Israeli attack on civilians should be condemned by all believers

[dad]

Well that's a big + for you.

Thanks. We can't disagree on everything!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The Prodigal son was not cast off. He did have to go through tough times though to learn lessons and bring him to repentance. Whom God loves He chastens.

Yes I do. That does not mean He chooses for you though. Like leading a horse to water. You can't make them drink. He gives all the opportunity to accept and believe in Him. He knows the heart of man, even before we do. Even before we are born!

You made that up entirely. Why would I hate people who will later choose Jesus??

You made that up too.

That does not mean His hand and help is not extended to all. It just means that all will not accept it. If any of the wocked did accept it, then they could say the same thing, that He had helped them through life as well.

Right that applies to all! But not all accept. He died to draw us to Him.

Show a quote where I cursed someone?

That depends! If you mean today, He might help them! (because of their great sin of killing and starving the innocents) If you mean in the end when they get saved, then He will destroy all their enemies.

Yes and that plan was to let Israel go through the wrath of God so that they would one day finally say uncle. The plan was never to aid and bless extreme evil and sin and rebellion!

The right side is His side and He is on the side of the innocents and widows and children and poor etc. He is with those that choose to accept Jesus.

His wrath apparently seems to be against the Hamas right now and the Palestinians, Houthis, Hezbollah. Soon it will on Iran and whoever else comes against Israel.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Wrong premise. IDF willfully turned a blind eye ...and allowed Hamas to massacre their (Israel's) own people. They sacrificed their own in order to justify a war.

And your hard evidence for this is?????????????????

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Sorry, the news is so full of horror accounts it is not worth debating. example: ‘Massacre’: Israel forces attack crowds waiting for aid in Gaza, killing 21
The issue on this thread is how anyone calling themselves christian could defend the Israeli terror.

Seems you are satisfied being passive about the decades long Palestinian terror. Please cite me one war where civilians were not killed in large numbers.

No. Because Israeli stops the aid trucks.

Mostly because they could not inspect them. More arms and weapons of death given to Hamas have arrived in Gaza in "aid" trucks. Makes you a little leery. Especially when UNRWA is aiding and abetting Hamas.

Ever heard of God? If a whole nation actually were His sheep, do you think He would allow the devil to kill them like that? Also, if a nation had a concience why would they not seek to kill the actual terrorists coming in, rather than regular people?

So tell me, how do you kill terrorists who do not wear uniforms, mingle with people, use schools, hospitals and houses to hide caches of weapons without harming civilians also, who for the most part support Hamas killing Jews??

Ever heard of God? If a whole nation actually were His sheep, do you think He would allow the devil to kill them like that? Also, if a nation had a concience why would they not seek to kill the actual terrorists coming in, rather than regular people?

Well lets see. Since Israel became gods covenanted people and the church was born, God has allowed the devil to kill untold millions of Gods people, so you already know the answer to that statement.

I ask myself whether existing in the land of Israel is worth mass murdering and starving tens of thousands of women and children or not. That is not an option as far as anyone with any love of God and human dignity is concerned. That is an option of demons.

So you would prefer the Jews to give up the land God gave them as an eternal inheritance just so the Muslims who hate them would not attack them anymore and they would not have to defend themselves? How did that work in Russia? Germany? Europe? America? etc.

Not even a joke claim, that. People obeying those terror leaflets were mowed down as we all know.

As many as by Hamas as by Israel. But I would like to see your evidence to support this claim.

Go home and pack and move? If you can't get along with neighbors and treat them right and defend against actual criminals (rather than attack populations) then I have zero sympathy. Everyone has a right to be there! Not just some who steal it.

Well who stole what here? YOu seem to conveniently forget that when Israel was once again declared a sovereign nation, they reached out to live in peace with their Muslim neighbors! In return they were attacked on three sides by five arab armies outnumbering the Israeli population 20-1.

Israel was willing to give Arafat everything except East Jerusalem as a capitol and the Palestine right of return, Arqafat walked out and declared "INTIFADA".

How many Jews strap bombs to themselves, go into Gaza and blow themselves up?

How many times do Jews indiscriminately launch rockets into Gaza? How many car bombs have Jews blown up in Gaza? How many tunnels have Jews built to go into Gaza and randomly kill and kidnap people?

My God is Jesus. Not Satan. Israel as an unbelieving nation has zero rights from God to that land until they accept Jesus. No more than any other person there. God's promises of restoration hinge upon and come only after belief.

Show me that in Scripture please! God gave to Abraham a pone sided covenant giving Israel the land for perpetual generations. Their ability to enjoy the land is to have faith in God and Jesus, but the land is theirs and 1948 was the start of prophecy being fulfilled that God would send Jews back to their land to pass them under the rod of His judgment.

We can say this is NOT the way. Unless there is a way, they why even be there? The old saying probably somewhat applies 'fit in, or... (censored) off'

So here is you rchance! Instead of pissing against the wind and whining and moaning and complaining about how Israel is doing it, given all the facts since 1948- how would you do it?

You seem long winded enough to voice your condemnations, but haven't offered one solution yet!

 

[dad]

His wrath apparently seems to be against the Hamas right now and the Palestinians, Houthis, Hezbollah. Soon it will on Iran and whoever else comes against Israel.

When His wrath comes people will not wonder if it is here or not.

 

[dad]

Seems you are satisfied being passive about the decades long Palestinian terror.

Each side calls the activities of the other side terror.

Please cite me one war where civilians were not killed in large numbers.

Targeting them and calling them legitimate targets is another matter.

Mostly because they could not inspect them.

Oh? I doubt that

More arms and weapons of death given to Hamas have arrived in Gaza in "aid" trucks. Makes you a little leery. Especially when UNRWA is aiding and abetting Hamas.

Prove it

So tell me, how do you kill terrorists who do not wear uniforms, mingle with people, use schools, hospitals and houses to hide caches of weapons without harming civilians also, who for the most part support Hamas killing Jews??

You don't. Either separate them or go home

Well lets see. Since Israel became gods covenanted people and the church was born, God has allowed the devil to kill untold millions of Gods people, so you already know the answer to that statement.

The only people who are His people are those that accept Jesus. The Jews will do that in the end and again be His people. Right now it is just in name.

So you would prefer the Jews to give up the land God gave them as an eternal inheritance just so the Muslims who hate them would not attack them anymore and they would not have to defend themselves? How did that work in Russia? Germany? Europe? America? etc.

He did not give it to them. That only happens AFTER they accept Jesus. He told us they would be there before that, but that does not mean He brought them there or that they are there in a capacity of being His people.

As many as by Hamas as by Israel. But I would like to see your evidence to support this claim.

Rafah is being attacked, no? That was where they were told to flee, no? Convoys fleeing were attacked while fleeing as told, no? etc etc etc

Well who stole what here? YOu seem to conveniently forget that when Israel was once again declared a sovereign nation, they reached out to live in peace with their Muslim neighbors! In return they were attacked on three sides by five arab armies outnumbering the Israeli population 20-1.

I guess if neighbors fight you, you may not have reached out quite like you should have. It could be you are in the wrong neighborhood as well I guess.

Israel was willing to give Arafat everything except East Jerusalem as a capitol and the Palestine right of return, Arqafat walked out and declared "INTIFADA".

So as I said, the reaching was not enough for the heat in that neighborhood.

How many Jews strap bombs to themselves, go into Gaza and blow themselves up?

They send the bombs by themselves. Smart.

How many times do Jews indiscriminately launch rockets into Gaza?

Every hour?

How many car bombs have Jews blown up in Gaza?

Flying ones?

How many tunnels have Jews built to go into Gaza and randomly kill and kidnap people?

Why tunnel under a prison camp you built? The warden is not usually the one doing the tunneling.

Show me that in Scripture please!

He evicted them for disobedience more than once. The next scheduled time they will be restored by God there is after accepting Jesus. Show me where He gives it to them before?

God gave to Abraham a pone sided covenant giving Israel the land for perpetual generations.

Not unconditionally. He chased them out, remember? They lost rights temporarily in the captivity.

Their ability to enjoy the land is to have faith in God and Jesus, but the land is theirs

No way. It is no more theirs than mine or yours or Gaza's. Not until God restores them after they believe.

and 1948 was the start of prophecy being fulfilled that God would send Jews back to their land to pass them under the rod of His judgment.

Nope. That was when they hired a moving truck and moved back on their own, just as prophesy tells us they would be there.

So here is you rchance! Instead of pissing against the wind and whining and moaning and complaining about how Israel is doing it, given all the facts since 1948- how would you do it?

You seem long winded enough to voice your condemnations, but haven't offered one solution yet!

The solution is believe in Jesus. Until then, the solution does not exist. There could have been fixes that might have worked somewhat temporarily, but I think that ship has sailed.
Basically the solution is that they admit there is no solution except Jesus!

 

[Jack]

God has always been the God of Israel, even LONG after they forsook Him.

Luke 1:68
68 "Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

Ezekiel 11:17-20
17 Therefore say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "I will gather you from the peoples, assemble you from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel." '

And He did. And Israel is home to stay even if all the world attacks Israel.

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

 

[TLHKAJ]

We shall see. I would think that they will only be there to stay after God brings them back and protects and restores them AFTER they accept Jesus in the end. A lot can happen before that.

The illuminati Rothschild family and others who were involved with creating the nation of Israel we see today ....they know the scriptures, and they actually move and manipulate things to mimic prophecy. And then they can get Christians to support every evil thing they do. When I was a baby Christian, age 13, I was led to believe that Israel/Jews were all saved no matter what ...even if they didn't accept Jesus as their Savior. This is the propaganda pushed by the elite cult's infiltration into seminaries and churches.

 

[Carl Emerson]

My position is the same as the early Christians.…we live in the world because we have no choice, but Jesus told us to be no part of it. To me that means whatever the world does has nothing to do with me. I will not join the military or shed blood for any government because Jesus told us to love our enemies….

The police and the soldiers are not much different from my perspective, both play a role that God has put in place, as I said, they serve a purpose, albeit imperfectly. Corruption is rife in both.
I would never carry a weapon or use one on another human being for purely political reasons.
In my view, a Christian will “take” a bullet for his fellow man but he will never “fire” one.

It means a separation from all that this world promotes….. it’s political squabbles that may lead to war…it’s immoral lifestyle…it’s foul language…..it’s greedy commercial system….or it’s false worship….we are not to participate in any of it.

At no time are we to give the devil an opportunity to divide us over such things as who the next President should be….if we vote them into office, then we must accept responsibility for what they do once in power…..who has ever not been disappointed in a political leader? They promise the world and deliver very little…such is any human system of government….they fail time and again because of who is supporting and influencing them. (1 John 5:19)

As Jesus said… “you will always have the poor with you“, so how we treat our fellow man must reflect how Jesus treated others too. He was kind and compassionate on a personal level, but he did not instigate charities, but concentrated on people’s spiritual needs rather than just their physical needs. So our focus is on the spiritual needs first, and if there are physical needs we render these on a personal basis….like the Good Samaritan.

Neutrality means not taking sides, like we see in political campaigns…..Christians can get pretty hot under the collar over political differences….but true Christians are no part of that kind of divisiveness. Their neutrality protects them from seeing their brothers and sisters in a negative way just because they support the “other” party. The devil then has a wedge. We don’t need to give him more…he has enough already.

Our position is being in the world but not being part of its goals or politics or conflicts.
Just imitate Christ…that’s it.

So countries should not engage in defending themselves ?

 

[TLHKAJ]

And your hard evidence for this is?????????????????

Israeli citizen and military testimony ....I didn't save the videos, but different ones have spoken out that even a cockroach couldn't breach the border without the IDF knowing, and there is no way Hamas snuck across and killed all those people without deliberate oversight.

 

[Jack]

I'm glad I'm not speaking against Israel!

Genesis 12:3
3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you;

 

[TLHKAJ]

I'm glad I'm not speaking against Israel!

Genesis 12:3
3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you;

Speaking the truth does not equate cursing. How do you bless your enemies? ...by praying for them. That is what we are instructed to do. Pray for the PEACE of Jerusalem. They will not have peace without Jesus Christ.

 

[TLHKAJ]

 

[Jack]

Speaking the truth does not equate cursing. How do you bless your enemies? ...by praying for them. That is what we are instructed to do. Pray for the PEACE of Jerusalem. They will not have peace without Jesus Christ.

If you speak against Israel you're on dangerous ground. How do you know Satan isn't feeding you BS to get you to curse Israel? VERY dangerous! Give Israel the benefit of the doubt. Jesus is the God of Israel.

 

[APAK]

Oh, please, don't talk about self defense as if it were genocide!! Is it that you believe in genocide against Israel, that you want them to stand down, and just allow terrorists to re-establish themselves for their next attack? Do you want that next attack to succeed? Is that why you want them to not defend themselves?

Much love!

marks, the constant citation and use of this humdrum chant or chorus line of 'their right' to 'defend themselves' is so worn-out and never had any teeth to it at all. It was always a deceptive propaganda tool of the Zionists and the Western Neocons that always worked on the gullible. It was and is still a bold-faced lie. You should examine carefully who actually pays for and establishes or re-establishes these so-called terrorists. And its not the Iranians either as the common Joe standard answer.

 

[APAK]

I believe Israel will win this war like they've won every other, and will continue to do so, specifically because God's hand is upon them.

Much love!

It's not a 'war.' Ask me why it's not and I will tell you...if you really want to know some truth...

 

[TLHKAJ]

If you speak against Israel you're on dangerous ground. How do you know Satan isn't feeding you BS to get you to curse Israel? VERY dangerous! Give Israel the benefit of the doubt. Jesus is the God of Israel.

They reject Jesus and call Him a bastard. They laugh and say they're glad the Jews killed Him and they would do it too, over and over, if they could. He is not their God.

Matthew 10:32-33
[32]Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
[33]But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

That's what they preached to the members of the cult church I was in (with my husband). "Touch not Mine anointed and do My prophets no harm!" So everyone was afraid that God would strike them dead if they "spoke against" the man. So never call out their evil deeds ...because he's God's chosen vessel and God protects him and ordains everything he does. This is a very gross misapplication of God's Word!!!

 

[TLHKAJ]

If you speak against Israel you're on dangerous ground. How do you know Satan isn't feeding you BS to get you to curse Israel? VERY dangerous! Give Israel the benefit of the doubt. Jesus is the God of Israel.

There are Jews ....and there is the synagogue of satan who say they are Jews, but are not. If you want to condemn someone to hell for that, first look at the words of Jesus!!

Revelation 2:9
[9]I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9
[9]Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

[TLHKAJ]

@Jack Watch this and tell me God ordains and protects such things. Are those people serving the one true God? Does God protect child sexual abusers and murderers? Does He ordain sodomy?

I don't condone killing on either side ....but there's a lot more to this conflict than people realize.

 

[Lizbeth]

Those believers who support Israel morally in the killing of children, women and civilians as well as the forced relocations, starvation, attacking health workers and etc have no bible support for their choice. (and share the blame for the murders) There is no doubt that God hates it and that justice must come as a result. Are there still any Jack Hibb/Amir Tsarfarti/Tom Hughes types out there that care to defend it?
(And please, don't talk about the genocide as if it were self defense)

It's interesting that there is no outcry at all against Hamas for hiding amongst their own civilians, and even forcing them at gunpoint not to leave.......and there is no demand by the UN for Egypt and Jordan to take in Palestinian (fellow Arabs and Muslims) refugees. Yet there is always an outcry against Israel for every perceived shortfall.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see anyone suffering, and I'm happy to see private charities providing relief, however it seems curious to me that our western governments are tripping over themselves to try and help people who are enemies of the west....who celebrated in the streets on 9-11 and celebrate any time there's a terrorist attack against the west or Israel.....using the hard earned tax dollars of western citizens....? What's going on with that? It seems so strange. Scratching my head here.