pia
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We do indeed dear Sir :)I certainly will, dear sister. We do serve a wondrous God.
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We do indeed dear Sir :)I certainly will, dear sister. We do serve a wondrous God.
This is good. What "Other Faith" leads you to believe this?
Mostly from being involved in the christian faith, after years of wearing that veil the truth of Luke 17:20-21 started to tear the historic veil of traditional dogma based in time and fear with a futuristic focus instead of the eternal NOW. Bill Donahue, Mike Nevins, Alvin Boyd kuhn, Gerald Massey, Neville Goddard, Moji, etc........helped wake the dead prodigal stuck in times realm of good and evil where our mind is God/Ego.
Your answer seems conflicted: First you quote biblical scripture as if for it, then seem to divorce yourself from it as if against it.Mostly from being involved in the christian faith, after years of wearing that veil the truth of Luke 17:20-21 started to tear the historic veil of traditional dogma based in time and fear with a futuristic focus instead of the eternal NOW. Bill Donahue, Mike Nevins, Alvin Boyd kuhn, Gerald Massey, Neville Goddard, Moji, etc........helped wake the dead prodigal stuck in times realm of good and evil where our mind is God/Ego.
Most base their belief on, and by appearances from partaking of the fruit of good and evilI just imagine people looking in on Christians from the outside, thinking...How nice, they all "believe" in a god that can't be seen! When the reality is, many do believe, but many do not need to venture belief...because they/we "know" for certain. God is not a "belief", he's a fact.
I posted that in a rush, My main point would follow the message being all things to all people, being a westerner the sarcasm comes out without really meaning to sound brash, these debates forums exist on judging by appearance which is based on a facade/persona we all use as a shield, I see the traditional views as foundation truth that follows the flesh in its limited capacity to digest the implications behind the Dark saying hidden under the dead letters Christ, nothing wrong with it but like you know those encounters with the Christ within reveals more and more that the scripture isn't secular history but Divine history that happens in the kingdom of God said to be in man, labels divide Christ bridges all people, perfect love drives out the fear dogma that feeds on good and evil.Your answer seems conflicted: First you quote biblical scripture as if for it, then seem to divorce yourself from it as if against it.
What is it that you believe? Is there a name for your faith, that we might look into a more complete definition?
You bounced around so as to make it hard to follow. Which, of course, is not unlike the word of God at first glance. I give you that. But there is a simple and clear way of God, and it is not dispersed among other faiths, but rather one ribbon of truth according to Him alone, down through all the ages since the beginning of time.Most base their belief on, and by appearances from partaking of the fruit of good and evil
I posted that in a rush, My main point would follow the message being all things to all people, being a westerner the sarcasm comes out without really meaning to sound brash, these debates forums exist on judging by appearance which is based on a facade/persona we all use as a shield, I see the traditional views as foundation truth that follows the flesh in its limited capacity to digest the implications behind the Dark saying hidden under the dead letters Christ, nothing wrong with it but like you know those encounters with the Christ within reveals more and more that the scripture isn't secular history but Divine history that happens in the kingdom of God said to be in man, labels divide Christ bridges all people, perfect love drives out the fear dogma that feeds on good and evil.
Hi Scott,The term "believers" has become the common assumed position of those who come to, and follow, God and Christ. However, at the core of the believing community, are those who do not believe by faith at all, but "know" without a shadow of doubt, the truth of God and Christ because of "first hand" or "eye witness" experience. I am such a one...and those who seek to know God should, and can, be assured that our faith and yours, is not based in some feel-good notion of hope that good will prevail. No, in fact, the main characters of the Bible are those who "know", rather than merely believe, and have had a personal encounter with almighty God. In this, indeed, we may have faith.
No...but it is those who exercise faith that are all the more esteemed by God.Hi Scott,
Love your post. I get the gist of what you are saying. I am curious though: Since I am only a believer by faith and you are a believer because of your personal encounter is there a difference between us?
Curious Mary
Hi,No...but it is those who exercise faith that are all the more esteemed by God.
The faithful who do the will of God, will hear Him say, "Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord."
But those who "know" and do the will of God have entered already. But one who "knows" the will of God but does not do it, shall be cast into the fire.
I'm glad that you wrote "possibly"...for I don't think I agree.The Christian community has adopted the term "believer", possibly leading non-believing seekers to think that is all there is - that no one really "knows."
Very true...but when we do speak out and claim that we know...then the undercutting starts..with -" no one can possibly know" Or "You hope"....that the core of Christianity is not merely based on faith in something that no one can actually know, therefore making Christianity no different than a thousand other would-be religious pursuits.
Because of the common use of the term "believer", the fact that we know what we know for a fact, is obscured and rarely stated.
It is the latter.Hi,
Since there is no difference between your faith and my faith, what was the purpose of your original post?
Did you just want everyone to know that you have had a personal encounter with God?
Did you just want to reassure those of us that only have faith that our faith is valid because you and others have had a personal encounter with Him? Is your testimony meant to uplift those of us who have not had that personal encounter?
I'm confused with your intent.
Mary
Indeed. We as Christians do not have faith in faith. But if we have faith, we have faith in the sure knowledge of God, not believed only, but revealed to many witnesses: As God is my witness.
Yeah, I think it is most important for seekers and new believers to understand this. Otherwise it's just like shopping for what sounds good. Christians, in time, do get to "know" also, even if they first begin in faith...that faith is rewarded with knowledge from God.I didn't even know that this thread was here...it has totally gone over my head...no idea why I didn't see it in New Posts. I am late to the party..and had to go back to page #1 ( which is this quote of Scott's)
I'm glad that you wrote "possibly"...for I don't think I agree.
But I do think "believer" is somewhat weak...that is why I use- " Believing-believer" = belief continually in action. I don't just believe that ice cream tastes good, I have tasted and I know it tastes good! And I am continually daily tasting.
'Christian' is a word that many of us have distanced ourseves from..anyone and 'everyone' claims to be a christian if it suits their purposes...and many do.
Very true...but when we do speak out and claim that we know...then the undercutting starts..with -" no one can possibly know" Or "You hope".
Some cannot grasp that we do indeed know. We in fact know many things!
I know for sure that I am married to my husband and we do actually really talk to each other every day.
Just so, we know our relationship with God, and we know His voice daily.
I do think that there are two levels of believers.
One can only believe if seeing.. while the other is- believed through the hearing of the ear, and then of seeing by the Spirit.
Good - I can't get the thought of ice cream out of my mind. I am convinced that manna was ice cream - pure heaven! :)Love that...just bumping it for that reason :)
(Luke 4:33-34) "¶ And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice, {34} Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God."
That "difference" is everything. It all depends on who one serves.So "knowing" God has been elevated above having faith in God, and separated entirely as different from one another. So I'm assuming those who claim to "know God" are saying this because they have had an epiphany of some sort, perhaps similar to Paul, and this somehow makes them special. Since you experienced his actual presence in the spirit, then how much do you know about this guy from heaven anyway? Do you "know God" better than Satan? After all, he has seen God with his two eyes and conversed with him directly in heaven, bodily. What is the difference between you "knowing God" and Satan "knowing God"? What is the difference between someone "believing in God" and a demon "believing in God"?
That "difference" is everything. It all depends on who one serves.
The worst day of knowing God as Lord, is better than the best day of knowing God as an enemy.
No way, cannot be separated.So "knowing" God has been elevated above having faith in God, and separated entirely as different from one another.
So I'm assuming those who claim to "know God" are saying this because they have had an epiphany of some sort, perhaps similar to Paul, and this somehow makes them special.
No way, cannot be separated.
But why such a harsh post?
Why assume? Did not all believers "have an epiphany" on the day and hour that they first believed?
Didn't you? How are you a believer if you didn't hear His voice calling and His love revealed to you?
Just interested. Thanks.
That still doesn't explain how you "knowing God" is any different than someone "believing" in God. The demons know God as Lord as well, so it doesn't prove anything. Are you saying that a believer cannot know that God is NOT his enemy because he doesn't "know God"? Whats the deal here?![]()