101G
Well-Known Member
You ERROR OZ, the scripture do include the PASTOR. listen Paul is an apostle correct, but did you not know that he is also a Pastor.Bishop, and prophet, and teacher? Yes Pastor is there. let's see it.101,
Of course that verse does not include pastor-teachers because there are Holy Spirit gifted people in the church who are teachers and not pastors. Is that not acceptable to you?
However, Eph 4:11 does state there is in the ministry gift of pastor-teachers. Pastor-teachers don't have to be mentioned in 1 Cor 12:28 to make pastor-teachers legitimate gifts according to Eph 4:11.
Oz
Paul is an Apostle, and Apostle are "set" ordained/appointed first. here is the verse that shows the apostle is a pastor also. 1 Corinthians 13:2 "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing".
what is the duties of a Pastor? Jeremiah 3:15 "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding."
there you have it, "knowledge" and "Understanding". the apostle Paul fed the church of God with "ALL" understanding, and "ALL" Knowledge.
and yes he the apostle is a TEACHER, supportive scriptures, 1 Corinthians 4:17 "For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church
1 Corinthians 14:19 "Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
see Oz, you was Looking with CARNAL eyes at 1 Cor 12:28, for the actual word "pastor" and or "teacher" you want see is physically there, it's in the Spiritual Gift, which only Spiritual eyes will see and reveal.
so don't try and put words in my mouth as to what I accept or not.
good day to you.