If everyone agreed, there wouldn't be much point to a forum - Agree, or disagree? - LOL

[Gottservant]

I like to tell myself, that if everyone "tithed", the problems of the poor would all disappear!

 

[St. SteVen]

I like to tell myself, that if everyone "tithed", the problems of the poor would all disappear!

We still have poor, so you must NOT be tithing. - LOL
(that's the place to start)

 

[MatthewG]

I like to tell myself, that if everyone "tithed", the problems of the poor would all disappear!

You remind me of what Jesus said.


anyone can do good the poor anytime; the thing is (no one should boast about it.) i see so many people post “doing good to the poor videos” that will be the reward they only ever get.

Reminds me also of what Paul said, if i give all everything to the poor And have not love, i am nothing.

 

[Gottservant]

You remind me of what Jesus said.

That's right, we will always have the poor - but they will not always need to suffer.

 

[St. SteVen]

That's right, we will always have the poor - but they will not always need to suffer.

If they aren't suffering, are they still poor? - LOL

 

[MatthewG]

That's right, we will always have the poor - but they will not always need to suffer.

What about people who suffer for Christ?



It seems to me the whole world groans… and suffers … all people suffer in some way shape or form; does this exclude sharing in Christ sufferings?

Is that appealing to you when you read it, as a general question?

 

[Gottservant]

If they aren't suffering, are they still poor? - LOL

Put it this way: the poor don't need the possessions of the rich, when all they are is hungry and thirsty!

 

[Gottservant]

What about people who suffer for Christ?

seems to me the whole world groans… and suffers … all people suffer in some way shape or form; does this exclude sharing in Christ sufferings?

Is that appealing to you when you read it, as a general question?

There is a sense, in which dealing with the suffering of others, cannot be achieved without first committing to the sufferings of Christ - that is true!

 

[MatthewG]

There is a sense, in which dealing with the suffering of others, cannot be achieved without first committing to the sufferings of Christ - that is true!

That reminds me of how the spirit allows one who abides in christ to have “longsuffering”, and reminds me also of “bearing others burdens”, only possible by suffering for christ. Good job! Praise be to Yahava/Yahweh and the Lord Yeshua. :)

 

[Mikey-for-sure]

"Agree, or disagree?"
That really is the question.

If everyone agreed, there wouldn't be much point to a forum -
But, can we embrace disagreement? (and each other?)

How do you react when you encounter disagreement?

If I disagree with you, was it meant to be a declaration of war? (nope)
Now, it may depend on HOW we respond to one another.
Did I declare war with my reply, or just state my position?

Agreeable, or disagreeable?
That REALLY is the question.

Convo between Michael and the dragon
paraphrased

Revelation 12
7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

M - Are you God?
D - Of course. I am God. I can separate the earth from the sea yadda yadda. I think I will do it some later date when I feel it the inspiration of creation overtake me
M - <eye roll> Are you stupid or just blasphemous?
D - You calling me stupid? er,I mean, blasphemous!
M- Ok Ok. Maybe it is the english translation. In english, are you as God would like you to be? Do you walk the walk, talk the talk?
D - How dare you? Are we not spirit? Isn't God Spirit. Then we are God in substance!
M - huh? Are you that stupid? Can't reason with you. May God rebuke you
D - We are gods!
D - hey quit pushing!
As 7 burly angels forcibly escort D screams Let's hear it my mateys!
A roar from the crowd, "we love you big D" "you rock" "love your tail" <rhubarb> <rhubarb>
the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots
In turn the 7 angels pushed the dragon crowd over the cliff from heaven
there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour
Then a small voice whispered in the heavenly host, Whew I think it is over!
A voice boomed in response, No, not yet. Go.
3 angels alighted and sung the chorus "Obey" "Obey" "Obey"

 

[ChristisGod]

What about people who suffer for Christ?

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It seems to me the whole world groans… and suffers … all people suffer in some way shape or form; does this exclude sharing in Christ sufferings?

Is that appealing to you when you read it, as a general question?

We in the U.S. have no clue what it means to suffer and be persecuted for Christ.

 

[St. SteVen]

Convo between Michael and the dragon
paraphrased

Curious response.

 

[Mikey-for-sure]

Curious response.

As they say just keeping it real. :)

 

[MatthewG]

We in the U.S. have no clue what it means to suffer and be persecuted for Christ.

This is whT it means to suffer for Christ.

It a cost of self denial, dying to the self, and rising and living for Christ despite all your own issues.

That is suffering for the cause of Christ.

 

[ChristisGod]

This is whT it means to suffer for Christ.

It a cost of self denial, dying to the self, and rising and living for Christ despite all your own issues.

That is suffering for the cause of Christ.

no that is the cost of being a disciple, not suffering.

 

[MatthewG]

no that is the cost of being a disciple, not suffering.

We will have to disagree.




2 Timothy 2:11
Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him;

Dying to oneself will, is suffering…

To die with christ to put away the old once lived life, and rise to newness of life for the cause of Christ is suffering.

If you only see suffering as being poor or being in prison i dont think you understand what suffering is… for ones self to deny their own will.

Not to strike back when someone strikes back at you, not to gossip when other people are gossiping, when someone ask you for something instead of denying you give….

Suffering… to deny yourself and let Christ come through, but joy thats inexpressible knwoing you are picking up your cross dying to your self, and allowing Gods will to he done.

God sees that…


Its not about getting “persecuteed or killed”

Though you could lose your life if someone hated you bad enough or there could be some type of “perscution (ill-treatment)” might be behind your back and you never know.

if you dont see suffering as a christian viable, for you @ChristisGod, that is fine. I definitely do disagree adrently.

 

[ChristisGod]

We will have to disagree.

2 Timothy 2:11
Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him;

Dying to oneself will, is suffering…

To die with christ to put away the old once lived life, and rise to newness of life for the cause of Christ is suffering.

If you only see suffering as being poor or being in prison i dont think you understand what suffering is… for ones self to deny their own will.

Not to strike back when someone strikes back at you, not to gossip when other people are gossiping, when someone ask you for something instead of denying you give….

Suffering… to deny yourself and let Christ come through, but joy thats inexpressible knwoing you are picking up your cross dying to your self, and allowing Gods will to he done.

God sees that…

Its not about getting “persecuteed or killed”

Though you could lose your life if someone hated you bad enough or there could be some type of “perscution” might be behind your back and you never know.

there is no suffering in denying the flesh, thats called obedience not suffering.

 

[MatthewG]

@ChristisGod i disagree with you. Thank you for expressing your view. I dont personally have to beliwve your way is correct, hope you understand. Ill teach suffering despite if people think they need to or not.

We will have to disagree.



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2 Timothy 2:11
Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him;

Dying to oneself will, is suffering…

To die with christ to put away the old once lived life, and rise to newness of life for the cause of Christ is suffering.

If you only see suffering as being poor or being in prison i dont think you understand what suffering is… for ones self to deny their own will.

Not to strike back when someone strikes back at you, not to gossip when other people are gossiping, when someone ask you for something instead of denying you give….

Suffering… to deny yourself and let Christ come through, but joy thats inexpressible knwoing you are picking up your cross dying to your self, and allowing Gods will to he done.

God sees that…
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Its not about getting “persecuteed or killed”

Though you could lose your life if someone hated you bad enough or there could be some type of “perscution (ill-treatment)” might be behind your back and you never know.

if you dont see suffering as a christian viable, for you @ChristisGod, that is fine. I definitely do disagree adrently.

 

[Bob Estey]

"Agree, or disagree?"
That really is the question.

If everyone agreed, there wouldn't be much point to a forum -
But, can we embrace disagreement? (and each other?)

How do you react when you encounter disagreement?

If I disagree with you, was it meant to be a declaration of war? (nope)
Now, it may depend on HOW we respond to one another.
Did I declare war with my reply, or just state my position?

Agreeable, or disagreeable?
That REALLY is the question.

And so it is good that we are allowed to express beliefs, even if they are not mainstream, right?

 

[Episkopos]

I fellowship with the Baptists, the Lutherans, the Pentecosts, the Catholics, the Glad Tidings Assembly of God, the Moravian Church and nearly a dozen non-denominational churches and I have had Mormon and Jewish friends from the time I was a kid. So as being tolerant to other beliefs I am more tolerant than most any I know. But I do not subscribe to any one denomination, I am a Christian theologian. I do not expect the theology of any denomination or church to be near perfect nor the people to be perfect.

I fellowship with churches that have moral beliefs and worship God enthusiastically and are friendly and encouraging to one another. But I do draw a line and that line can be to oppose false beliefs that are harmful….some are just wrong and I do not mind explaining they are wrong. But then some beliefs will lead them to Hell….I could just pat them on the back and let them go on their way to Hell….some would call that being nice and I do believe in religious freedom. But as they are being judged to Hell they might wonder why no one warned them.

Then you have beliefs that will not only lead them to Hell but if others believe what they say, large groups of people that believe in Christ could be destined for Hell. You have people here on this forum that deny the deity of Christ and conveniently deny the existence of Hell. If I was going to preach that Christ was just a nice guy, I would hope that there was no Hell!

Some preach that we are all robots under the control of God and all of reality is a pre-orchestrated play which alone would just be wrong but imbedded in that, functionally is the belief of OSAS. OSAS is a plan to fail that leads people to Hell.

As a stand alone belief, OSAS is unique in that it is popular with those that do not go to church. LOL I think they know that most Christians would reject that belief. Just as a funny if any one can produce a church that would put Once Saved Always Saved on their sign out front I would like to see it.

To some degree OSAS is like a can of worms ya really cannot nail it down or like a dragon with several heads. Some of them would say a child molester or a murderer that believes in Christ will still go to Heaven, even if he died right after his last victim. Heaven full of evil! WOW…. or some OSAS believers would say if they continued to be immoral after accepting Christ, they really were not saved to begin with. Either way it can lead people to Hell. So do we pat them on back and send them on their way to lead others to Hell?

When I am addressing people I am not expecting to change their minds, I am more concerned with those that read the conversation or debate to give them the opportunity to see right and wrong. And as religious debates go when you oppose someone’s beliefs they tend to get insultive and some become unrelenting on the rudeness. People don't like when you tell them if you keep doing that you are probably going to Hell. And like they say, Truth is the new hate language.

How much does coping have to do with it? We are to have no part with blasphemers and liars, and teachers of lies.

The church is not meant to the pillar of A truth..but THE truth. The standard is SOOOOO low right now, that a person might have to think there is no truth possible so as to get along with others who believe that very same thing.