can do nothing unless God allows it.

Job 1

 

[Phoneman777]

Where do you get this from Brakelite?

When Jesus quoted Scripture to shut down the devil's first temptation, the devil said in his second one, "Oh, you like quoting Scripture? Well, cast yourself down from this high place because Scripture says He'll "give His angels charge to keep Thee, lest Thou dash Thy foot against the rock" - the devil immediately resorted to Scripture, knew exactly which Scripture to choose, and knew exactly how to misquote it in order to trip up Jesus...but Jesus was ready for him.

 

[Phoneman777]

I did not at all say that Satan is not brilliantly evil! He knows our ways, what buttons to push, places many stumbling blocks, our likes, dislikes. All of them from childhood on. I am not ignorant of this Q.T. It is actually kind of elementary I'm quite onto his wiles, as we all should be.

And with his legions of demons, he doesn't miss much, for sure.

Lord, strengthen your church!
:)

You can learn a lot about human nature when you study it for as long as Satan has - around 6,000 years, if we go by Biblical chronology :)

 

[face2face]

When Jesus quoted Scripture to shut down the devil's first temptation, the devil said in his second one, "Oh, you like quoting Scripture? Well, cast yourself down from this high place because Scripture says He'll "give His angels charge to keep Thee, lest Thou dash Thy foot against the rock" - the devil immediately resorted to Scripture, knew exactly which Scripture to choose, and knew exactly how to misquote it in order to trip up Jesus...but Jesus was ready for him.

Yes this is one of a number of views. Who was the adversary? External or internal?

 

[quietthinker]

Yes this is one of a number of views. Who was the adversary? External or internal?

semantics! did Jesus have an adversary inside of him?
The calamities which befell Job were caused by?

 

[MatthewG]

If the Protestant Reformers were alive today, they'd instantly recognize the Second Beast of Revelation 13. Wesley tells us EXACTLY what they believed about the First Beast in his commentary on Revelation 13, where he said in the 1770s, "The time of the First Beast is almost done (538-1798) and we now look for the rise of the Second Beast, who it not far off".

The Second Beast not only makes an image to the First Beast (union of church and state) but will force the entire world to bow down to the First Beast, so I guess it's OK to hate the sinful government but love those who occupy it.

Phoneman777,

Thank you for your opinion,

All the best,
Matthew

 

[BarneyFife]

It is actually kind of elementary

We have good reason to be distrusting of ourselves.

We humans are very good at overlooking the obvious, largely due to our tendency to allow our hearts to be overcharged with surfeiting and drunkenness.

Bible Gateway passage: Luke 21:34 - King James Version

And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

www.biblegateway.com

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Peter 5:8 - King James Version

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Phoneman777]

Yes this is one of a number of views. Who was the adversary? External or internal?

Scripture plainly refers to the Devil/Satan/Lucifer as a real, spirit being - not a figment of one's imagination. Do you know of any verses that lead people to believe otherwise?

 

[Phoneman777]

Phoneman777,

Thank you for your opinion,

All the best,
Matthew

Thank you. I never cease to warn people that are on the side of the "Papal Counter Reformation" that they are actually fighting against God and the God-ordained "Protestant Reformation".

 

[Cassandra]

Satan was defeated and done away with. With his head crushed in by the foot of Jesus and thrown into the lake of fire forever.

What still exist is darkness inside of human beings, and the spirits of the world which feed the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of ones own life; just like Satan.

Temptations come by and through the heart and its not by Satan; its by lies of other human beings misguiding others which doesnt bring forth truth whcih can set one free. And by the deception of the culture of the world compared to the heavenly ways which Yahava desires for us to look towards.

Relying on Christ and the spirit looking to Yahava; denying the self and picking up ones own cross.

Everyone wanna blame satan… why…

Do you not have faith that he was defeated?

People say he has had the victory but not yet? Such a contradiction.

Love to all,
Matthew

Are you sinless? You have a darkness?? When is Jesus going to remove it then? You cannot exist eternally with a darkness.
What happens after we die? What is the second death?

 

[MatthewG]

Are you sinless? You have a darkness?? When is Jesus going to remove it then? You cannot exist eternally with a darkness.
What happens after we die? What is the second death?

Lot of questions.

Ill only answer no I am not sinless.

All the best,
Matthew