The Holy Spirit ?

[Richard_oti]

What amadeus Posted is very good. now to all. if any who calls themselves christians, (followers of the Lord Jesus), lets put your testimony into ACTION, (Belief). as an OT prophet testified, "And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word".

well let's see who are we really following in the teaching of the Holy Spirit, is it God or Baal. I have stated, and I follow the teaching of the Lord Jesus as he is Lord and God, meaning the ONLY Lord and God, the Holy Spirit, and there is no other. don't get me wrong in this stance.

<chuckle> I am not between two opinions, I know one 'Elohim, YHVH. And that is the one I follow.

So basically, if I don't believe as you do, according to that which you have written, I must therefore follow Ba`al.

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Now, I will put forth scripture to back up the doctrinal beliefs I'm taught. if anyone can prove them in ERROR then I will accept the correction, and live according. or.............. if I can prove that the doctrinal beliefs I'm taught is the truth, I expect the same from any who tries to correct the truth.

Considering there has been nearly two millennia of controversy with regard to such, do you really think that it can be settled here?

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Acts 9:1-16, Acts 22:1-16 and Acts 26:12-18. here I have stayed in one book. but within the verse given in this book, is the Godhead revealed unto you.

I gave them a cursory look. And no, I do not see the "Godhead" revealed as you are using the term. I do see what you are seeing, but I do not see it as you do.

 

[mjrhealth]

I find teh longer the post teh less there is to read, Jesus just isnt that complicated. And no Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.

Mat_3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

Did you miss that bit.

 

[101G]

So basically, if I don't believe as you do, according to that which you have written, I must therefore follow Ba`al.

basically, yep........ (smile).

Considering there has been nearly two millennia of controversy with regard to such, do you really think that it can be settled here?

basically, yep........ (smile).

I gave them a cursory look. And no, I do not see the "Godhead" revealed as you are using the term. I do see what you are seeing, but I do not see it as you do.

carnal eyes are useless to see with when it comes to the word of God in revelation. no harm intended, nor an argument. but to show you what I see, a simple question who "choose" Paul, then Saul as his minister/witness to the gentiles?. would you say "God" the one whom you calls the Father, or the "Lord Jesus" whom the one you calls the Son. mind you, Ananias, made this statement in Acts 22:14 "And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth". now Richard, how plain can one get in letting one KNOW who choose him. so Richard, who choose him, was it the one whom you calls "God" the Father, or was it the Lord Jesus, for Ananias gave the answer, it's just do we really know "who the God of our fathers is".

remember, this is not for an argument, but for truth. either God of Baal.

 

[Richard_oti]

basically, yep........ (smile).

basically, yep........ (smile).

So what's next if we are also unable to settle the matter? Are you going to seek a Papal Bull, get the gov't to make a law requiring one to renounce their beliefs and accept yours under penalty of death?

Let me save you the time. I'll be the first to step to the front of the line.

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[101G]

So what's next if we are also unable to settle the matter? Are you going to seek a Papal Bull, get the gov't to make a law requiring one to renounce their beliefs and accept yours under penalty of death?

Let me save you the time. I'll be the first to step to the front of the line.

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#1. unable to settle the matter? not me U, because it have been settle before the foundation of the worlds was laid. it's just U who is the late comer not knowing this in ignorance..... (smile).

#2. Are you going to seek a Papal Bull, get the gov't to make a law requiring one to renounce their beliefs and accept yours under penalty of death? sometimes DEATH is a GOOD thing, ...... (smile) it gets one in the church of the Lord Jesus. Romans 6:4 "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life". NOT a death penalty, that's carnal thinking. but LIFE, which is Spiritual thinking... (smile). and my Government is not of this world...:cool:

#3. to make a law requiring one to renounce their beliefs. the law is already on the books, Matthew 3:1-2 "In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand". Repent ye, ye is U, and it's a requirement.

#4. Let me save you the time. I'll be the first to step to the front of the line. oh how brave of U. but no need to. listen, Revelation 22:11 "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still". WHY? next verse,12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be"........ .

so Good day 2 U.

 

[pia]

basically, yep........ (smile).

basically, yep........ (smile).

carnal eyes are useless to see with when it comes to the word of God in revelation. no harm intended, nor an argument. but to show you what I see, a simple question who "choose" Paul, then Saul as his minister/witness to the gentiles?. would you say "God" the one whom you calls the Father, or the "Lord Jesus" whom the one you calls the Son. mind you, Ananias, made this statement in Acts 22:14 "And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth". now Richard, how plain can one get in letting one KNOW who choose him. so Richard, who choose him, was it the one whom you calls "God" the Father, or was it the Lord Jesus, for Ananias gave the answer, it's just do we really know "who the God of our fathers is".

remember, this is not for an argument, but for truth. either God of Baal.

Perhaps we would all be better served if we stop trying to use our eyes all the time, and do as Jesus said and use our ears..... Even in the book of Revelation it quotes :" Hear, what the Spirit is saying to the Church".....Nowhere in fact do I see where it says for us to read anything ???

 

[bbyrd009]

Now, I will put forth scripture to back up the doctrinal beliefs I'm taught. if anyone can prove them in ERROR then I will accept the correction, and live according. or.............. if I can prove that the doctrinal beliefs I'm taught is the truth, I expect the same from any who tries to correct the truth.

ha, Duelling Christians, lol.
By God, we are going to logically decide right now whether it is "A" or "notA" for all time!

no offense meant, that's just how that reads to me now lol

 

[101G]

ha, Duelling Christians, lol.
By God, we are going to logically decide right now whether it is "A" or "notA" for all time!

no offense meant, that's just how that reads to me now lol

Duelling, don't be foolish, but can you disprove my doctrine?....... (smile).

 

[bbyrd009]

Duelling, don't be foolish, but can you disprove my doctrine?....... (smile).

court is adjourned, 101, i don't need to prove anything wadr.

i observe 'duelling' but you say 'foolish,' who would win in court? lol

 

[101G]

court is adjourned, 101, i don't need to prove anything wadr.

i observe 'duelling' but you say 'foolish,' who would win in court? lol

I is the problem, and it's in the beholder. good that adjourned court. so you're not foolish after all.

 

[amadeus]

Perhaps we would all be better served if we stop trying to use our eyes all the time, and do as Jesus said and use our ears..... Even in the book of Revelation it quotes :" Hear, what the Spirit is saying to the Church".....Nowhere in fact do I see where it says for us to read anything ???

"And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh." Ecc 12:12

 

[pia]

"And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh." Ecc 12:12

I sure got a huge taste of that, when I first got a Bible and began to study.........When I was spending time in His presence I was uplifted, at peace and over joyed.........When I started to study and increasingly so, my 'mind' just went ga-ga, some confusion set in and before I knew it, some seeds came into my being, I wish had never had a chance to..........We live and learn as they say......without His faithfulness and love I would not be here, that is for certain....

 

[amadeus]

I sure got a huge taste of that, when I first got a Bible and began to study.........When I was spending time in His presence I was uplifted, at peace and over joyed.........When I started to study and increasingly so, my 'mind' just went ga-ga, some confusion set in and before I knew it, some seeds came into my being, I wish had never had a chance to..........We live and learn as they say......without His faithfulness and love I would not be here, that is for certain....

Of course I started with Jesus from a different place than you. After receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost I, who had never read a Bible before, immersed myself in the scripture. It was probably after 15 years of reading and studying that I backslid. I backslid because I was eating too much of His flesh with drinking an inadequate amount of His blood. It became a weariness of my flesh and when assaulted by the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life, I had no defenses and, of course, I lost a major battle.

When after many struggles for years God allowed me to come back to Him, again I began reading my Bible [eating His flesh], but I had learned a lesson about the Blood. My prayer life which previously had not been sufficient to match the eating of the dead flesh took on a new importance that it had never had before. This communication with God through the Spirit gave me Life.

But as Jesus put it:

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" John 11:25-26

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever." John 6:53-58

People can eat the crackers and drink the grape juice and that is OK by me. Even God will likely not object, so long as they also eat the Flesh of Jesus [raw dead word which can be the scriptures] and drink His Blood [quickening Holy Spirit] so that the "new" or "inner man" gets the proper and sufficient nourishment and Lives.

Many people, I believe, are good Bible students, but miss a close relationship with the Lord which is where the Blood comes into play. This was the first thing that touched me when I received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. This was Jesus giving me His Blood to drink. This was the gift which made it possible to receive more of Him as we move forward. If we receive it the one time and never or seldom partake again, what will happen to the scripture we consume? Without the Life giving Blood, it cannot live and eventually what we already have will be lost to us. God had mercy on me.

"He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath." Matt 13:11-12

Give God the glory!

 

[Helen]

@amadeus Twice today I have read where you speak of the blood of Jesus.
You are the very first one where I have read that you believe the Holy Spirit is the Blood of Jesus ( or was it visa-vera)
That is a new one to me.
I can see why you say that...because there is Life,Power, Protection, cleansing etc in the Blood.
I cannot buy into it yet...that is a big one for me...I must "chew upon it."
But as I dwell on what I believe about the power of the blood and the power of the Holy Spirit....I can see how they could blend into one.
I must run that by Dave. :)
Bless you....Helen

PS, I have only just seen that your post was written on Nov 19 lol

 

[amadeus]

@amadeus Twice today I have read where you speak of the blood of Jesus.
You are the very first one where I have read that you believe the Holy Spirit is the Blood of Jesus ( or was it visa-vera)
That is a new one to me.
I can see why you say that...because there is Life,Power, Protection, cleansing etc in the Blood.
I cannot buy into it yet...that is a big one for me...I must "chew upon it."
But as I dwell on what I believe about the power of the blood and the power of the Holy Spirit....I can see how they could blend into one.
I must run that by Dave. :)
Bless you....Helen

PS, I have only just seen that your post was written on Nov 19 lol

Actually while I kind of thought of it that way for before that, a discussion with our old friend Kerry some years ago helped clarify it for me. At first it had to do with colors in scripture. The discussion of colors led to the color of blood, which led to the discussion of the connection between Blood and Spirit. Red blood is carnal for the flesh of the old man. The following is a copy of a pertinent part of that conversation:

Jesus did shed his natural blood, but was that the source of Life for you and for me? Within Jesus was real Life. Perhaps better said: Jesus was/is real Life.

Jesus yielded up the Ghost or he shed the Spirit, the Spirit that was to become available to whosoever will, no?

“Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. ” Matt 27:50

The Ghost is the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit for Jesus. He was preparing to share with whosoever will the Spirit within him by shedding it. This is the Life promised to us and/or for us:

”Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." II Cor 3:6

The natural blood is a giver of natural life. The spirit of man is a corrupted spirit, which was first corrupted in the Garden of Eden. That spirit provides only natural, temporal or carnal life. That spirit cannot give the Life which Jesus is:

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

What was it Zechariah wrote?

"Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts." Zech 4:6

The blood we are to drink [John 6:53] is/was not the natural blood of Jesus consisting of approximately 10 pints inherited from his carnal mother, Mary. That blood was spilled and lost in natural death. The Life giving blood he spilled or shed or spread was the Spirit, the Holy Spirit when he yielded up the Ghost (Spirit).

Well, white is a good color in scripture, while red is the color of natural blood. I do not believe that emphasis is ever put on the color of the blood of Jesus, which we are to drink as being red. I remember having read or heard somewhere that His blood, spiritually was white. I am certain I still have the reference somewhere, but cannot recall where at the moment.[this paragraph is Kerry's]

It is not the red blood of the man who died on the cross 2,000 years ago that is the Life we need. That red blood was the natural blood of a natural man and it probably all spilled out on the ground to end the carnal life of the flesh of Jesus.

The source of Life for us, spiritually speaking, is the Spirit, which is to quicken us. Is it really white? Probably not in the sense that a sheet of paper is white, but rather in the sense that it is pure and spotless without any detracting or negative parts. This is what God is. This would, of course, be what His Spirit is. When the book of Revelation speaks of being clothed in white raiment, it is not speaking of material natural clothing made from cloth. Is it even speaking of a natural color? White from what I remember of my high school physics is the sum of all the colors of light mixed together. Wouldn't that be the "very good" of Gen 1:31?

Well maybe you can take it from there.I never really specifically dealt with it much more than that although it has almost always for years now been where I am on it.

Say Hi to Dave.

 

[bbyrd009]

So basically, if I don't believe as you do, according to that which you have written, I must therefore follow Ba`al.

gee, how many times a day do we get this one, huh?

of course, what else should one expect from one in the Holy of Holies, other than "you are not forgiven?"

Considering there has been nearly two millennia of controversy with regard to such, do you really think that it can be settled here?

i'm guessing in the very next post, myself, ya

I gave them a cursory look. And no, I do not see the "Godhead" revealed as you are using the term. I do see what you are seeing, but I do not see it as you do.

don't you realize who he is?

 

[bbyrd009]

Perhaps we would all be better served if we stop trying to use our eyes all the time, and do as Jesus said and use our ears..... Even in the book of Revelation it quotes :" Hear, what the Spirit is saying to the Church".....Nowhere in fact do I see where it says for us to read anything ???

amen! and talking--at least from a certain perspective, Oracle--is highly overrated too, and is equally treated


11For you the entire vision will be like the words of a sealed document. If it is given to one who can read and he is asked to read it, he will say, "I can't read it, because it is sealed."

 

[bbyrd009]

When I started to study and increasingly so, my 'mind' just went

knowledge brings sorrow, not joy, yes. of course reading and study have their place, along with sorrow; and even doing a study on the two words is revealing imo
Read Bible Search: read
Study Bible Search: study

 

[bbyrd009]

again I began reading my Bible [eating His flesh]

ah, now i see why i don't like this perspective; as it strikes me as trying to eat Law to get Grace or something?
Iow this has obviously served you well, but imo there are more rungs on the ladder of "eating Christ's Flesh," that you might not seek simply bc you are happy with your current definition of "eating Christ's Flesh," which Scripture was certainly derived from, but nonetheless still is not.

Anyway, a great model that i would recommend to others, even

I had no defenses and, of course, I lost a major battle.

ah, so it worked out great anyway iow :)

 

[bbyrd009]

But as I dwell on what I believe about the power of the blood and the power of the Holy Spirit....I can see how they could blend into one.

you have not yet been called to sweat any blood bible - Google Search

a Living Sacrifice does not literally bleed, all the "bleeding" is internal lol