I ask the Trinitarians and the Jehovah's Witnesses...

[Cooper]

On the contrary FollowHim, I love Jesus Christ because he did what I couldn't do, but was incumbent for me to do, love God with all my heart, soul and mind. Because He did the perfect thing to do, by his own free will and wisdom, love God as is due. This is why he was exalted to the position that he was, which also, makes absolutely no sense if he were already God. And it is for these reasons, and many more, that he cannot be God.
Your are confusing two very distinct principles, but are spinning them in a way that you think sounds glorious, but is actually absurd on so many accounts.

Could you imagine any man/woman who could do as Jesus did?
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[DNB]

Could you imagine any man/woman who could do as Jesus did?
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I definitely can't see any merit or soundness, in God doing what Jesus did, i.e. love and obey Himself to redeem man.

 

[Cooper]

I definitely can't see any merit or soundness, in God doing what Jesus did, i.e. love and obey Himself to redeem man.

Even very ordinary people do that on a human level. They do not order themselves to go into a burning building, they just do it, perhaps loosing their own life in the process.

So you think there is no merit or soundness in that?
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[DNB]

Even very ordinary people do that on a human level. They do not order themselves to go into a burning building, they just do it, perhaps loosing their own life in the process.

So you think there is no merit or soundness in that?
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Cooper, you're driving me nuts!!!!! You keep replying in a manner unrelated to the point that i am trying to make.
I said love and obey HIMSELF!!!!

 

[Cooper]

Cooper, you're driving me nuts!!!!! You keep replying in a manner unrelated to the point that i am trying to make.
I said love and obey HIMSELF!!!!

Then re-Read post 82 as if you were someone else reading it, because to me it looks as though you are saying that what Jesus did was unsound and without merit.
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[mjrhealth]

When people deny Jesus is God, this is not the Spirit of God speaking. God bless you

That Jesus is not the Christ,

Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

And that is why there is so much confusion so few seek His face. Too much study not enough Jesus

And by the way no where are we required to believe Jesus is God, that is you as all religious do, adding to,

Mar 12:35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David?
Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Mar 12:37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

 

[JunChosen]

mjrhealth said: ↑
And that is why there is so much confusion so few seek His face. Too much study not enough Jesus
And by the way no where are we required to believe Jesus is God, that is you as all religious do,

The call to the world by God is : "Believe in my Son!" What do you suppose this means? The answer:

"I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that (I am) he, ye shall die in your sins."

The printer of the KJV Bible is warning the reader that italicized words (in this case the underlined word: "he") in the KJV was not in the original manuscripts.

To God Be The Glory

 

[DNB]

Then re-Read post 82 as if you were someone else reading it, because to me it looks as though you are saying that what Jesus did was unsound and without merit.
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JESUS AS GOD, is unsound and without merit. God cannot love and obey Himself, to any salvic efficacy or judicial soundness for man.
It's what the whole conversation has been about, for crying out loud!!!!

 

[Joseph77]

JESUS AS GOD, is unsound and without merit.

Both the Father Almighty
and Jesus Elohim Hamashiach (also God),
differ with you dnb.

but even they will not coerce you to change you mind.

However, since the Father's mercy is so great and unmeasurable,
If He has not already given you over to believe your own delusions (His Choice),
then
perhaps , over however long it takes, He will let you find out the sin in those who taught you ...
and
if you seek the truth and believe the truth, the truth (God's Promise here) will set you free from the deception,
whether it was your choice or someone else's deception that deceived you.

 

[Waiting on him]

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Wow, I didn't know that posting short meaningless replies was against the rules

 

[Heart2Soul]

Wow, I didn't know that posting short meaningless replies was against the rules

? You did read the rules and agree to them when you joined right?
And I have no clue what you mean by short meaningless replies....every reply has meaning....even Jesus said we will be judged by every idle word we speak.

 

[Waiting on him]

? You did read the rules and agree to them when you joined right?
And I have no clue what you mean by short meaningless replies....every reply has meaning....even Jesus said we will be judged by every idle word we speak.

That's the first time I ever saw them, I think.

 

[Heart2Soul]

That's the first time I ever saw them, I think.

Haha...ya just told on yourself... you didn't read them when you first joined...

 

[DNB]

Both the Father Almighty
and Jesus Elohim Hamashiach (also God),
differ with you dnb.

but even they will not coerce you to change you mind.

However, since the Father's mercy is so great and unmeasurable,
If He has not already given you over to believe your own delusions (His Choice),
then
perhaps , over however long it takes, He will let you find out the sin in those who taught you ...
and
if you seek the truth and believe the truth, the truth (God's Promise here) will set you free from the deception,
whether it was your choice or someone else's deception that deceived you.

Joseph, stop being deceived.

 

[Cooper]

JESUS AS GOD, is unsound and without merit. God cannot love and obey Himself, to any salvic efficacy or judicial soundness for man.
It's what the whole conversation has been about, for crying out loud!!!!

Only God can save us from our sins and Jesus is the only Saviour. Think on these things.
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[Joseph77]

Joseph, stop being deceived.

Everyone bears the consquences of their own sin. If you reject Scripture, no one else , not even Jesus, can redeem you.

 

[Davy]

JESUS AS GOD, is unsound and without merit. God cannot love and obey Himself, to any salvic efficacy or judicial soundness for man.
It's what the whole conversation has been about, for crying out loud!!!!

According to Apostle John in 1 John 2, those are antichrists that deny Jesus is The Christ.

1 John 2:22-23
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
KJV

That doesn't just mean denying Jesus as a savior. It means denying that God came in the flesh as Jesus of Nazareth. The title of "the Christ" is a title that cannot apply to any sinner; it can only apply to God The Son who had no sin. This is why John says to deny Jesus as "the Christ" is also to deny The Father, and thus those who acknowledge Jesus as "the Christ", which means of course believing what the Old Testament prophets also said who He is, "Immanuel" which means 'God with us', those who believe have both The Father and The Son.

 

[DNB]

Only God can save us from our sins and Jesus is the only Saviour. Think on these things.
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How so?

 

[DNB]

Everyone bears the consquences of their own sin. If you reject Scripture, no one else , not even Jesus, can redeem you.

What is Scripture?

 

[DNB]

According to Apostle John in 1 John 2, those are antichrists that deny Jesus is The Christ.

1 John 2:22-23
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
KJV

That doesn't just mean denying Jesus as a savior. It means denying that God came in the flesh as Jesus of Nazareth. The title of "the Christ" is a title that cannot apply to any sinner; it can only apply to God The Son who had no sin. This is why John says to deny Jesus as "the Christ" is also to deny The Father, and thus those who acknowledge Jesus as "the Christ", which means of course believing what the Old Testament prophets also said who He is, "Immanuel" which means 'God with us', those who believe have both The Father and The Son.

Look up the word Christ. You either lied in this post, or have an incompetent understanding of salvation and perdition?