Israeli attack on civilians should be condemned by all believers

[Reggie Belafonte]

True Israel is a person who is truly born again !

The State that the world called Israel is not Israel in fact !

Even the most learned devout Jews in The State of Israel, in fact do not claim that it is Israel, but they hope for the day that it will truly become Israel !

Now answer me this, One who serves God is Israel, this is a fact ! is it not ! it was that in the OT !
But Christ Jesus has come in fact and the fact is, That no one can come to the Father but through his only begotten Son ! That's a fact ! and anyone who rejects that fact is an out right Anti-Christ in fact and has not God in them at all in fact !

I support the worthy Jews who look to Holy Moses, for they have hope ! but the so called Zionist are not worthy of the Title Zion at all in fact. For they are of this world and Mans works who idolise the Talmud ! pure Evil ! even worse than Islam ! Islam was only a creation of the Talmud as was Communism and Nazis who were all cut from the same cloth in fact, study the Talmud and you will be convinced that it's the Talmud that all such insanity is derived from in fact ! I nearly jumped out of my skin when i read the Talmud, as it all came into place who created such evil like Islam and Communism and Nazi, all cunning filth that must be exposed for what it truly is !
I have real Hitlers Book, but reading the Talmud that was the most putrid totally Evil, their is nothing more evil ! it's so evil that i can not think of anything that is worse ! outright Racial prejudice to the extreme. one would have to be a total moron to swallow such a creep show !

The Talmud should be called out for what it truly is, from the roof tops !
Same with Islam !
Same with Communism !
Same with Socialism !
Same with Nazism !
But they are not truly exposed at all, most of such is only indoctrination, it's like one knows what is a car ! but they know bugger all about the in depths workings of the whole car, how it's made and all ! So they will not recognise an issue that can go wrong ? and pay the price dearly ! Like blowing up the engine !

 

[TLHKAJ]

I guess there is a difference between being a people that was chosen by God, and being His people

Yes, and I failed to clarify my statement. I was led to believe that since they were God's chosen people, they were automatically saved even though they rejected Jesus Christ as their Messiah.

 

[dad]

Yes, and I failed to clarify my statement. I was led to believe that since they were God's chosen people, they were automatically saved even though they rejected Jesus Christ as their Messiah.

Right, that is pretty extreme and it raises the question of why Jesus died if He is not actually needed.

 

[Aunty Jane]

So countries should not engage in defending themselves ?

Again, apparently, you misunderstand…how can you even ask that question after what I posted as our position of political neutrality…..we support the Kingdom of God, not any political kingdom.

Christians are to be “no part of the world”, as Jesus was “no part of the world”(John 17:16) We take our example from him. He could have summoned an angelic army to blast the Romans off the face of the earth for oppressing his people and taking their land…..but he never said a word against the Roman government. That means we have no citizenship in any kingdom that rivals our citizenship in God’s Kingdom, which Jesus said is “no part of this world”. (John 18:36)

The world will do what the world will do….it has nothing to do with us. We are simply told to obey the superior authorities except when they tell us to do what God forbids…or to forbid what God commands…..and he forbids the taking of human life. Jesus said that ‘those who take up the sword will perish by the sword’…..our weapons are not carnal…they are spiritual. (2 Cor 10:3-5) If Jesus told us to love our enemies (Matt 5:43-44) how does that give us license to do them harm…or worse to take their life? Would you kill someone because your government told you to……when Christ told you not to?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Again, apparently, you misunderstand…how can you even ask that question after what I posted as our position of political neutrality…..we support the Kingdom of God, not any political kingdom.

Christians are to be “no part of the world”, as Jesus was “no part of the world”(John 17:16) We take our example from him. He could have summoned an angelic army to blast the Romans off the face of the earth for oppressing his people and taking their land…..but he never said a word against the Roman government. That means we have no citizenship in any kingdom that rivals our citizenship in God’s Kingdom, which Jesus said is “no part of this world”. (John 18:36)

The world will do what the world will do….it has nothing to do with us. We are simply told to obey the superior authorities except when they tell us to do what God forbids…or to forbid what God commands…..and he forbids the taking of human life. Jesus said that ‘those who take up the sword will perish by the sword’…..our weapons are not carnal…they are spiritual. (2 Cor 10:3-5) If Jesus told us to love our enemies (Matt 5:43-44) how does that give us license to do them harm…or worse to take their life? Would you kill someone because your government told you to……when Christ told you not to?

You seemed to not understand my question.

You said... "The police and the soldiers are not much different from my perspective, both play a role that God has put in place, as I said, they serve a purpose, albeit imperfectly.

So if I understand you correctly, soldiers play a role in God's purpose.

If this is the case - does that purpose extend to defence of borders?

 

[JBO]

Those believers who support Israel morally in the killing of children, women and civilians as well as the forced relocations, starvation, attacking health workers and etc have no bible support for their choice. (and share the blame for the murders) There is no doubt that God hates it and that justice must come as a result. Are there still any Jack Hibb/Amir Tsarfarti/Tom Hughes types out there that care to defend it?
(And please, don't talk about the genocide as if it were self defense)

And if you were in charge of the fighting in WWII we would all be speaking German and serving Das Fuhrer. Or perhaps speaking Japanese and bowing to the Emperor of Japan.

Wars are not won by fighting in only a defensive posture. That is the problem with the US strategy on the Ukraine/Russia war and on the Israel/Iran war. That position by the US is a losing position, PERIOD. Neither of those wars can be won with that US strategy. The only thing that comes of that strategy as far as the US is concerned is to spend the US into total economic collapse; there is no end to how much we can and will spend with that strategy. And in the end both Ukraine and Israel will be lost. But then that seems to be the main objective of the Biden war machine.

 

[Jay Ross]

Perhaps it is time to close any more discussion on the thread's topic. It is too divisive for a Christian forum.

 

[Jack]

I saw this somewhere: God Bless Israel!

 

[dad]

And if you were in charge of the fighting in WWII we would all be speaking German and serving Das Fuhrer. Or perhaps speaking Japanese and bowing to the Emperor of Japan.

So because there was a big war in the past, you think this justifies starving children to death and bombing their homes and schools and city. You think that somehow excuses a wanton slaughter of tens of thousands of women and children. Opinion noted. I would think that if any parallels to WW2 were to be drawn it would be the inhumane and monstrous treatment of prisoners.

Wars are not won by fighting in only a defensive posture.

Nor by targeting children.

That is the problem with the US strategy on the Ukraine/Russia war and on the Israel/Iran war. That position by the US is a losing position, PERIOD. Neither of those wars can be won with that US strategy.

So what? The US is a partner in crime with Israel in the terrorism in Israel.

The only thing that comes of that strategy as far as the US is concerned is to spend the US into total economic collapse; there is no end to how much we can and will spend with that strategy. And in the end both Ukraine and Israel will be lost. But then that seems to be the main objective of the Biden war machine.

Now you try to excuse the mass murders by hiding under Biden's skirt. Pathetic

 

[dad]

Perhaps it is time to close any more discussion on the thread's topic. It is too divisive for a Christian forum.

Truth has no place in a discussion?

 

[Mr E]

Perhaps it is time to close any more discussion on the thread's topic. It is too divisive for a Christian forum.

Maybe it's just time for you to exit the conversation.

 

[Mr E]

Truth has no place in a discussion?

The Biden humanitarian aid plan is laughable.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Each side calls the activities of the other side terror.

But you refuse to call what the Palestinians have done for over 70 years terror. Just Israel.

Targeting them and calling them legitimate targets is another matter.

So were you against God calling Israel to destroy every man woman and child in the lands they went to war with? But according to the 148 nations that signed onto the the UN treaty, what Hamas has done has made them legitimate targets. But you still haven't offerred any kind of solution for Israel to destroy Hamas.

Oh? I doubt that

Doubt all you want. but history says you are wrong.

Prove it

Google is your friend. Where do you think Hamas gets all their weapons? The gun fairy?

You don't. Either separate them or go home

So go home and let them conitnue to kill your innocent civilians. I am overjoyed you are not in political leadership. Your people would dump you in a heartbeat.

Rafah is being attacked, no? That was where they were told to flee, no? Convoys fleeing were attacked while fleeing as told, no? etc etc etc

Proof convoys of aid were attacked? And yes Hamas amassed their butchers in Rafah! But you would prefer to have Gaza left untouched and Hamas bomb Israel without retribution.

I guess if neighbors fight you, you may not have reached out quite like you should have. It could be you are in the wrong neighborhood as well I guess.

So your solution is to pack up and leave your land. Okay then. YOu tell all here where jews can go where they won't be persecuted. Why should they give upi their land God gave them because some Muslims have declared genocide against them?

They send the bombs by themselves. Smart.

Yes we know you would prefer Hamas to launch rockets and Israel to just sit there and let the rockets fall where they may and do nothing. Oh wait- yopu want them to do something- you want them to leave their own homeland and go live where????

Every hour?

Wrong again but thanks for playing. Israel uses smart munitions as compared to Hamas.

Flying ones?

Flying cars? really? Kind of funny but history has proven, when people leave Israel alone, they leave them alone. Egypt and Jordan have signed peace agreements with Israel and Israel does not bomb them. What magic do you think Egypt and Jordan have discovered that Syria, Iran, Lebanon and Gaza and the West Bank are too stupid to figure out??????????

So as I said, the reaching was not enough for the heat in that neighborhood.

So your solution is let the haters continue in their hate and force those who sought peace to leave their own homeland. WOW!

Why tunnel under a prison camp you built? The warden is not usually the one doing the tunneling.

So now you do not want Israel to imprison those who try to kill their civilians. How Muslimly antisemitic of you.

He evicted them for disobedience more than once. The next scheduled time they will be restored by God there is after accepting Jesus. Show me where He gives it to them before?

Gen 26

3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;

Gen. 28

13 And, behold, the Lord stood above it, and said, I am the Lord God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;

Isaiah chapter 14​

English Standard Version

1For the LORD will have compassion on Jacob and will again choose Israel, and will set them in their own land, and sojourners will join them and will attach themselves to the house of Jacob. 2And the peoples will take them and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them in the LORD’s land as male and female slaves. They will take captive those who were their captors, and rule over those who oppressed them.

Genesis 13:14-16

King James Version

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14 And the Lord said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.

The land belongs to Israel forever! Now if you wish to talk about the seperate subject of Israel enjoying their land or not, well that is another topic not related to their ownership of the land.

Not unconditionally. He chased them out, remember? They lost rights temporarily in the captivity.

They never lost their right to the land. They may have lost the ability to dwell therein, but the land was still theirs.

No way. It is no more theirs than mine or yours or Gaza's. Not until God restores them after they believe.

Wrong again!

Ezekiel 37:12-14

King James Version

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12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

Ezekiel 20:33-38

King James Version

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

God has always called it the land of Israel and it is! NOw show me one verse that says Israel gave up the right to their land given to them by God forever (Gen. 13).

Your lack of bible knowledge is now showing.

Nope. That was when they hired a moving truck and moved back on their own, just as prophesy tells us they would be there.

Yep- God started returning Israel back to their land!

The solution is believe in Jesus. Until then, the solution does not exist. There could have been fixes that might have worked somewhat temporarily, but I think that ship has sailed.
Basically the solution is that they admit there is no solution except Jesus!

Well that is true. But as Israel as a nation will not turn to Jesus until the end of the 70th week of Daniel, you already have offered up your antisemitic solution. Just have Israel pack up and leave to somewhere because all them big bad Muslims are so mad at the Jews. So let us appease the Jew haters who wish to wipe them off teh face of the earth and let Israel wander again to be picked off one by one in lands not their own.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Israeli citizen and military testimony ....I didn't save the videos, but different ones have spoken out that even a cockroach couldn't breach the border without the IDF knowing, and there is no way Hamas snuck across and killed all those people without deliberate oversight.

So you have no hard evidence, just anecdotal evidence and now missing videos. sorry if I remain unconvinced.

Israel needs no excuse to kill Hamas. The daily rocket launchings are enough. Just like America got hoodwinked at Pearl Harbor, Israel had a failute in intelligence here. they didn't even know how extensive the Hamas cockroaches had dug their tunnel network. Israel is about teh best at getting intel- but they are not infallible.

 

[dad]

The Biden humanitarian aid plan is laughable.

Best not to believe anything they say

 

[dad]

So you have no hard evidence, just anecdotal evidence and now missing videos. sorry if I remain unconvinced.

Israel needs no excuse to kill Hamas. The daily rocket launchings are enough. Just like America got hoodwinked at Pearl Harbor, Israel had a failute in intelligence here. they didn't even know how extensive the Hamas cockroaches had dug their tunnel network. Israel is about teh best at getting intel- but they are not infallible.

That is not the issue. The issue is using Hamas as the excuse to mass murder and starve women and children

 

[RedFan]

That is not the issue. The issue is using Hamas as the excuse to mass murder and starve women and children

I am pretty sure Israelis look at the killing and starvation of Gazan women and children as an unfortunate and unavoidable byproduct of their effort to destroy Hamas, rather than using Hamas as an "excuse" to kill and starve Gazan women and children -- as though that were the primary goal, rather than the destruction of Hamas.

 

[Jay Ross]

Maybe it's just time for you to exit the conversation.

Perhaps it is time for the thread to be closed as the conversation is going around in circles.

 

[Jay Ross]

Truth has no place in a discussion?

Truth has a place in a discussion but when both sides of the conversation come from the same source, then it is time to close the thread.

 

[Mr E]

Perhaps it is time for the thread to be closed as the conversation is going around in circles.

If you think so, it’s time to step out of the circle and try listening instead of speaking.