The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

[BreadOfLife]

I actually believe Scripture, that Hell is in the Lower part of the earth.
TYPICAL Catholic tatic, to try and imply an other has made a claim with your ridiculous words.
Having a hard time understanding PLAIN language? Heaven is the Firmament. The Stars are in the Firmament.
Understand God...? LOL, I never claimed to Understand God, nor remotely do I believe that "YOU" Understand God.
Scripture teaches God desires men to Understand HIS WORD according to His Spirit.
You repeatedly reveal your Understanding of HIS WORD balances on Carnal understanding ... case in point, your "hobbit" remark.
You do not comprehend Scripture is ALL True.

Glory to God,
Taken

Scripture is indeed all true - it's just not all LITERAL.
This seems to have escaped your limited intellect.

Heaven and Hell are spiritual realms - not physical or astronomical ones.
LEARN the difference . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You simply avoided answering the questions and repeated yourself.
I have no clue "IF" you know what conceived means, but suspect you are without understanding.

Try really hard to answer the questions....
It's very simple to write "yes" or "no", but if you are afraid to answer "yes" or "no", just say so.

Glory to God,
Taken

This is an asinine interrogation.
If you can't understand what "Mary's conception" means - I suggest you take a Biology course . . .

 

[Taken]

Scripture is indeed all true - it's just not all LITERAL.
This seems to have escaped your limited intellect.

Heaven and Hell are spiritual realms - not physical or astronomical ones.
LEARN the difference . . .

Evidence of your claims?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ezra]

Ummmmm . . . "Highly favored" is not what Luke wrote.
Like I said - an intelligent person would have understood that Luke's Gospel was written in Koine Greek - not English.

Back to the old drawing board, sparky . . .

look moron if you cant handle a adult like posting.. go back to the sand box. i was off by one word highly --Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. she was just a chosen vessel she is no more important than rahab the harlot. your catholic belief is garbage . you like to spout off did mary teach you that? i really shouldn't be answering a fool according to his folly

 

[Taken]

This is an asinine interrogation.
If you can't understand what "Mary's conception" means - I suggest you take a Biology course . . .

Obviously you are either afraid or ignorant to explain your own belief or the basis thereof.

Conceived means to BE Pregnant. Not complicated.

Mary Became Pregnant (conceived) in her Virgin Womb, (with "sinless" JESUS) "When" the Power of the Holy Spirit came upon her.

Isn't it true?
Catholics FURTHER claim Mary's mother become Pregnant (conceived) (with Mary) and that Mary was without Orginal Sin? And when Mary was Naturally born from her mother's womb, Mary was WITHOUT Orginal Sin?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[historyb]

If I may Catholics do believe the Theotokos was born without the stain of oringial sin because God applied the work of the Cross to here since God is outside of time He could do that. In the west most Christians believe in the stain of original sin that we are guilty of Adam's sin. In the east they believe in Ancestral sin, that we are not guilty of Adam's sin but our own sin but we suffer the consequences of what Adam and Eve did. I believe as the eastern Christians do and do not believe in the immaculate conception because of the Theotokos not having any stain of original sin. Some more info here Immaculate Conception - OrthodoxWiki

 

[epostle]

-Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. she was just a chosen vessel she is no more important than rahab the harlot.

How can a vessel be chosen and unimportant at the same time? If you were to say MY mother "was no more important than rahab the harlot" in our presence, I would punch you in the face; it would be natural to do so. The only rationale I can theorize for such a demonic statement is that you were abused by your own mother. In Catholic theology, God judges perfectly, and takes all things into account, especially the deep seated scars that makes certain sins easy to come by. Especially the horrors we may have experienced in early childhood. It's not an excuse, it's called "diminished culpability". When you die your life races before you, you will then stand before Jesus with all the vile things you said about His mother. But be not afraid, He knows it's not entirely your fault. The fire of His love for you will burn off that shit.

 

[Philip James]

she was just a chosen vessel she is no more important than rahab the harlot.

Wow, that's some chutzpah, talking about Jesus' mom like that.

Lord have mercy!

 

[Taken]

If I may Catholics do believe the Theotokos was born without the stain of oringial sin because God applied the work of the Cross to here since God is outside of time He could do that. In the west most Christians believe in the stain of original sin that we are guilty of Adam's sin. In the east they believe in Ancestral sin, that we are not guilty of Adam's sin but our own sin but we suffer the consequences of what Adam and Eve did. I believe as the eastern Christians do and do not believe in the immaculate conception because of the Theotokos not having any stain of original sin. Some more info here Immaculate Conception - OrthodoxWiki

Thank you,

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Wow, that's some chutzpah, talking about Jesus' mom like that.

Lord have mercy!

Hi Philip ~

I read Ezra's point as being ...
not about, "IS" Mary Important, but rather "IS" she "MORE Important", than any other female.

Scripture tells us:
Mary "BELIEVED"..
...Luke 1:45
Mary was highly favored.
...Luke 1:28
Mary was blessed.
...Luke 1:45
The Lord "IS" with her.
...Luke 1:28
Mary was Informed, the Holy Ghost would come UPON her...
Luke 1:35
...
"AND"
the POWER of the Highest would OVERSHADOW her...
Luke 1:35
...
"AND"
Mary "accepted" what would come to pass, according to the Word of God.
Luke 1:38
...
"AND"
Generations would remember her belief, her blessing, her Lord's POWER WITH her, her Agreement to Serve the Lord according to His word.
Her SOUL magnified the Lord (Luke 1:46)
Her SPIRIT rejoiced in God (Luke 1:47)

We also know from Scripture, "Why" and "How" any person becomes Favored, Beloved and Blessed by God....Which hinges on the SAME it was for Mary and other people in the Scriptural Texts;
Belief, Obedience to Obey, Acceptance of the Lords Gifts and POWER, Acknowledging the Lord in ones SOUL, and Rejoicing in ones SPIRIT in God.

Point is: Gods WAY and ORDER applies to every Human. Humans IN Scripture are our Examples of WHY and HOW the Lord God "changed" "THEM". As we REMEMBER the Lord Jesus Himself, we also REMEMBER the Scriptural Text of the Human (men and women) Who and How "they" served the Lord, in a fashion Acceptable to the Lord, AND, what Great Blessings were given them of the Lord God.

Point being, the Human "Examples" are to be remembered, "but" not "EXALTED".

In the Catholic tradition and teaching, By all appearences, Beyond remembering Mary, Mary IS "exalted". (Which to me appeared to be Ezra's point and his disagreement with such point).

The Lord is our "EXAMPLE" to remember "AND" EXALT".

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

look moron if you cant handle a adult like posting.. go back to the sand box. i was off by one word highly --Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. she was just a chosen vessel she is no more important than rahab the harlot. your catholic belief is garbage . you like to spout off did mary teach you that? i really shouldn't be answering a fool according to his folly

Ahhhh, I see they brought in the “D” team.
Time for a Bible and linguistics lesson, sparky . . .

According to Luke’s Gospel, when the Angel visited Mary, Luke uses the Greek work Kecharitomene, to describe the angel’s greeting of Mary. Gabriel didn’t call her “Mary”, or “Highly favored one” - but “Kecharitomene” (Luke 1:28).

This word is the perfect passive participle, indicating a completed action – with a permanent result. It translates as “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.”

NOBODY else in ALL of Scripture is endowed with this title. NOBODY is described as being “Kecharitomene” other than Mary.

When ignorant people like you make the kinds of Scripturally-bankrupt claims you just made – it speaks VOLUMES about how little you understand the Word of God.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Obviously you are either afraid or ignorant to explain your own belief or the basis thereof.
Conceived means to BE Pregnant. Not complicated.
Mary Became Pregnant (conceived) in her Virgin Womb, (with "sinless" JESUS) "When" the Power of the Holy Spirit came upon her.

Isn't it true?
Catholics FURTHER claim Mary's mother become Pregnant (conceived) (with Mary) and that Mary was without Orginal Sin? And when Mary was Naturally born from her mother's womb, Mary was WITHOUT Orginal Sin?

Glory to God,
Taken

Careful – your lack of intellect is showing again . . .

“YOUR conception” means when YOU were conceived – not when YOU got pregnant.

“MARY’S conception” means when MARY was conceived – not when MARY got pregnant.

If you know your Scripture and your Greek - and are honest (I’m NOT holding my breath) – you will understand Luke 1:28 in the context in which it was written.

For an explanation of this – see post #451, where I schooled your fellow Catholic-hater @Ezra about it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Evidence of your claims?

Glory to God,
Taken

John 4:24
Acts 2:27

 

[Nondenom40]

How can a vessel be chosen and unimportant at the same time? If you were to say MY mother "was no more important than rahab the harlot" in our presence, I would punch you in the face; it would be natural to do so. The only rationale I can theorize for such a demonic statement is that you were abused by your own mother. In Catholic theology, God judges perfectly, and takes all things into account, especially the deep seated scars that makes certain sins easy to come by. Especially the horrors we may have experienced in early childhood. It's not an excuse, it's called "diminished culpability". When you die your life races before you, you will then stand before Jesus with all the vile things you said about His mother. But be not afraid, He knows it's not entirely your fault. The fire of His love for you will burn off that shit.

Spoken like a true compassionate roman catholic. Paul says in 2 Tim 2 'with gentleness correcting those who are in oppostition....' The roman catholic gospel is punch them then curse them.

The fact is, the roman catholic mary is in no way shape or form the Mary of the n.t. So speaking ill of the roman catholic mary is in fact defending the real Mary of scripture.

 

[Philip James]

In the Catholic tradition and teaching, By all appearences, Beyond remembering Mary, Mary IS "exalted". (Which to me appeared to be Ezra's point and his disagreement with such point).

Hello Taken,

Frankly, it is impossible for us to exalt Mary more than God already has in choosing her to be His mother.
Everything Mary is flows from who Jesus is:
She is the Queen mother, because He is the King.
She is the mother of God because Jesus is God.

To compare her to a harlot (even one who aided Israel) is disrespectful.

Do you think Jesus doesn't care when people disrespect His mother?

Peace be with you!

 

[Nondenom40]

Hello Taken,

Frankly, it is impossible for us to exalt Mary more than God already has in choosing her to be His mother.
Everything Mary is flows from who Jesus is:
She is the Queen mother, because He is the King.
She is the mother of God because Jesus is God.

To compare her to a harlot (even one who aided Israel) is disrespectful.

Do you think Jesus doesn't care when people disrespect His mother?

Peace be with you!

Sorry but nowhere does God or anyone else call mary a queen. Nowhere does God or anyone else call mary mother of god. Why not just stick to what the bible actually says about her instead of making a bunch of stuff up?

 

[Mungo]

Sorry but nowhere does God or anyone say just stick to what the bible actually says.

The Bible doesn't actually say that Jesus is God.
But perhaps you don't believe that.

The Bible doesn't actually say that that God is Trinity.
But perhaps you don't believe that.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sorry but nowhere does God or anyone else call mary a queen. Nowhere does God or anyone else call mary mother of god. Why not just stick to what the bible actually says about her instead of making a bunch of stuff up?

Sooooooo, unless you deny that Jesus is God – you cannot deny that Mary is the MOTHER of God.

Mary = Mother of Jesus
Jesus = God

This isn’t rocket science – it’s quite simple, really . . .

 

[Ezra]

Ahhhh, I see they brought in the “D” team.
Time for a Bible and linguistics lesson, sparky . . .

According to Luke’s Gospel, when the Angel visited Mary, Luke uses the Greek work Kecharitomene, to describe the angel’s greeting of Mary. Gabriel didn’t call her “Mary”, or “Highly favored one” - but “Kecharitomene” (Luke 1:28).

This word is the perfect passive participle, indicating a completed action – with a permanent result. It translates as “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.”

NOBODY else in ALL of Scripture is endowed with this title. NOBODY is described as being “Kecharitomene” other than Mary.

When ignorant people like you make the kinds of Scripturally-bankrupt claims you just made – it speaks VOLUMES about how little you understand the Word of God.

ok buddy you want a slam fest of insults your going to get them. you have a form of Godliness but deny the power there of . i really have doubts you being capable of having a adult like conversation . you probably flunked sand box.. tell you what you go pray to mary so you can talk to jesus . your theology you hold to. has a great chance of getting you a one way ticket to the white throne judgment . that is mius from judging you.. Mary can no more get you into heaven than Rahab the harlot . which might i add had she not been in the plan there would be no mary . you are such a bamboozling fool your pathetic .. I AM THROUGH WITH YOUR MYTHOLOGY . you and mary have a happy life . you get a brain look me up DUMBO

 

[Ezra]

Sorry but nowhere does God or anyone say just stick to what the bible actually says.

The Bible doesn't actually say that Jesus is God.
But perhaps you don't believe that.

The Bible doesn't actually say that that God is Trinity.
But perhaps you don't believe that.

they come in packs lol