Denying the Cross: How to do it

[Behold]

I do not agree with this Christian gospel of unrighteousness being preached here.

There is no unrighteousness "in Christ", and all the born again are "in Christ".

All the born again are become "The righteousness of God, in Christ"..

SALVATION< is God giving us His very Righteousness, as a "gift".

The Cross of Christ makes this possible for us all who BELIEVE and are born again.

 

[Episkopos]

I do not agree with this Christian gospel of unrighteousness being preached here. I don't argue with it, but just reject it outright.

We know it is preaching unrighteousness for life, because it's inherent in it's doctrine.

To say that we are already forgiven of past sinning, present sinning, and future sinning, is simply saying we were sinning, we are sinning, and we shall be sinning unto death. It rules out by definition any possibility of not sinning today and tomorrow. Otherwise, how can we already be forgiven of them, if we fail to commit them? Does God forgive not sinning? Nay, but only sinning. Can God forgive not sinning today? Nay but only sinning today. Tomorrow? Yes, the same for today. You see, we must sin today and tomorrow for God to have already forgiven it. Is God a liar? A false prophet? God forbid!

This is a Christian gospel of foreordained sinning from cradle to grave, which I am familiar with and simply most heretically reject it. By it's core doctrine, it prophecies all men have, are, and will be sinning against God unto death. It is the gospel of being Christian sinners the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow (But not forever.)

Now, while the first part is certainly true, that all men have sinned, the 2nd part is only true for those sinning today. Not for those not sinning today. And again the third is true, if tomorrow comes.

After all, all men have not faith in the gospel of unrighteousness, and some heretics even dare to disobey it by choosing to do good rather than evil. And not just today, after all why stop there? But tomorrow also! Which of course doubles down on the heresy. And if that means God not having to forgive us for sinning against Him neither today nor tomorrow? Then I say so be it.

I am an unrepentant heretic to the Christian gospel of preordained daily sinning for life until death do us part from the devil. And that includes my sympathies to those living and preaching it, seeing how the grave must truly be a most sorrowful event at ending their sinning. As well as their God's opportunity to continue preforgiving it.

Yes, I am such a reprobate heretic of this Christian prepaid sinning for life, that I do most certainly mock it.

But all in fun, because I do so enjoy it.

This thread has to be seen as instruction on how to avoid the cross. The title is how to deny the cross. Behold does a great job showing us how that is done.

 

[Behold]

This thread has to be seen as instruction on how to avoid the cross.

Avoiding the Cross, is to believe that you are in control of keeping yourself saved, and trying to perform righteousness to be righteous, as saving yourself.

As in that case, you are avoiding the Cross. You're denying it.

Thats the "Thread".

Im not surprised that you can't understand it.

 

[Ghada]

Ive never taught that only "past sins" are forgiven.
I teach that """Jesus became our sin, and is our one time eternal sacrifice."""

Well, like duh. I mean you do plainly preach against it. Believe me, there's no doubts here about exactly what your gospel is, and that you wholeheartedly embrace and live it. No one's calling anyone a hypocrite. I mean it, when I say I am glad about your refreshing departure from dithering around about whose gospel is whose, and who the heretics are in the room. We both are! I am a heretic to you (gladly), and you are a heretic to me. Whether you are glad about it or not is your own emotional issue.

This is Paul's theology.

Well, this of course remains to be seen in the end and judgement of God, which is without respect of persons according to our works of righteousness or unrighteousness at the grave.

I've already quoted from Paul, and Peter, heretiking against your gospel, and that's sufficient.

Afterall, in my gospel we should challenge one another only once or twice at most, and then reject each other as heretics. I don't mind that at all. And I wholeheartedly agree with you, that I am an heretic to your gospel of already been forgiven for all your sinning today and tomorrow.

And if you'd like to preach more about it, I'm more than glad to see it, because I consider myself a great student of other gospels and religions, that I neither believe nor preach. That includes not living by your gospel. Sorry, I'll pass on your great news of sinning today, in order to satisfy your gospel mandate of already being forgive for it.

Afterall, if I don't sin today, then I can't be forgiven for it already, and thus I nullify your core premise in the first place. So, you see by not even wanting to sin today, I can't obey your gospel. Sorry. (Well, figuratively sorry.)

Yes. I am a wholehearted heretic that does not take your gospel seriously at all. No more than that of Muhammed and Buddha and Krishna, and Wicken, and any Gnosticator. (Dittoes with any created christ)

 

[Ghada]

This thread has to be seen as instruction on how to avoid the cross. The title is how to deny the cross. Behold does a great job showing us how that is done.

In all seriousness brother, we deny the cross of Jesus by denying our own cross for Jesus. If we're not crucified to sinning with Christ, then we're not with Christ.

The gospel of preforgiven sinning with Christ, is not a gospel I accept.

Nor obey!!!

 

[Episkopos]

In all seriousness brother, we deny the cross of Jesus by denying our own cross for Jesus. If we're not crucified to sinning with Christ, then we're not with Christ.

The gospel of preforgiven sinning with Christ, is not a gospel I accept.

Nor obey!!!

Trinny you might be, but right you are on this one brother!

 

[Behold]

Well, like duh. I mean you do plainly preach against it.

I teach Pauline Theology.
Only.

Well, this of course remains to be seen in the end and judgement of God, which is without respect of persons according to our works of righteousness or unrighteousness at the grave.

Jesus is our Righteousness.
We dont have to wait till we die to find that out.
All we have to do is believe it, as its a fact.

I've already quoted from Paul, and Peter, heretiking against your gospel, and that's sufficient.

You've actually not stated what you say is "my gospel".
Try it anytime you like, and then we'll know what you are talking about.

Afterall, in my gospel we should challenge one another only once or twice at most, and then reject each other as heretics.

I dont have "my gospel".
I only preach Paul's Gospel.

"The Gospel of the Grace of God".

Afterall, if I don't sin today, then I can't be forgiven for it already

Sin is dealt with on the Cross, 2000 yrs ago.
Why dont you know this yet... @Ghada

Here is the Update.

2nd Corinthians 5:19

John 3:17

 

[Ghada]

Avoiding the Cross, is to believe that you are in control of keeping yourself saved, and trying to perform righteousness to be righteous, as saving yourself.

Perfect! The exact opposite of the Bible. I applaud your boldness. Frankly, you do deserve credit. Most Christians that would agree with your doctrine, are not so open about it, but only hint at it. In fact, in the past when I repeat what they're really saying back to them, then they actually get offended. I mean most people do seek some sort of cover for what they are really thinking and trying not to say, while still trying to say it.

I think now I will simply quote you as one of their masters, and see how they respond. I can give your post if you life, so they know exactly who it's coming from, and that it's not just some heretic trying to find fault with their doctrine that you teach.

I am now an official heretic fan of yours and am gladly storing what you have in my files. And if I ever take time to write about other gospels and religions, then I'm sure you'll get top billing. Maybe. So far, anyway.

Im not surprised that you can't understand it.

I do! If I keep myself from sinning, and do righteousness to be as righteous as Jesus, and walk as He walked to be like Jesus. I am denying your cross!!!

Gladly!!! Tell me more of my heresy. I have a book to write. I sincerely hope your deep well never runs dry before we die.

 

[Ghada]

Trinny you might be, but right you are on this one brother!

Hey, don't you get me started!

That's Trinitarianinny to you brother pal. My Onesy!

 

[Episkopos]

Hey, don't you get me started!

That's Trinitarianinny to you brother pal. My Onesy!

Binsey remember? (Binny)

 

[Ghada]

The only way to "be holy" is to receive the "gift of Righteousness".

Thanks again. And oldy but a really favorite goody.

The gospel of being righteous all by our own faith alone, no matter how much unrighteousness we may do to try and disprove it.

It's like being stuck with something we don't want to do, just because we keep believing it. Sort of like Lot, who inherited his faith from Abraham, but not recieved from God. In my gospel it's called wretchedness seeking deliverance.

That can go two ways. Be delivered from the sinning, or the faith condemning any sinning. By my gospel I've made peace by way of the former, and by your gospel you've made peace by way of the latter.

Which of course is why our heretical gospels are as far apart from one another as is the east from the west.

And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Which one of us does this apply to? One or the other, or even both. God will judge our works in the end, and so we'll one day know for very very sure.

The born again person is become "the righteousness of God in Christ" and there is the righteousness, the holiness.
Its comes from God.
Its "the GIFT of Righteousness".

We actually agree here. We have some common ground after all. We just don't agree on having it while not doing it vs doing it while having it.

Afterall, I figure why let all that pent up internal righteousness go to waste? Right? I mean, it's fine covering something up on the inside and keeping all to our own little selves, but Jesus does speak of letting it shine outwardly and not hiding it in a napkin and burying it in hole we've dug for it.

There is, of course, as you may know, a Christian gospel that let's it come out in the open sometimes, while other times sticking it's head back in for a little more time of unrighteousness. Maybe that's your gospel too?

Wait, I'll try preaching it like they do, to see if it sounds more familiar to you. Let me see now. Ahem:

We are made all righteousness of God by Christ in us through faith alone! . But that does not necessarily mean we are all doing that righteousness all the time . For we are still all flawed saved sinners solely by grace , so that while we certainly don't enjoy sinning anymore , we certainly shall (sadly ) sin some more, at least from time to time. And so, since we can never say we are righteous by doing righteousness, then we can also haply never say, we cannot be unrighteous by doing unrighteousness! And so in conclusion fellow sinful Christians, we can gladly say we certainly we are all righteous, even when, (sadly ), we are doing unrighteousness.

How does that sound to you? Agree? Disagree? Although, in order to fit your bill of all prepaid debts today and tomorrow, then we'd have to tweak it a bit, and say instead: So that while we certainly don't enjoy sinning anymore, we certainly shall (sadly ) sin daily.

It's probably a little snarky, I know, but I think that just about hits the mark of sinfully saved Christianity. And all the emoticons are not just for appearances. Afterall, I believe they mean it when they celebrate their grace to sin without condemnation, amidst all that pulsating righteousness within their breasts, by the power of their very own faith alone.

Just because we can teach something, does not mean we have to agree with it. In fact, some heretics like me can teach it better than most. And have fun doing so!

 

[Ritajanice]

There is no unrighteousness "in Christ", and all the born again are "in Christ".

All the born again are become "The righteousness of God, in Christ"..

SALVATION< is God giving us His very Righteousness, as a "gift".

The Cross of Christ makes this possible for us all who BELIEVE and are born again.

Romans 5

King James Version

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5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[mailmandan]

1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

 

[Rapture Bound]

Thanks again. And oldy but a really favorite goody.

The gospel of being righteous all by our own faith alone, no matter how much unrighteousness we may do to try and disprove it.

It's like being stuck with something we don't want to do, just because we keep believing it. Sort of like Lot, who inherited his faith from Abraham, but not recieved from God. In my gospel it's called wretchedness seeking deliverance.

That can go two ways. Be delivered from the sinning, or the faith condemning any sinning. By my gospel I've made peace by way of the former, and by your gospel you've made peace by way of the latter.

Which of course is why our heretical gospels are as far apart from one another as is the east from the west.

And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Which one of us does this apply to? One or the other, or even both. God will judge our works in the end, and so we'll one day know for very very sure.


We actually agree here. We have some common ground after all. We just don't agree on having it while not doing it vs doing it while having it.

Afterall, I figure why let all that pent up internal righteousness go to waste? Right? I mean, it's fine covering something up on the inside and keeping all to our own little selves, but Jesus does speak of letting it shine outwardly and not hiding it in a napkin and burying it in hole we've dug for it.

There is, of course, as you may know, a Christian gospel that let's it come out in the open sometimes, while other times sticking it's head back in for a little more time of unrighteousness. Maybe that's your gospel too?

Wait, I'll try preaching it like they do, to see if it sounds more familiar to you. Let me see now. Ahem:

We are made all righteousness of God by Christ in us through faith alone! . But that does not necessarily mean we are all doing that righteousness all the time . For we are still all flawed saved sinners solely by grace , so that while we certainly don't enjoy sinning anymore , we certainly shall (sadly ) sin some more, at least from time to time. And so, since we can never say we are righteous by doing righteousness, then we can also haply never say, we cannot be unrighteous by doing unrighteousness! And so in conclusion fellow sinful Christians, we can gladly say we certainly we are all righteous, even when, (sadly ), we are doing unrighteousness.

How does that sound to you? Agree? Disagree? Although, in order to fit your bill of all prepaid debts today and tomorrow, then we'd have to tweak it a bit, and say instead: So that while we certainly don't enjoy sinning anymore, we certainly shall (sadly ) sin daily.

It's probably a little snarky, I know, but I think that just about hits the mark of sinfully saved Christianity. And all the emoticons are not just for appearances. Afterall, I believe they mean it when they celebrate their grace to sin without condemnation, amidst all that pulsating righteousness within their breasts, by the power of their very own faith alone.

Just because we can teach something, does not mean we have to agree with it. In fact, some heretics like me can teach it better than most. And have fun doing so!

So, Ghada, was your statement actually sincere when you said to Behold, "We actually agree here. We have some common ground after all". Why do I ask that question? ... because your following statement reveals that you don't actually believe that ... " We just don't agree on having it while not doing it vs doing it while having it." ---since that statement separates you two by miles [i.e. - your perspectives of Christ's imputed righteousness to the believer remains as far apart as the east is from the west].

In other words, was your ENTIRE message to Behold couched in sarcasm? ... resulting, in reality, with no actual agreement whatsoever with him. Please fill me in on this ... perhaps I'm a little slow here in my understanding of your message?

 

[Ghada]

I teach Pauline Theology.
Only.

No my Pauline. A heretic such as myself sees your's as Paulininny.

Jesus is our Righteousness.

Yes, I've heard this elsewhere. I'm afraid I must heretik against this one too. Sounds too much like whatever we do in Jesus' name must be Jesus' righteousness, because we're the ones doing it. We being the special ones on earth by our faith alone.

I prefer Jesus is made unto us righteousness, so that's what we do. We don't make ourselves righteousness, nor do we make Jesus be our righteousness.

All we have to do is believe it, as its a fact.

Perfect! I was getting a little worried about the steam already fading off, and you supply a perfect bingo! Great job! Once again, you just come on out and say what others only dare to think, and only hint at.

The Christian gospel of being what we believe, because we believe it!! Beautiful. I've offended other Christians by telling them that is what they are preaching, and here you are, supplying the perfect quote for it.

Ok! Class, how does it go? "All we have to do is believe it teacher!" That's right class. You each get a cookie. (Johnnie, I want to hear a little more enthusiasm in our anthem, ok? Yes, ma'am, I'll try. Good boy. You get two cookies.)

You've actually not stated what you say is "my gospel".
Try it anytime you like, and then we'll know what you are talking about.

Just go back to the first post. It has to do with being already forgiven forever and ever, whether on earth or in the grave.

In conjunction with your above post, then I'd conclude your Christian gospel is not about what we do, but only what we believe.

I've said as much as the gospel of being saved by our faith alone, but no Christian preaching it as dared say it, until you. Bravo.

I dont have "my gospel".
I only preach Paul's Gospel.

Your Paul, not mine. I own the gospel I preach and like Paul claim it as my gospel. I don't throw off what I preach on others, like some sort of disclaimer.

If it's not your gospel, then you're just playing around with words. But keep it up. I'm getting good copy from it.

"The Gospel of the Grace of God".

Good name.

I totally disagree with your version. Reject it.

Sin is dealt with on the Cross, 2000 yrs ago.

Then what's all the sinning goin' on out thar! (A little southern lingo)

Why dont you know this yet... @Ghada

As I've said, I've heard it all before in one way or another, but you're the one that puts it most refreshingly bluntly, without any hint of shame nor mitigation. I've rejected it before, and even more so now.

Thank you.

 

[Ghada]

Here is the Update.

2nd Corinthians 5:19

Well, if you're going to actually quote from the Bible, and not from your own doctrine, then we'll take a look and see what it says.

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The world was already reconciled to God? God does not impute trespasses unto the world anymore? The word of reconciliation is that the world is reconciled to God and not judged for sinning anymore?

That just sounds...off.

Why don't we do this in context:

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

There, that's better. Now, the former Scripture is only for all who have repented of sinning and believe the gospel from the heart unto the righteousness of God. Now by grace they have had all their past life thoroughly purged and cleansed in soul and life. They instantly become perfectly newborn babes of God as Jesus from the womb of Mary. All things are now holy, righteous, and of God. Nothing of the devil remains in them, anymore than the babe and child Jesus.

And here's some verses to confirm, that we not only can be all of God at once, by His perfect conversion of full repentance. We can also walk that way from that moment on.

As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

There. That not only sounds good to me, but feels great to say it and especially to do it.

 

[Ghada]

John 3:17

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

And so, the world is no more condemned, because God does ever come to condemn the world? Including the second time? He not only doesn't condemn the world with a flood anymore, but no more at all?

Because the man Jesus died on a cross several thousand years ago?

Now let's try context again:

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Oh, I see. Only those that believe on Jesus are not condemned by the Father. Ok. That culls things down a bit.

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Ah, things get even more fine tuned. Only those coming to the light doing the truth, are the uncondemned believers.

That's my kind of gospel. I like it, love it, and want more of it!

 

[Behold]

We being the special ones on earth by our faith alone.

God accepts faith in Christ , to then provide Salvation to the Believer.
There is no other way to be saved.

Here is the status of everyone who never believed in Christ.

John 3:36

I prefer Jesus is made unto us righteousness, so that's what we do. We don't make ourselves righteousness, nor do we make Jesus be our righteousness.

Sinners can't make themselves righteous.
Doing good deeds is not "doing righteousness", tho a lot of FAKE Pulpits teach that nonsense.

Let me show you something....

Lets say, that Adolf Hitler helped one Jew not burn in an oven, July 11 in 1944.

And Lets say that Billy Graham, kept a man from being sentenced to death, in 1983.

What is the Difference in their deeds?

A.) Nothing.

Deeds are not recognized by God as "making you righteous".

So, What is recognized as our righteousness?

Jesus, on the Cross.

Jesus is Salvation.
Jesus is Eternal Life
Jesus is Redemption
Jesus is The Resurrection

When you have Jesus in you, then you are born again, and you then have that list as your own.

The Christian gospel of being what we believe, because we believe it!! Beautiful. I've offended other Christians by telling them that is what they are preaching, and here you are, supplying the perfect quote for it.

Look at your own life, Ghada.

You are living the life you choose.
If you want a different one, then make that choice, as you get the life you choose.

Also, being born again, is not a thought process. Its a Spiritual Birth.
However, the mind in the born again person, will not "believe right" until they understand what to believe.
This has to be taught.
This is where the Teacher is the Spiritual Key, as a good teacher can take a new convert, and in 2 weeks have them on a "scholar level", regarding correct NT bible Doctrine.
Ive taught many..
My first student was a 50 yr old man, obo, name "Mike". He was backslidden for years, so, we ended that and got him a NT, and i taught him Pauline Theology for a while. He literally obsessed on the word, as a real student will do when a real teacher gets them focused and engaged with the word of God.
I have my students write their answers, vs, verbally giving them, as when you write you have to think before you do it., and in that, is where the Holy Spirit gives them revelation regarding the questions im asking. So, i Teach, but the HS reveals.
That's now a Teacher and the Holy Spirit work in union with a student.

Whereas... a bad Teacher, can take a new convert, and in 5 mins, ruin their faith, ruin their discipleship, and have them so far from Gospel Doctrinal Truth, that they'll probably never find their way back.
Why?
Because once a Dark Light has trained you wrong, then you can't hear a real teacher anymore, as you could have before the bad teacher created this disconnect in you.

Just go back to the first post. It has to do with being already forgiven forever and ever, whether on earth or in the grave.

Noone is in the Grave.

Everyone who died today, and is in Hell, wishes to God they were in the Grave.
But, they're not., and all of them now believe that Hell exists, and all of them now believe in Jesus.
Problem?
You can't be born again in Hell.

So, The Grave is for your body.
Eternity is for your spirit.

 

[Ghada]

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God accepts faith in Christ , to then provide Salvation to the Believer.

Your gospel of 'accept and provide' of course skips the first part of the Bible gospel: Repent ye.

God doesn't have to accept and provide for any lame faith without repenting of sinning first. Cain found that out.

There is no other way to be saved.

Not by your gospel, which abhors repentance unto salvation, and works unto justification.

I'm not interested in your own way to be saved.

Here is the status of everyone who never believed in Christ.

The same status of everyone who never believe unto doing righteousness in Christ.

Except for the Christian religion accompanying.

Doing good deeds is not "doing righteousness",

If still lusting from the heart. Those are filthy rags of our own righteousness to God.

And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Only those repented of sinning and purged thoroughly in heart and life are doing the righteousness of God by the deeds they now do through Christ Jesus.

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

What is the Difference in their deeds?
A.) Nothing.

Well. Gee. You couldn't have served up a better confession of spiritual blindness.

Your gospel has no concept of the difference between filthy good deeds of the unclean of heart without Christ (1 Cor 13:3), and the righteous good deeds of the pure heart with Christ. (Gal 2:20)

I mean, I wasn't even looking ahead to your next words, but only dealing with them as they come.

Like all natural men, you equate the evil and the good as the same, when doing a good deed.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Deeds are not recognized by God as "making you righteous".

Not to the natural man, that judges all outward deeds the same. But Jesus judges the heart first.

Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

You make the Pharisee and Jesus the same, being blind the righteous judgement of God that begins with the heart.

I now see the source of your rejectin of the Biuble, that only them doing rightouensess are righteous, even as He is righteous.

Being carnal minded and blind to the spiritual source of all works, you only judge the outward deed itself, and not the heart it proceeds from.

And since the same deed is judged the same, then deeds cannot make difference between being righteous or not. This is a new one to me, that I will remember. Thanks.

You see, I just don't know how to think carnally like you about works, because I'm fully immersed in God's spiritual word on the matter. I forget others teaching their own Christian doctrine are blind to such things.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

We see here how those doing good deeds are different based upon the purity or uncleanness of heart. Those that are righteous as He is righteous, begin with a pure heart and righteous spirit of Christ.

That of course is the difference between Billy Graham and Hitler, that you judge to be the same in their works.

So, What is recognized as our righteousness?

Jesus, on the Cross.

I didn't know you were with Jesus on His cross. That's quite a gospel you have there. I just don't read it in the Bible.

When you have Jesus in you, then you are born again, and you then have that list as your own.

Not if your list includes unrepented sinning.

Also, being born again, is not a thought process. Its a Spiritual Birth.

Not that of the right and clean Spirit of Christ, if sinning is the common denominator before, during, and afterward.

However, the mind in the born again person, will not "believe right" until they understand what to believe.
This has to be taught.
This is where the Teacher is the Spiritual Key, as a good teacher can take a new convert, and in 2 weeks have them on a "scholar level", regarding correct NT bible Doctrine.

Oh no. Your proselytization program. It doesn't take two weeks to tell a new Christian that they cannot repent of all sinning, but only some at a time. However they are already now forgiven of them all, and there is no no more judgement nor condemnation by our works. And if any person or spirit ever tries to convict you of your present and future sinning, as though you were condemned like others, then you just go right ahead and rebuke that devil.

It only takes about 15 seconds to write the crash course on searing the conscience.

Ive taught many..
My first student was a 50 yr old man, obo, name "Mike". He was backslidden for years, so, we ended that and got him a NT, and i taught him Pauline Theology for a while. He literally obsessed on the word, as a real student will do when a real teacher gets them focused and engaged with the word of God.

So, he's not sinning anymore. Good job.

I'm thinking not. I'm thinking instead you told him he was never really backslid in the first place. He'd been front sliding the whole time, but just knocking on himself unjustly for sinning again and again. His only backsliding was believing he we are judged by our works.

It just probably took a little time to convince him of it. And hey, if he wanted to believe it, then so be it.

Go ahead. You're all into your great teaching service. Which was it. You taught him Paul's spiritual warfare to endure temptation without sinning, or you taught him your warfare with the Spirit against being convicted and condemned for sinning?

Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

and in that, is where the Holy Spirit gives them revelation regarding the questions im asking. So, i Teach, but the HS reveals.

And he better very well reveal what you're looking for.

Whereas... a bad Teacher, can take a new convert, and in 5 mins, ruin their faith, ruin their discipleship, and have them so far from Gospel Doctrinal Truth, that they'll probably never find their way back.

As I said. A crash course in conscience searing, by the doctrine of all sins now forgiven past, present, and future. And no present sinning has any judgement of condemnation at all. !0 sec.

 

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Your gospel of 'accept and provide' of course skips the first part of the Bible gospel: Repent ye.

God doesn't have to accept and provide for any lame faith without repenting of sinning first. Cain found that out.

There was no Cross of Christ, and no "Gospel of the Grace of God", in the Garden of Eden.

Didn't you know ?
Also, Cain was not sent out because He didnt repent.... he was sent out because he brought His works to God, instead of Blood.
Abel brought Blood, and was accepted.
Cain was envious of Abel, because Abel's acceptance was not based on self effort, so He murdered Him.

Today, we see the people who are obsessed with works to try to be saved, and stay saved, can't stand the Teaching of the Grace of God as the Cross of Christ that is the only way to heaven.
These people have the heart of Cain.

As I said. A crash course in conscience searing, by the doctrine of all sins now forgiven past, present, and future. And no present sinning has any judgement of condemnation at all. !0 sec.

All sin is forgiven, by the Cross of Christ, or no one could be born again.
As you can't have sin, and be born again. It must ALL be forgiven, before God will give you the new Birth.
Once the Cross has redeemed us from our sin, this is continued, as the "New Covenant".

Now, regarding committing willful deeds of the flesh...

Well, the Law judges the unbeliever, and this judges the Born again...

1.) "you will reap what you sow"..

So, that is a reality check that is going to find you, if you are born again, and are willfully doing what you know is offensive to God.
You know what that is, as God deals with that, by CONVICTION, and so, if you resist this and do it anyway, then that is going to cause "sowing and reaping" to find you.
And if you decide to live in that place of carnal lifestyle, you'll have more issues then you can deal with, and once that starts, it will be a long ride before its over.

Dont be that one.