If all children go to Heaven and if Hell is forever then it seems that it's GOOD when children die, right?

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
That's an interesting point. Reminds me of the Philippian jailer.
I don't recall it as a promise of Jesus though.

Acts 16:31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Every promise in th Bible comes from God.

That's an interesting workaround...
But it means that Jesus didn't say it, right?

 

[St. SteVen]

I was surprised that no one saw either the humor or the reality check in this post. (#60)

I'm trying to imagine the judgement of an infant.
Parody time:

"Do you remember depriving your parents of sleep for weeks on end?"
Response: "Goo goo, gah gah."
"For the record, was that a 'Yes', or a 'No'?
Response: "Dah dah dah."
"So, you're blaming your father?"
Response: "Thhatttttz." (tongue noise)

Wouldn't babies face a judgement before being condemned to a forever burning hell?
(for those that believe in such)

 

[MatthewG]

I was reading Revelation last night and saw this verse 23

To the Church in Thyatira​

18 “To the angel of the church in Thyatira write:

These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze. 19 I know your deeds, your love and faith, your service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first.
20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.
24 Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan’s so-called deep secrets, ‘I will not impose any other burden on you, 25 except to hold on to what you have until I come.’
26 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’[b]—just as I have received authority from my Father. 28 I will also give that one the morning star. 29 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Is Jesus in Revelation, different than the Jesus of the Gospel?

Is he right to make judgement calls?

John 8:16 Amplified Bible (AMP)
But even if I do judge, My judgment is true and My decision is right; for I am not alone [in making it], but I and the Father who sent Me [make the same judgment].

 

[MatthewG]

Here is the same verse in Literal Translation from Youngs, Verse 23,

18 `And to the messenger of the assembly of Thyatira write: These things saith the Son of God, who is having his eyes as a flame of fire, and his feet like to fine brass;

19 I have known thy works, and love, and ministration, and faith, and thy endurance, and thy works -- and the last [are] more than the first.

20 `But I have against thee a few things: That thou dost suffer the woman Jezebel, who is calling herself a prophetess, to teach, and to lead astray, my servants to commit whoredom, and idol-sacrifices to eat;

21 and I did give to her a time that she might reform from her whoredom, and she did not reform;

22 lo, I will cast her into a couch, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation -- if they may not repent of their works,

23 and her children I will kill in death, and know shall all the assemblies that I am he who is searching reins and hearts; and I will give to you -- to each -- according to your works.

24 `And to you I say, and to the rest who are in Thyatira, as many as have not this teaching, and who did not know the depths of the Adversary, as they say; I will not put upon you other burden;

25 but that which ye have -- hold ye, till I may come;

26 and he who is overcoming, and who is keeping unto the end my works, I will give to him authority over the nations,

27 and he shall rule them with a rod of iron -- as the vessels of the potter they shall be broken -- as I also have received from my Father;

28 and I will give to him the morning star.

29 He who is having an ear -- let him hear what the Spirit saith to the assemblies.

 

[MatthewG]

If God is fair to judge, and is able to have children killed, does that make God unfair and unjust??

What about God's judgement in sending to bears to slay children?

19 And the men of the city say unto Elisha, `Lo, we pray thee, the site of the city [is] good, as my lord seeth, and the waters [are] bad, and the earth sterile.'

20 And he saith, `Bring to me a new dish, and place there salt;' and they bring [it] unto him,

21 and he goeth out unto the source of the waters, and casteth there salt, and saith, `Thus said Jehovah, I have given healing to these waters; there is not thence any more death and sterility.'

22 And the waters are healed unto this day, according to the word of Elisha, that he spake.

23 And he goeth up thence to Beth-El, and he is going up in the way, and little youths have come out from the city, and scoff at him, and say to him, `Go up, bald-head! go up, bald-head!'

24 And he looketh behind him, and seeth them, and declareth them vile in the name of Yahava, and two bears come out of the forest, and rend of them forty and two lads.

25 And he goeth thence unto the hill of Carmel, and thence he hath turned back to Samaria.

Verse 23-25 - and 2 bears came up out of the forest and killed the forty and two lads.

Is God a monster? Or is us as human beings - just think it is unfair?

Idk if lads are actually small children - because these guys were like "Go up bald-head"


Does that make you lose faith because of these things in the bible that are written?

Then there may be surely a problem.

God already said he takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, and desires people to turn from their wicked ways, and he has a plan for people to be reconciled even though people are resurrected and placed outside of the kingdom of God, and tehre is also the inside of teh Kingdom.


Can people travel out? To find lost lads and get them to come the fire that comes from God?


Just some question you gotta think about: It's doesn't bother me personally and it's doesn't make me wanna go kill children.

 

[MatthewG]

It is just humanistic approach to life - rather than accepting the judgements of God, which steers people away from him? To even have a desire to serve him? To learn more about Him, and his goodness? But wait it said he judged and killed them by two bears, or jesus said "I will kill their children", he is unfair he is a murderer...

Is God a murderer? Is Hell even on fire like so many love to talk about ?

 

[Jack]

Is God a murderer?

Did you hear about the Genesis Flood where God drowned all but 8 on Earth, "making them an example"?

Is Hell even on fire like so many love to talk about ?

You mean like Jesus mentioned several times?

Matthew 18
9 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.

 

[MatthewG]

Yeah I did, Jack.

 

[Jack]

Yeah I did, Jack.

Did you get the point? God does whatever He chooses to do. He doesn't ask our permission.

1 Samuel 2
6 The LORD kills and makes alive;

2 Kings 17
25 They didn't fear the Lord, so the Lord sent lions to kill them.

 

[MatthewG]

Now I do, Jack.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

St. SteVen said:
That's an interesting point. Reminds me of the Philippian jailer.
I don't recall it as a promise of Jesus though.

That's an interesting workaround...
But it means that Jesus didn't say it, right?

It's also interesting that Jesus Himself is the Word. Every word in the Bible is coming from the Creator, Whom He is. All Scripture is God breathed, inspired by God and given to His chosen 40 men to write down exactly what He told them to, infusing His thoughts into their minds and onto the paper.

 

[Jack]

There are many promises to save our families. Satan's ministers have stolen them from the hearts of 'Christians'!

2 Corinthians 11
14 Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness,

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Besides the Philippian Jailer, there's also this head-scratcher from 1 Corinthians 7:14:

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.

Of course, the children of unbelievers still get toasted in this paradigm.

As an aside, I'm told the family salvation promise is one of the reasons Mormon are into genealogy: To find out who in their family they're saving. Maybe some of our Mormon members here (Jane Doe?) could confirm that?

The 1 Corinthians 7 verses are talking about each family member being a good influence in their house- bringing His light in. For example, righteous parents teaching their children righteous ways.

LDS Christian baptisms for the dead are a different thing and don’t super directly tie in to these verses. Link on that subject: Baptisms for the Dead

 

[MatthewG]

It's important to teach children, but also not to provoke your own child, they need to have the freedom to think, and choose for themselves.

“And you, fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath, but bring them up in the training and admonition of the Lord” (Eph. 6:4 NKJV)

 

[JunChosen]

If babies go to Hell I don't see much hope for you.

We are speaking about unsaved babies, right? This needs to be clarified because you mistook me of being Aunty who is a JW!

And, if you didn't know it already, that's the gist of Psalms 58:3-8, which is the word of God!

I've always taught and maintained here in these forums that "hell" and the "Lake of Fire" are NOT a place of torment but nothing more than they are a "condition" (the wages of sin is death). There is the love of God demonstrated that even in the death of the unbelievers, His love shines through! (2 Peter 3:9).

To God Be The Glory

 

[JunChosen]

To believe that children burn in Hell is utterly Satanic!

Don't you believe Scripture is God's WORD?

For He declares:

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

To God Be The Glory

 

[Jack]

We are speaking about unsaved babies, right?

No such thing!

This needs to be clarified because you mistook me of being Aunty who is a JW!

Which has nothing to do with you believing babies go to Hell.

And, if you didn't know it already, that's the gist of Psalms 58:3-8, which is the word of God!

I've always taught and maintained here in these forums that "hell" and the "Lake of Fire" are NOT a place of torment but nothing more than they are a "condition" (the wages of sin is death). There is the love of God demonstrated that even in the death of the unbelievers, His love shines through! (2 Peter 3:9).

To God Be The Glory

Why are you obsessed with babies being wicked and going to Hell??? I've seen hundreds of babies in my life but NEVER seen a wicked baby! So clearly you are TWISTING Scripture!

 

[Jack]

Don't you believe Scripture is God's WORD?

For He declares:

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

To God Be The Glory

See above.

 

[JunChosen]

I was surprised that no one saw either the humor or the reality check in this post. (#60)

Wouldn't babies face a judgement before being condemned to a forever burning hell?
(for those that believe in such)

This is for the whole of mankind:

"And as it is appointed unto men (babies included) once to die, but after this the judgment."

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

No more of anything NOT even "Hell" or "the Lake of Fire!"

Hell and the Lake of fire, as I've asserted is just a "condition" and never a place!

To God Be The Glory

 

[JunChosen]

Why are you obsessed with babies being wicked and going to Hell??? I've seen hundreds of babies in my life but NEVER seen a wicked baby! So clearly you are TWISTING Scripture!

Because someone has to tell you of your delinquency in misinterpreting Psalms 58:3-8.

All I'm doing is being faithful to the word of God. If you think I'm wrong then show me through Scripture and let us reason together. All I've read from your posts are only opinions.

To God Be The Glory