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The issue of when immortality is conferred, is not one that we should quibble over. All will be revealed in due course.
I contend that it does not and cannot happen until the GWT Judgment. You believe it happens at the Return, but John 5:24 does not give timing.
John 3:16 also does not say when, but Eternal life is for Eternity. Revelation 21 & 22
After the Millennium is also logical, as why should there be immortals alongside people who can die, during the Millennium? Isaiah 65:20

I'm not quibbling. The Scripture is a no brainer...

John 5:21
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom He will.
KJV

John 5:24
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him That sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
KJV


Jesus had just remarked how The Father raises the dead and quickeneth them, and even so with Jesus The Son. So the subject is there right before verse 24.

And verse 24 is about "everlasting life" being given the believer upon flesh death. That is what it means not coming into condemnation after death. This Message is also in prep for what He says in verses 28-29 about the 2 types of resurrection that will occur on the day of His return...

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,


29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

KJV

That "resurrection of damnation" is the condemnation after death He was talking about. This is actually a confirmation of what happens to the believer and unbeliever after flesh death today, as He showed in the Luke 16 story of Lazarus and the rich man who both found themselves in Paradise, but on opposite sides.
 

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But then came hope! Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait on August 2, 1990. "Wait, wait!” the cries came from The Church of Paperback Sensationalism. (I call this theology dispensensationalism.) "It really will be Babylon. It won't be Russia after all. We've been wrong since 1855. No problem, though. We just need to shift a few gears. It's Iraq. Baghdad. The restoration of Babylon is almost here. It's coming soon!” Dallas Seminary professor Charles Dyer's book was published in January, 1991, The Rise of Babylon: Sign of the End Time. Babylon was on the map again! So was Dallas Seminary. Hot stuff!

This is a little different topic... on an old post at that. I remember when Saddam Hussein's troops left Kuwait and lit the oil wells on fire, leaving a mess to clean up. My parents had a copy of David Wilkerson's "Set the Trumpet to Thy Mouth" and I was looking through it. I came across part of the book that said that the oil wells of the middle east would be set on fire as a sign of the coming destruction of America. That wasn't an exact quote, but the general gist. The book used verses from Isaiah interpreted to refer to a nuclear strike from Russia on the US. It still could happen since they still have the nukes even if they aren't the old USSR.
 

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I thought some of you might get a kick out of this excerpt from an old book I almost forgot I had.

Failed Prophecies

What's a failed prophet to do? What would you do? Since 1855, dispensationalism's supposed experts in "fulfilled prophecy in our day” have told millions of their followers (i.e., victims) that the Rapture was just around the corner because Russia ("Magog") will soon invade Israel. Then came the establishment of the nation of Israel on May 14, 1948. The generation of the fig tree had begun! Only 40 more years until the Millennium! Only 33 more years until the absolutely Secret Rapture! 1981 is coming! Get ready! Get Set!

[This was written 26 years ago. (It is 2019 as of this post) Willie T]

No go; 1981 came and went. Nothing happened. The next major date was May 14, 1988, the 40th anniversary of the establishment of the State of Israel — the "generation of the fig tree,” 1948-1988. May 14 came and went. Nothing happened. No Rapture. Again.

"No, no,” said Edgar C. Whisenant in July, 1988, "it's going to be this September!” September came and went. Nothing happened. "No, no,” said Mr. Whisenant, "I forgot about the extra year in zero A.D. It's going to be in September, 1989.” September, 1989, came and went. Nothing happened. In November, the Berlin Wall came down. A big problem was brewing. Where was national Israel's invader? No invasion — no Rapture!

But then came hope! Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait on August 2, 1990. "Wait, wait!” the cries came from The Church of Paperback Sensationalism. (I call this theology dispensensationalism.) "It really will be Babylon. It won't be Russia after all. We've been wrong since 1855. No problem, though. We just need to shift a few gears. It's Iraq. Baghdad. The restoration of Babylon is almost here. It's coming soon!” Dallas Seminary professor Charles Dyer's book was published in January, 1991, The Rise of Babylon: Sign of the End Time. Babylon was on the map again! So was Dallas Seminary. Hot stuff!

Even before Dr. Dyer got into the race for royalties, retired Dallas Seminary president John Walvoord spotted a fabulous new market for his 1974 Armageddon prophecy book that had gone out of print. Once again, the gullible victims streamed into the book stores to get the inside dope. The cash registers hummed. Royalties flowed. One million copies of this resurrected potboiler had been sold by February (Time, Feb. 11, 1991).

But then a funny thing happened on the night of January 16, 1991. Our Air Force began the smashing of "Babylon.” Over the next month, bombs smashed Iraq flat. Flatter than the collected works of Hal Lindsey. Thud. "It's revised edition time!"

Hoaxed Again!
The realization began to dawn on the hapless troops in the pews: hoaxed again. Again! Nuts! People don't like to be hoaxed. Christians don't like to be hoaxed in the name of Jesus. Fundamentalists love to be thrilled. They love sensationalism. But at some point, their resentment about being hoaxed overcomes their love of endlessly false prophecies.

Then came the week of August 19. Thud. Down went Dzerzhinsky's statue. Down went the dreams of the Communist Party's leaders. Boris Pugo shot his wife and killed himself. Marshal Akhromeyev committed suicide. Soviet Communism died. It's over.

So is Hal Lindsey's reputation as a prophet. So is John Walvoord's. Walvoord, at 80, lived to see it. I regard this as evidence that God has a marvelous sense of humor.

I wonder how it feels. To be a Communist who lives long enough to have seen this. To be a best-selling paperback book author whose specialty is false prophecies about Russia's coming invasion of Israel. To see the work of your life get flushed down the commode of history. ("This can't be happening. It just can't!") It must be painful. I hope so.

The day after Dzerzhinsky's statue crashed to the ground in what was then called Dzerzhinsky Square, but what will soon be called something else, Paul Crouch announced to his Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) viewers: "We need to get Hal Lindsey on the show to explain the meaning of what has happened.” Indeed you do, Paul. Let him try to reconcile these events for your emotionally victimized followers. Let him play the "identify Babylon” game one more time. Let's see Hal Lindsey dance the "Whisenant two-step.” It greatly resembles "Montezuma's two-step.” In both dances, the pressure is intense. There will be dozens of Whisenant two-steppers in 1992, the year of the revised editions.

Rapture Postponed
It's all over. The curtain has come down. The Rapture has been postponed. Again. A dispensationalist can still argue that the inevitable invasion of Israel by Russia may take place in a hundred years or a thousand, but the troops in the pews have been told for 135 years that this event is imminent. The Rapture was due at any moment because Russia was going to invade the State of Israel in any moment plus seven years. "The clock of prophecy is ticking again!” shouted all those best-selling authors who never bothered to tell their hapless followers that according to original dispensational theology, the clock of prophecy will not start ticking until after the Rapture. It's "any-moment Rapture” vs. "ticking clock today."

Even John Walvoord couldn't resist those fabulous book royalties (1.6 million copies, as of August). He had to get back into the pop-dispensationalist parade. He announced that the clock of prophecy was again ticking (USA Today, Jan. 19, 1991). He abandoned the doctrine of the any-moment Rapture, which he had long taught. He thereby baptized Hal Lindsey's "just around the corner” eschatology. And then… thud. Goodbye reputation.

Smashed. Smashed. Smashed by Norman Schwarzkopf in January and by Boris Yeltsin in August. Flattened. Dead. "Rapture postponed indefinitely.” What now?

I most certainly shake my head at those who have tried, and failed, to predict our Lords return. But I suspect even most Dispensationalists do that too...even of 'their own'. Not every Dispensationalists thinks they can or should try and pin the tail on the return date, thankfully. And not every 'kook' who tried to predict the future is within that camp either.
 

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I most certainly shake my head at those who ...

... add to Scripture! They assert that because no man knows the DAY or the HOUR, that they can't know the week; month; season; year (1); decade (10); score (20); century (100); daytona (500); or millennia (1,000).

Of course a thinking person might consider that WE CAN KNOW THE FEAST (and thereby the YEAR, SEASON, MONTH, & WEEK), but because this particular FEAST lasts several days, we just can't know the DAY or the HOUR!


But some people LIKE being in the DARK:

1 Thess. 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.


I guess FALSE TEACHINGS from the pulpit supersede Scripture! :)
Bobby Jo
 
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This is a little different topic... on an old post at that. I remember when Saddam Hussein's troops left Kuwait and lit the oil wells on fire, leaving a mess to clean up. My parents had a copy of David Wilkerson's "Set the Trumpet to Thy Mouth" and I was looking through it. I came across part of the book that said that the oil wells of the middle east would be set on fire as a sign of the coming destruction of America. That wasn't an exact quote, but the general gist. The book used verses from Isaiah interpreted to refer to a nuclear strike from Russia on the US. It still could happen since they still have the nukes even if they aren't the old USSR.

It seems to me that we should expect a greater number of oil fields to be set on fire in accordance with Ezekiel 38 & 39 in the near future (maybe 6 months) and then a global thermonuclear war in about another 2 years. So you should still anticipate BOTH, but not necessarily at the same time.

And if course, it might have helped these "Prophecy Experts" to have a more complete perspective of Bible prophecy including: Psalms (Ref. J.R. Church, "Hidden Prophecies In the Psalms"); and in the Book of Daniel -- in which they've fallen prey to believe ancient fulfillments instead of obeying the angel's instructions in 12:4 & 9.


Just remember, we see through a glass darkly, -- yet some better than others,
Bobby Jo
 

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... add to Scripture! They assert that because no man knows the DAY or the HOUR, that they can't know the week; month; season; year (1); decade (10); score (20); century (100); daytona (500); or millennia (1,000).

Of course a thinking person might consider that WE CAN KNOW THE FEAST (and thereby the YEAR, SEASON, MONTH, & WEEK), but because this particular FEAST lasts several days, we just can't know the DAY or the HOUR!


But some people LIKE being in the DARK:

1 Thess. 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.


I guess FALSE TEACHINGS from the pulpit supersede Scripture! :)
Bobby Jo

Yes, and I shake my head at them. I cannot quite see how they can wiggle around these verses, personally. I think some do it just because they are so keen for his return...which makes it a little better, but still not right. Others, however, seem to do it just for a buck and for followers. And...they'll have their day before Christ, I suppose.
I think the only thing in scripture that speaks of us 'knowing' about Christ's return is Luke 21:28, that says that when we 'see all these things begin to take place, to look up, because our redemption draws near'. The problem, of course, is defining exactly what 'these things' are, and the specificity of 'draws near'.
 

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... I think the only thing in scripture that speaks of us 'knowing' about Christ's return is Luke 21:28 ...

And THAT's the problem. There's an old saying: Ignorance can be cured, but stupidity is forever. So the question is, -- what should you know that adds to your current information?!?

So for starters, are you familiar with the concept proposed by J.R. Church (deceased as of March, 2011) in his 1995 book "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms"? it's a fairly simple premise where he presents the premise (proposed by his "Prophecy In The News" TV program viewer letters) where the 19th Book of the Bible (Psalms) appears to be prophetic for the 1900's, -- Chapter for year --, such that Book 19, Chapter 48 is prophetic for the 19-48 International Recognition of the State of Israel; etc.

The PSALMS provides the timeline which we would otherwise be ignorant of!

Bobby Jo
 

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And THAT's the problem. There's an old saying: Ignorance can be cured, but stupidity is forever. So the question is, -- what should you know that adds to your current information?!?

So for starters, are you familiar with the concept proposed by J.R. Church (deceased as of March, 2011) in his 1995 book "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms"? it's a fairly simple premise where he presents the premise (proposed by his "Prophecy In The News" TV program viewer letters) where the 19th Book of the Bible (Psalms) appears to be prophetic for the 1900's, -- Chapter for year --, such that Book 19, Chapter 48 is prophetic for the 19-48 International Recognition of the State of Israel; etc.

The PSALMS provides the timeline which we would otherwise be ignorant of!

Bobby Jo

Wow, way to start a conversation dude, calling a person stupid forever. Nice!
And Psalm 48 says nothing about a timeline! Goodness me, the straws people will grasp!
1 Thess 5:2 implies not that the people of God have 'special knowledge' that will allow them to know when Jesus is coming, it just means that AS Christ's own, we do not sleep and we are not in darkness. We are ever awake to the hope of his return. Someone cannot be caught out if they live in a state of expectation...if they always have extra oil for their lamps.
 
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And THAT's the problem. There's an old saying: Ignorance can be cured, but stupidity is forever. So the question is, -- what should you know that adds to your current information?!?

So for starters, are you familiar with the concept proposed by J.R. Church (deceased as of March, 2011) in his 1995 book "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms"? it's a fairly simple premise where he presents the premise (proposed by his "Prophecy In The News" TV program viewer letters) where the 19th Book of the Bible (Psalms) appears to be prophetic for the 1900's, -- Chapter for year --, such that Book 19, Chapter 48 is prophetic for the 19-48 International Recognition of the State of Israel; etc.

The PSALMS provides the timeline which we would otherwise be ignorant of!

Bobby Jo
UH...… You stretched all that out of these verses?

Psalm 48
A song. A psalm of the Sons of Korah.
1 Great is the Lord, and most worthy of praise,
in the city of our God, his holy mountain.

2 Beautiful in its loftiness,
the joy of the whole earth,
like the heights of Zaphonb is Mount Zion,'
the city of the Great King.
3 God is in her citadels;
he has shown himself to be her fortress.

4 When the kings joined forces,
when they advanced together,
5 they saw her and were astounded;
they fled in terror.
6 Trembling seized them there,
pain like that of a woman in labor.
7 You destroyed them like ships of Tarshish
shattered by an east wind.

8 As we have heard,
so we have seen
in the city of the Lord Almighty,
in the city of our God:
God makes her secure
forever.

9 Within your temple, O God,
we meditate on your unfailing love.
10 Like your name, O God,
your praise reaches to the ends of the earth;
your right hand is filled with righteousness.
11 Mount Zion rejoices,
the villages of Judah are glad
because of your judgments.

12 Walk about Zion, go around her,
count her towers,
13 consider well her ramparts,
view her citadels,
that you may tell of them
to the next generation.

14 For this God is our God for ever and ever;
he will be our guide even to the end.
 
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... Psalm 48 says nothing about a timeline! ...

The 19th Book of the Bible, Chapter 48, depicts the 19-48 International Recognition of the State of Israel. As such there IS an established time-line in the Book of Psalms.

Now if you want the Book of Psalms to explicitly state that the Chapters are Prophetic for the 1900's, -- you won't find it --, exactly as you accuse. However, if you examine the Chapters of Psalms in context with modern Jewish history, you should find those Prophetic alignments, -- provided you're sufficiently familiar with modern Jewish History, FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE.

But DON'T STOP at Chapter 48. Read the other Chapters to see if they work. Try Chapter 44 (verses 11 & 22 -- multiples of 11) against the creamatorium ovens operating at capacity. Or how about the SCUD missiles raining down on Israel in 1991, -- did Israel join the battle, or did they only watch with their eyes?


Or you may want default to may favorite Aunt's tease: My mind's made up, don't confuse me with the facts!
Bobby Jo
 

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To All,

It looks like a better title for this Topic should be "Failed Prophetic Studies", because GOD provides Prophetic TRUTH to HIS church, but first the church must understand what HE says (i.e., seeing through a glass darkly), and then we must receive it, (i.e., ignorance can be cured, but stupidity is forever).

And it's important that we judge the prophets (1 Cor. 14:29), but that requires researching the evidence, which takes effort. -- And it's easier to scoff than have to think! :)
Bobby Jo
 
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UH...… You stretched all that out of these verses?

Psalm 48
A song. A psalm of the Sons of Korah.
1 Great is the Lord, and most worthy of praise,
in the city of our God, his holy mountain.

2 Beautiful in its loftiness,
the joy of the whole earth,
like the heights of Zaphonb is Mount Zion,'
the city of the Great King.
3 God is in her citadels;
he has shown himself to be her fortress.

4 When the kings joined forces,
when they advanced together,
5 they saw her and were astounded;
they fled in terror.
6 Trembling seized them there,
pain like that of a woman in labor.
7 You destroyed them like ships of Tarshish
shattered by an east wind.

8 As we have heard,
so we have seen
in the city of the Lord Almighty,
in the city of our God:
God makes her secure
forever.

9 Within your temple, O God,
we meditate on your unfailing love.
10 Like your name, O God,
your praise reaches to the ends of the earth;
your right hand is filled with righteousness.
11 Mount Zion rejoices,
the villages of Judah are glad
because of your judgments.

12 Walk about Zion, go around her,
count her towers,
13 consider well her ramparts,
view her citadels,
that you may tell of them
to the next generation.

14 For this God is our God for ever and ever;
he will be our guide even to the end.

Must have taken some doing to get all that out of Psalm 48. I see nothing of the sort in that Psalm.
 
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Must have taken some doing to get all that out of Psalm 48. I see nothing of the sort in that Psalm.

... and no Holocaust in Chapter 44 (verses 11 & 22, multiples of 11); or Desert Storm in Chapter 91; or Obama in his inauguration year of 109 (19-109=2009)? And if I recall correctly, weren't two nuclear weapons dropped over Hiroshima and Nagasaki ("dread deeds") in 1945?

These are significant Historical events which appear to parallel the Psalms, -- and you haven't even been presented confirmation from the Book of Daniel!


The MORE you know about History and Scripture, the MORE the premise is substantiated, AND the more evidence for knowing the YEAR when Jesus will return, and of course we should already know the SEASON and possibly the specific FEAST. :)
Bobby Jo
 
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... and no Holocaust in Chapter 44 (verses 11 & 22, multiples of 11); or Desert Storm in Chapter 91; or Obama in his inauguration year of 109 (19-109=2009)? And if I recall correctly, weren't two nuclear weapons dropped over Hiroshima and Nagasaki ("dread deeds") in 1945?

These are significant Historical events which appear to parallel the Psalms, -- and you haven't even been presented confirmation from the Book of Daniel!


The MORE you know about History and Scripture, the MORE the premise is substantiated, AND the more evidence for knowing the YEAR when Jesus will return, and of course we should already know the SEASON and possibly the specific FEAST. :)
Bobby Jo

Acts 1:7-11 " He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

I know we know the "season" but, since it is "not for us to know the times or dates..." why do so many keep trying to pinpoint it? We are to be ready no matter what...even The Son does not know the time...yet, at least not until God SPEAKS...THEN The Word (Jesus) will know. I am not as up on this stuff as some of you because it is not a concern of mine to know something we were already told "It is not FOR us to know..."
If Christ Himself does not know the day or hour...what makes us think that we could?
It is quite intriguing and tempting to want to know this but, simply said..."it is not for us to know... :)
Peace!
 
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Acts 1:7-11 " He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

I know we know the "season" but, since it is "not for us to know the times or dates..." why do so many keep trying to pinpoint it? We are to be ready no matter what...even The Son does not know the time...yet, at least not until God SPEAKS...THEN The Word (Jesus) will know. I am not as up on this stuff as some of you because it is not a concern of mine to know something we were already told "It is not FOR us to know..."
If Christ Himself does not know the day or hour...what makes us think that we could?
It is quite intriguing and tempting to want to know this but, simply said..."it is not for us to know... :)
Peace!

Hi Nancy,
There are three audiences. One is the unsaved; the second is the people he was speaking to at the time; and the third is those in the end times. Your quote was for the second group, and 1 Thess 5 is for the third group:

1 Thess 5
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Scripture tells us we can't know the "day or the hour", but the church preaches that we can't know anything, which is a direct contradiction of 1 Thessalonians 5. So which is it? Do we believe Scripture or do we believe lies? And if we believe Scripture, then where do we find guidance so that we can know the YEAR, and thereby the SEASON, and possibly the actual FEAST ( -- a multi-day FEAST where we CAN'T know which day or hour -- ) in which Jesus will return?

I would simply propose that the Book of Psalms provides Prophetic guidance as to the year. So do you know what year is 70 years after the International Recognition of the State of Israel? Do you also know which Chapter is the SHORTEST Chapter in all Scripture? Do you also know which Chapter is the LONGEST Chapter in all Scripture? And do you know which Chapter is the MIDDLE Chapter in all Scripture? -- And are these by design, or by coincidence?

If by "coincidence" then you are correct. However, if by design, then you need to consider that GOD is correct, -- and HE has hidden HIS Word from the unbelieving; and preserving it for his children! :)

Jeremiah 33:2 3 Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you great and hidden things which you have not known.

Bobby Jo

PS And the Book of Daniel CONFIRMS the Psalms premise ...
 
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The 19th Book of the Bible, Chapter 48, depicts the 19-48 International Recognition of the State of Israel. As such there IS an established time-line in the Book of Psalms.

Now if you want the Book of Psalms to explicitly state that the Chapters are Prophetic for the 1900's, -- you won't find it --, exactly as you accuse. However, if you examine the Chapters of Psalms in context with modern Jewish history, you should find those Prophetic alignments, -- provided you're sufficiently familiar with modern Jewish History, FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE.

But DON'T STOP at Chapter 48. Read the other Chapters to see if they work. Try Chapter 44 (verses 11 & 22 -- multiples of 11) against the creamatorium ovens operating at capacity. Or how about the SCUD missiles raining down on Israel in 1991, -- did Israel join the battle, or did they only watch with their eyes?


Or you may want default to may favorite Aunt's tease: My mind's made up, don't confuse me with the facts!
Bobby Jo
I'm sorry, but...I just don't see any facts. I see straws being grasped wildly.
But hey...whatever floats your boat, I suppose.
 

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I'm not understanding,of course no one knows the date,however one who studies the Word should know the season.

Mark 13
Matthew 24 and
Luke 21 gives us everything that will and must happen before His return

In fact Mark 13 gives us the seals of Revelations

One of the most talked about subjects today is the end times and all the events that surround those times. There is no reason that we be anxious of these times, for Jesus told us to wait patiently on Him. In Mark 13 Jesus is going to give His disciples, and to us the seven seals, and these seals are also recorded in the Book of Revelation. They are the seals that mark the end of this earth age of the flesh. The very word "Revelation" means "to reveal", to make known.

Christ would not His elect in the dark concerning the simplicity of His teaching, so Jesus is asked by three of His apostles here, as they are coming out of the Temple, when is the end of the world going to be. We know from Matthew 24:3, this is the actual wording of the question put to Jesus.

Matthew 24:3 "And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be and what shall be the sign of "Thy coming, and the end of the world."

It is important that we understand the word "world" as used in the Greek manuscripts, is "aion", and "age, or an age of time". In the Hebrew, " `olam", which denotes a limited, or even an extended period of time, such as the context of each occurrence may demand. So as such, this is talking about the end of our present world age which is characterized by a special form of Divine administration or dispensation.

Jesus is giving us in this chapter the seven events that must come to pass to bring to an end to this age, and the return of Christ. There are many church traditions that have complicate the simplicity the Jesus is teaching here. This is why we should have our ear tuned to the Lord Jesus Christ, and not to man's traditions. So the subject to this entire chapter is, "When is the end of this world age, and what are the events that mark that coming."

Remember that the closing thought to the last chapter was the little widow that had enough faith to give all over her livelihood to God and put here trust in God for provision. So don't forget that the famine in the end times is not for the bread that you eat, but for the knowledge and truth of God's Word.

Amos 8:11 "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:"

There will be a famine coming very shortly for the knowledge, and for the hearing of the Word of God.

Mark 13:1 "And as He went out of the temple, one of His disciples saith unto Him, "Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!"

This was the time of the end of Jesus Ministry, and Jesus and His disciples were in Jerusalem where Jesus was about to be turned over to the Kenite priests, scribes and Pharisees to be tried and crucified. The disciples have been warned over and over that He would be crucified and on the third day He would rise from the dead. However, the disciples understood from the prophets that their is another time coming when Jesus shall return not as a servant, but as the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.

Josephus give us a very good picture of the dimension and size of these stones. Some of them were up to forty feet long, given in the measurements of our day. Many of these stone still stand to this day, as we see the pictures of the wailing wall of the temple base in Jerusalem. The disciples are looking at these great building of the temple in Jerusalem, and they are marveling at their beauty.

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Bobby Jo

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I'm not understanding,of course no one knows the date, ...

We base our judgments on FACTS, not opinions, -- unless it's the Democratically controlled House "Intelligence Committee", which accepts EVERYTHING except FACTS.

So when you say that no one knows the date, -- could you clarify your assertion*? -- Are you saying that no one knows the WEEK; MONTH; SEASON; YEAR (1); SCORE (10); DECADE (20); CENTURY (100); DAYTONA (500); or MILLENNIA (1,000)? Or are you simply citing where Matt. 24:36 says "no man knows the DAY or the HOUR"?

Now if it's the former, then I guess Scripture is WRONG where it suggests the YEAR. But if the latter, then you are CORRECT! :) Now this doesn't suggest that you know WHERE and HOW to discover the YEAR in which Jesus will apparently RETURN; or that you know because Jesus will return during a multi-day FEAST, that we can know the FEAST (and respective YEAR), just NOT the specific DAY or the HOUR within that FEAST.

* Please note that there are three potential audiences for a passage of Scripture:
1. Those who are outside the faith.
2. Those who are alive at the time, which may expect Jesus to IMMEDIATELY RETURN as KING.
3. Those who will be alive at the time of the end, -- typical of 1 Thess. 5.​


But it's something altogether different if where we see through a glass darkly, that you choose to NOT SEE, -- and thus prefer BLINDNESS.
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