Can one be saved while they are all alone?

[CNKW3]

And unless we go further into Gospel truth, and other Scriptures, we will not properly understand the connection. BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ORDINARY WATER. So it is now up to you to search for the truth. Chances are you won't.

Ok, let’s study...
Baptism is in ordinary water and 1 pet 3 helps to prove that (plus many other passages)
But it’s not the water that does anything.
It’s the where the believer comes in contact with the blood.
Proof....
Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Enoch, if you are being a good bible student you would have to agree that this passage does NOT tell us WHEN we are washed by the blood. It only tells WHAT does the washing. We have to go else where.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Now, this passage tells us WHEN the sins are washed away. Is it the water doing the washing? No, it’s the faith in the blood. But you still have to go through the water to get the blood. Obedience.

If the above is correct then we should see more evidence in scripture. Let’s see..
First, Christ ties salvation to water baptism in Mt 28, Mk 16 (man can’t be commanded to baptize in the spirit) so it has to be water.
In the first gospel sermon of acts 2, christ ties removal of sin to baptism, the same baptism as the one he just commanded 10 days earlier.
They were added to the church AFTER baptism.

In acts 8 the Eunuch comes UP OUT OF THE WATER, real water, REJOICING!
Have you ever seen anybody wait to rejoice? If he was saved on the road why did he wait to rejoice?
If he was saved on the road....why did Philip wait to leave him AFTER baptism? It’s because....that’s the point his sins were washed away. That the cause for rejoicing.

Acts 22:16. Just looked at it above. Saul had his sins removed at baptism.

Lydia was baptized and after that she said....”if you have found me to be faithful”. Acts 16
When did she say that...after baptism
Also
The jailor was labeled a “believer” AFTER he had been baptized.

Those in Ephesus were baptized twice. Makes no since if water baptism has no bearing on your position with the lord.

Rom 6 also ties baptism to the resurrection Rom 6:5
To obtain a new life.6: 3,4
To the removal of sins 6: 17,18
Spirit baptism is NOT a burial.
Spirit baptism is NOT a planting
Spirit baptism is NOT a raising up
Only the purposefully dishonest Bible student who has to cling to their false doctrine will argue that this is somehow Spirit baptism.

Col 2 explains that baptism is where God “operates” or works on the believer, to circumcise the sins away from the flesh. A beautiful baptism passage. Baptism is a work of God NOT a work of man.

We looked at 1 pet 3 tying real water to salvation.

How are we doing so far in our study? When people preach faith alone they contradict all these clear passages.
Let’s test your willingness to learn truth...
Did Christ tie salvation to baptism? Yes or no?
In acts 2....at what point were their sins removed?
In acts 22...at what point was Sauls sins washed away?
Is baptism tied into the blood and the resurrection? Yes or no?
Now give me where faith alone is tied into the resurrection?
There’s more we could say but this should be enough.

 

[CNKW3]

You are correct...saved by faith is not scriptural...we are saved by Grace...His Grace towards us...our faith is what grows in us as we hear the Word taught. Scripture does teach that we are all GIVEN a measure of faith as believers...Romans 12:3....
How people come to believe in Jesus is by the preaching of the Gospel of how He loves us enough to die for us...John 6:44 says no man can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them.
Can a person be saved all alone? Nothing is impossible with God and He will find a way.

I have to clarify. I believe we are saved by faith, just not “faith alone”.
But i like what you said about the word.
I of course, disagree with your last statement. God has prescribed, in his word, the way in which sins are removed under the new covenant (And that is what salvation is all about...the cleansing from sin)
And this is the way he saves today. If he saves you one way and me another then what good are his words in the Bible? What else has he said in there that I can disregard because...”he will find a way”
We are told that there is one faith, a common salvation, a mutual faith.
Paul said..
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
He calls it “the faith” not “a faith”. He didn’t call it...”your faith”.
He says...examine yourselves and PROVE yourselves whether you be in the faith.
This is what this whole thread has been about.. if you are in “the faith” you should be able to prove it through examination. There is not ONE example of anybody ever being saved while they are “all alone”. So, that false doctrine and practice does not hold up under examination.
People have railed on me from the beginning about the idea of proving your faith. Well, I didn’t say it, Paul did, so take it up with him.

 

[ScottA]

I have to clarify. I believe we are saved by faith, just not “faith alone”.
But i like what you said about the word.
I of course, disagree with your last statement. God has prescribed, in his word, the way in which sins are removed under the new covenant (And that is what salvation is all about...the cleansing from sin)
And this is the way he saves today. If he saves you one way and me another then what good are his words in the Bible? What else has he said in there that I can disregard because...”he will find a way”
We are told that there is one faith, a common salvation, a mutual faith.
Paul said..
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
He calls it “the faith” not “a faith”. He didn’t call it...”your faith”.
He says...examine yourselves and PROVE yourselves whether you be in the faith.
This is what this whole thread has been about.. if you are in “the faith” you should be able to prove it through examination. There is not ONE example of anybody ever being saved while they are “all alone”. So, that false doctrine and practice does not hold up under examination.
People have railed on me from the beginning about the idea of proving your faith. Well, I didn’t say it, Paul did, so take it up with him.

People rail on you because you are just wrong...on both "the way we are saved", and why "Paul said" what he said.

Here is Jesus putting the way we are saved in His own words, which "most assuredly", does not agree with your dissertation:

John 5:24
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."

As for Paul's preaching...you apparently have not accounted for the fact that what he preached was the text for the past 2000 years of gentile folly. By taking him literally instead of actually "discerning spiritually" (as with the rest of scripture) you and most of Christendom have prolonged the day, which kingdom of God came with Christ even before Paul was sent out. As a result Paul's words of a great apostasy have now come to fruition...and you helped.

Paul was not saying to "prove your own selves" or "workout your own salvation" because that is how salvation is attained. That would be against Christ's own words. It was a put-off, until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. So, no, he said it the way that he did for the same reason as Daniel was told to “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end." But you did not perceive it.

 

[CNKW3]

People rail on you because you are just wrong...on both "the way we are saved", and why "Paul said" what he said.

Here is Jesus putting the way we are saved in His own words, which "most assuredly", does not agree with your dissertation:

John 5:24
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."

As for Paul's preaching...you apparently have not accounted for the fact that what he preached was the text for the past 2000 years of gentile folly. By taking him literally instead of actually "discerning spiritually" (as with the rest of scripture) you and most of Christendom have prolonged the day, which kingdom of God came with Christ even before Paul was sent out. As a result Paul's words of a great apostasy have now come to fruition...and you helped.

Paul was not saying to "prove your own selves" or "workout your own salvation" because that is how salvation is attained. That would be against Christ's own words. It was a put-off, until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. So, no, he said it the way that he did for the same reason as Daniel was told to “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end." But you did not perceive it.

Oh...I got it! We are saved by belief only. Yea, how did I miss that?

So I guess when Jesus said...
Jn 3:5 Unless one is born of water and the Spirit they cannot enter the kingdom.
He didn’t mean it.

And at the end of chapter 3 when he said that to believe is to obey vs36, I guess he didn’t really mean that.

And I guess when he said...
Lk 13:5 Unless you repent you'll all likewise perish
He didn’t mean it

And I guess when he said...
Mt 10:32. Unless you confess me before men I will not confess you before my father.
That’s not really what he meant, because all we have to do I believe.

And I guess when he said...
Mk 16:16 he that believes AND IS baptized shall be saved.
He didn’t mean that either.

And Paul? Nooo, Paul didn’t want you to evaluate your life and see if you are staying faithful or not. What does he care? Scott has preached us eternally saved no matter how we live..
I’m sure glad we have you on here to straighten me out. How would anybody know what the real truth is without your commentary?

 

[atpollard]

Oh...I got it! We are saved by belief only. Yea, how did I miss that?

• [Luke 8:5-7 NASB] 5 "The sower went out to sow his seed; and as he sowed, some fell beside the road, and it was trampled under foot and the birds of the air ate it up. 6 "Other seed fell on rocky soil, and as soon as it grew up, it withered away, because it had no moisture. 7 "Other seed fell among the thorns; and the thorns grew up with it and choked it out.

Take your pick!

So I guess when Jesus said...
Jn 3:5 Unless one is born of water and the Spirit they cannot enter the kingdom.
He didn’t mean it.

What did you do to help with your natural birth?
Then why do you think that God needs your help with your spiritual birth?

What if you start by addressing John 5:24

• “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."

instead of ignoring what Jesus said and ScottA 's comments on what Jesus said?

 

[ScottA]

Oh...I got it! We are saved by belief only. Yea, how did I miss that?

So I guess when Jesus said...
Jn 3:5 Unless one is born of water and the Spirit they cannot enter the kingdom.
He didn’t mean it.

And at the end of chapter 3 when he said that to believe is to obey vs36, I guess he didn’t really mean that.

And I guess when he said...
Lk 13:5 Unless you repent you'll all likewise perish
He didn’t mean it

And I guess when he said...
Mt 10:32. Unless you confess me before men I will not confess you before my father.
That’s not really what he meant, because all we have to do I believe.

And I guess when he said...
Mk 16:16 he that believes AND IS baptized shall be saved.
He didn’t mean that either.

And Paul? Nooo, Paul didn’t want you to evaluate your life and see if you are staying faithful or not. What does he care? Scott has preached us eternally saved no matter how we live..
I’m sure glad we have you on here to straighten me out. How would anybody know what the real truth is without your commentary?

Beside Jn 3:36 not saying that at all...

I guess you have never known anyone who was actually saved by the work of Christ--because it comes with all that, everything He said, everything you listed and more. If you actually knew anyone who was saved you would know this, because they would have told you. Which, of course is what we are now doing...but you do not believe us.


...Folks, obviously we are conversing with people who are only book-learned and have no actual experience with God in spirit.

 

[GodsGrace]

• [Luke 8:5-7 NASB] 5 "The sower went out to sow his seed; and as he sowed, some fell beside the road, and it was trampled under foot and the birds of the air ate it up. 6 "Other seed fell on rocky soil, and as soon as it grew up, it withered away, because it had no moisture. 7 "Other seed fell among the thorns; and the thorns grew up with it and choked it out.

Take your pick!



What did you do to help with your natural birth?
Then why do you think that God needs your help with your spiritual birth?

What if you start by addressing John 5:24

• “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."

instead of ignoring what Jesus said and ScottA 's comments on what Jesus said?

Oh A,
Let's not go there.
God needs no help with our spiritual birth.
All He needs is for us to say YES to His invitation,,,which is for all men.
Need verses?

John 5:24

1. First we HEAR HIS VOICE.
2. THEN we come to believe in Him.
3. When we believe in Him we get everlasting life.
4. At THAT point, we move from death to live.

 

[GodsGrace]

Beside Jn 3:36 not saying that at all...

I guess you have never known anyone who was actually saved by the work of Christ--because it comes with all that, everything He said, everything you listed and more. If you actually knew anyone who was saved you would know this, because they would have told you. Which, of course is what we are now doing...but you do not believe us.


...Folks, obviously we are conversing with people who are only book-learned and have no actual experience with God in spirit.

You should keep to discussing scripture and stop with the personal comments.
It's very unbecoming of a grown man.

John 13:35

 

[ScottA]

You should keep to discussing scripture and stop with the personal comments.
It's very unbecoming of a grown man.

John 13:35

Just stating the obvious. Obviously that bothers you.

 

[ScottA]

What did you do to help with your natural birth?
Then why do you think that God needs your help with your spiritual birth?

That's awesome -- thank you! (taking a bow)

 

[atpollard]

Oh A,
Let's not go there.
God needs no help with our spiritual birth.
All He needs is for us to say YES to His invitation,,,which is for all men.
Need verses?

John 5:24

1. First we HEAR HIS VOICE.
2. THEN we come to believe in Him.
3. When we believe in Him we get everlasting life.
4. At THAT point, we move from death to live.

The 'invitation' might be for all, but like the feast all the guests refused ... so the Host "drew" them to the Wedding Feast of the Lamb.
I am unconvinced that people have an option to say "No" to God. Saul certainly wasn't open to hearing the gospel on the road to Damascus.

[John 5:24 NASB] 24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

he who hears My word = present tense (happening now)
and = joins the events with no indication of a required order in time
believes Him who sent Me = present tense (happening now)
has eternal life = present tense (happening now)
and does not come into judgment = present tense (happening now)
but has passed out of death into life. = present tense (happening now)

We could dive deeper into the Greek verb tenses but there is little to be gained. What I see described is a single "event" with lasting consequences (some of the 'present' verbs mean 'now and into the future'.)

Here is what I see ... "he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life"

[John 10:26-29 NASB] 26 "But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 "My Father, who has given [them] to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch [them] out of the Father's hand.

• "he who hears My word" = "My sheep hear My voice" and "you are not of My sheep"
• "and believes Him who sent Me" = "My Father, who has given them to Me" and "But you do not believe"
• "has eternal life" = "I give eternal life to them"

[Romans 10:9-10 NASB] 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus [as] Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

• "he who hears My word, and believes" = "if you confess with your mouth, and believe in your heart"
  
• "has eternal life" = "you will be saved"

 

[Ezra]

I get tired of asking simple questions only to get the run around. All I want is for people to try and give me an honest answer.

YOU HAVE NOT been given the run around and YOU HAVE been given honest answers by the word of GOD. i have posted numerous scriptures and so has every one else.. your theology is of the flesh your doctrine is in need of serious spiritual first aid..

when I ask someone what the “seed” of the parable of the sower is and they give some goofy answer like yours,

i doubt it is was goofy but since you used the term goofy answer. you should know how the rest of us feel by your answers and false claim of salvation by baptism.

 

[GodsGrace]

The 'invitation' might be for all, but like the feast all the guests refused ... so the Host "drew" them to the Wedding Feast of the Lamb.
I am unconvinced that people have an option to say "No" to God. Saul certainly wasn't open to hearing the gospel on the road to Damascus.

[John 5:24 NASB] 24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

he who hears My word = present tense (happening now)
and = joins the events with no indication of a required order in time
believes Him who sent Me = present tense (happening now)
has eternal life = present tense (happening now)
and does not come into judgment = present tense (happening now)
but has passed out of death into life. = present tense (happening now)

We could dive deeper into the Greek verb tenses but there is little to be gained. What I see described is a single "event" with lasting consequences (some of the 'present' verbs mean 'now and into the future'.)

Here is what I see ... "he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life"

[John 10:26-29 NASB] 26 "But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 "My Father, who has given [them] to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch [them] out of the Father's hand.

• "he who hears My word" = "My sheep hear My voice" and "you are not of My sheep"
• "and believes Him who sent Me" = "My Father, who has given them to Me" and "But you do not believe"
• "has eternal life" = "I give eternal life to them"

[Romans 10:9-10 NASB] 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus [as] Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

• "he who hears My word, and believes" = "if you confess with your mouth, and believe in your heart"
  
• "has eternal life" = "you will be saved"

I agree. No use to get into the Greek language here,,,or hardly anywhere.
I think the translators did a good job of it..even though they did make some mistakes. But nothing that changes the message of the N.T.

How could you say that you can't imagine saying NO to God?
As you well know....we've all said no.
Then God INVITES us,,,He reveals Himself to all.
Then some say yes and some continue to say no.

I agree that all you've listed as verses are in the present tense.
He who BELIEVES has ETERNAL LIFE.
One can stop believing...in all salvation theories.
One of the early reformation fathers, Calvin, believed that God MADE some THINK they were saved, but they really were not.

Was it 3.21.5.....I have to look for this one day...there's just so much to go thru.
But I did read this...I remember it well because it was rather horrifying.


John 10:26-29
26“But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.
27“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
28and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
29“My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

verse 26 Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees. Surely they were not of His sheep. Some were. Nicodemus...Paul...I'm sure there were others.
But basically, Jesus was speaking to those questioning Him and planning to kill Him.

verse 27 Jesus' sheep, like us, do hear His voice and they follow the shepherd.
They hear His voice because they know it.

verse 28 Jesus gives eternal life to His sheep....those that follow Him and stay within the fold. They will never perish...those who FOLLOW HIM. We read all of scripture,not just the parts we like. The N.T. is a complete thought.

verse 29 I can't think of anyone that can snatch a believer out of God's hands.
Can they leave on their own though? Maybe from being persecuted...or experiencing problems and losing their faith and deciding, of their own free will, to abandon the very God that died for them.
Yes this is possible. Jesus says so Himself...
Luke 8:13
John 8:51 again, present tense.
John 3:36

Jesus did make a point on continued belief....
belief includes obedience...
If we stop having faith and believing...we will become lost.

(not that many take that path).

 

[CNKW3]

• [Luke 8:5-7 NASB] 5 "The sower went out to sow his seed; and as he sowed, some fell beside the road, and it was trampled under foot and the birds of the air ate it up. 6 "Other seed fell on rocky soil, and as soon as it grew up, it withered away, because it had no moisture. 7 "Other seed fell among the thorns; and the thorns grew up with it and choked it out.

Take your pick!

Dont know what that means. All I see is a MAN sowing seed which is “the word” of God.

What did you do to help with your natural birth?
Then why do you think that God needs your help with your spiritual birth?

So the water is amniotic fluid? Good. Christ has tell us to be born first. Unless you are really born you can’t be born again. What about still births? What about abortions? Don’t you think it’s common sense that you need to come into this world first before you need to be saved from it?
Here is a quote from AT Robertson. I only do this because I know all you easy believers love AT.
“By using water (the symbol before the thing signified) first and adding Spirit, he may have hoped to turn the mind of Nicodemus away from mere physical birth and, by pointing to the baptism of John on confession of sin which the Pharisees had rejected,”
He’s exactly right. The entire context of John 2,3 and beginning of 4 is about baptism in water. The Pharisees rejected it and Nicodemus was a pharisee. Read Lk 7:29,30

What if you start by addressing John 5:24

• “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."

instead of ignoring what Jesus said and ScottA 's comments on what Jesus said?

I’d be happy to. So, all we have to do is believe in God the father? Because that’s what this passage says. I thought we needed to believe that Jesus was the son of God and that he was raised from the dead. I don’t see that anywhere in this passage.
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Show me this in John 5:24.
You are definitely teaching a false doctrine now..

 

[CNKW3]

YOU HAVE NOT been given the run around and YOU HAVE been given honest answers by the word of GOD. i have posted numerous scriptures and so has every one else.. your theology is of the flesh your doctrine is in need of serious spiritual first aid.. i doubt it is was goofy but since you used the term goofy answer. you should know how the rest of us feel by your answers and false claim of salvation by baptism.

So you didn’t even read the post, but your gong to comment on it? Typical.
When I have time I’m gonna backtrack and log every passage you presented. I don’t think it will take long..

 

[CNKW3]

That's awesome -- thank you! (taking a bow)

Yes...Jesus is sooo clever. Hey Nicodemus...didn’t you know that you have to come through placenta fluid before you can go to heaven. Brilliant. I give my Lord more credit then that.

 

[Ezra]

So you didn’t even read the post, but your gong to comment on it? Typical.
When I have time I’m gonna backtrack and log every passage you presented. I don’t think it will take long..

make sure you get all the scriptures i posted ............that you ignored you been doing pretty good job back tracking

 

[atpollard]

So the water is amniotic fluid? Good. Christ has tell us to be born first. Unless you are really born you can’t be born again. What about still births? What about abortions? Don’t you think it’s common sense that you need to come into this world first before you need to be saved from it?

That wasn’t the point.
Try again.

 

[Enoch111]

“By using water (the symbol before the thing signified) first and adding Spirit, he may have hoped to turn the mind of Nicodemus away from mere physical birth and, by pointing to the baptism of John on confession of sin which the Pharisees had rejected,”
He’s exactly right.

He is EXACTLY WRONG. Water is a metaphor for the Word of God, and in this case more particularly the Gospel. So to be born of water and of the Spirit is to believe the Gospel (water) under the power of the Holy Spirit and thereby receive the New Birth.

THOSE WHO BELIEVE ARE BORN AGAIN
He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:12,13)

THE GOSPEL (WATER) IS THE SEED OF THE NEW BIRTH
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the Word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the Word which by the Gospel is preached unto you. (1 Pet 1:23-25)

Since human birth through amniotic fluid is a given, Jesus was definitely not talking about the obvious.

 

[CNKW3]

He is EXACTLY WRONG. Water is a metaphor for the Word of God, and in this case more particularly the Gospel. So to be born of water and of the Spirit is to believe the Gospel (water) under the power of the Holy Spirit and thereby receive the New Birth.

THOSE WHO BELIEVE ARE BORN AGAIN
He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:12,13)

THE GOSPEL (WATER) IS THE SEED OF THE NEW BIRTH
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the Word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the Word which by the Gospel is preached unto you. (1 Pet 1:23-25)

Since human birth through amniotic fluid is a given, Jesus was definitely not talking about the obvious.

You say the water is connected to the word. Christ connects the Spirit to the word.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
To quicken is to make alive or be born again. How does he quicken? Through his word.
Vs 68 Peter says...you have the words of eternal life.

There is nothing connecting water to the word in 1 pet 1 or Jn 1.
So, I agree with AT Rob. To be born again is through actual water and the Spirit which is the means by which we get the word. Without the word we know nothing of the Spirit. Without the word we know nothing about baptism.
Eph 5:26 is a parallel
The body is sanctified and cleansed...how? With the washing of water by the word.
These are separate elements leading to sanctification. Water and word (where do we get the word? From the Spirit)
Just like Jn 3:5. Separate elements of water and Spirit leading to the kingdom (which is the church/body of Eph 5.