A Christian who deny Jesus is God in Flesh

[Ronald Nolette]

I think there may be people in certain religious groups who do not believe that Jesus is God in the flesh; maybe because they have been taught that by their elders. But I do think that some of them may well be Christians because God looks at the heart. Perhaps it isn't what we think in our minds that make us Christians but what we hold in our hearts.

What makes one a Christian is them trusting in the

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You now know what Alpha and Omega mean.

Yes and for some , they need to unlearn the false doctrine they were indoctrinated with concerning the person of Jesus! they will only do that through th eHoly Spirit illuminating their minds! I am convinced that one like a JW or Muslim can be saved, still have loads of false doctrine in their head, and then as they grow- they will unlearn the bad and learn the true. all of us entered salvation with false doctrine in our heads. We became new creatrures in Christ in that instant we placed out trust in HIm, but none of us became instant theologians in that same instant!

 

[justbyfaith]

Which is why I said that at first, a JW or Mormon can be saved without accepting the full deity of Christ- that is not the formula for salvation! However the Holy Spirit will teach them.

And the context of John 8 is not Jesus defending His absolute deity, but that He was the light of the Word and the Messiah sent by the Father. It does not argue the deity of Jesus. There are many many verses that we can use to show one that Jesus is equally God with His Father.

Yes and for some , they need to unlearn the false doctrine they were indoctrinated with concerning the person of Jesus! they will only do that through th eHoly Spirit illuminating their minds! I am convinced that one like a JW or Muslim can be saved, still have loads of false doctrine in their head, and then as they grow- they will unlearn the bad and learn the true. all of us entered salvation with false doctrine in our heads. We became new creatrures in Christ in that instant we placed out trust in HIm, but none of us became instant theologians in that same instant!

He would have to take them as far as sanctifying them in their doctrine before they die; because if they die rejecting the Deity of Christ, it will be in their sins.

If they call on the name of the wrong Jesus it will not be valid.

So, if the Jesus that they called upon reveals himself to not be the God who created them, they are not saved.

 

[Pearl]

What makes one a Christian is them trusting in the

. . . . Son of God!

 

[amadeus]

That scripture does not teach that the word of God is dead.

It tells us that the letter kills...

This can be taken in one of two ways:

1) It kills a man spiritually so that reading your Bible is conducive to spiritual death. I reject this propsition because of the sheer ludicrosity of it. We obviously grow spiritually when we read the word.

2) It is helpful in doing what the scripture says to do in Romans 8:13. This is the most excellent interpretation of the verse in question.

The letter is the dead, or unopened, Bible. When and if it is quickened by the Holy Spirit, then it is the Word of God. The letter kills because people misuse or abuse it like Nehushtan!

The Word of God is never dead, but sometimes what we read in the Bible is Not the Word of God. Jesus being the Word of God, when He spoke, always spoke Living Words. We, when we speak, even if it is quoted verbatim from the Bible speak the Word of God ONLY IF it has been quickened by the Holy Spirit for us to speak it.

 

[amadeus]

That would be @teamventure, the person that you were referring to in the post that I was responding to.

LOL well talk about muddying the waters! Carry on... I guess!

 

[jaybird]

I do not judge anyone, the Bible does.

John 1:1-14
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God and the Word became flesh.

2 John 7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, who confess not Jesus Christ coming in the flesh; this is the deceiver and the antichrist.

yet the bible does not say this:

A Christian who deny Jesus is God in Flesh

only you say that

 

[jaybird]

He is not the Father, He is the Son. People abuse that passage in Isaiah to make it mean something it was not intended to mean. Its a statement of Him being eternal, not one of Him being the Father in the Trinity.

Some people it shows lack discernment. And when Jesus tells philip he who has seen Me has seen the Father its a declaration that He is God just as the Father is God. Its a statement of equality.


hope this helps !!!

your responding to the wrong person, the justbyfaith guy thinks the Father is the Son

 

[jaybird]

Jesus is the Father and the Son...for they are the same Spirit.

The Son is distinct from the Father in that He is come in human flesh. That is what makes Him the Son.

Jesus is the Father and the Son yet Jesus said He was sent by the Father, you dont send yourself

 

[jaybird]

And then again who is in us?

"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:" Col 1:27

Are we also the Most High?

we have souls, when we die do those souls not go back to the Most High?

 

[ChristisGod]

your responding to the wrong person, the justbyfaith guy thinks the Father is the Son

agreed

 

[jaybird]

Greetings, gentlemen.

I'm curious about your position on this issue. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Creator, is He not?

God bless,
Hidden In Him

the Father is the creating power, Jesus is the vessel creation went through according to Paul and Plato.

 

[mjrhealth]

Greetings, gentlemen.

I'm curious about your position on this issue. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Creator, is He not?

God bless,
Hidden In Him

Ill make it as simple as I can

Isa_55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Joh_5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

oh_6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

Joh_8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Joh_5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Heb_12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

What else do you need to know.

 

[justbyfaith]

The letter is the dead, or unopened, Bible. When and if it is quickened by the Holy Spirit, then it is the Word of God. The letter kills because people misuse or abuse it like Nehushtan!

The Word of God is never dead, but sometimes what we read in the Bible is Not the Word of God. Jesus being the Word of God, when He spoke, always spoke Living Words. We, when we speak, even if it is quoted verbatim from the Bible speak the Word of God ONLY IF it has been quickened by the Holy Spirit for us to speak it.

I disagree with you.

If a man simply opens his Bible and reads it, it is the living word of God as he reads it.

Everything in the Bible is the word of God.

your responding to the wrong person, the justbyfaith guy thinks the Father is the Son

Actually, I have always said that the Father is not the Son but that the Son is the Father.

Because the Father is not come in human flesh except in the Person of the Son.

So there is the 1st person of the Trinity who is not come in human flesh...He is not the 2nd Person of the Trinity.

However, the 2nd person of the Trinity has the 1st Person (and the 3rd Person, Colossians 2:9) dwelling in Him; to the extent that His Spirit is the 1st Person of the Trinity (and the 3rd)...and these are the same Spirit (Ephesians 4:4).

All I'm saying is that the spirit of a person is a major aspect of who he is as a person. My spirit is not a different person from me.

agreed

You know what I believe on these issues; why would you misrepresent me here?

 

[justbyfaith]

Ill make it as simple as I can

Isa_55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Joh_5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

oh_6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

Joh_8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Joh_5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Heb_12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

What else do you need to know.

@mjrhealth, you agree that Jesus is the Word.

How is it that you do not agree that He is God?

Jhn 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Psa 90:2, Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

 

[mjrhealth]

Everything in the Bible is the word of God.

What even that what satan spoke???

Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

so Peter spoke the word of God straight from the mouth of satan...

 

[mjrhealth]

@mjrhealth, you agree that Jesus is the Word.

How is it that you do not agree that He is God?

Jhn 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Psa 90:2, Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Because He isnt, get over it...

 

[jaybird]

Actually, I have always said that the Father is not the Son but that the Son is the Father.

Because the Father is not come in human flesh except in the Person of the Son.

So there is the 1st person of the Trinity who is not come in human flesh...He is not the 2nd Person of the Trinity.

However, the 2nd person of the Trinity has the 1st Person (and the 3rd Person, Colossians 2:9) dwelling in Him; to the extent that His Spirit is the 1st Person of the Trinity (and the 3rd)...and these are the same Spirit (Ephesians 4:4).

so the question, is the Father the Son? answer, He is but He isn't.
typical trinity logic

 

[justbyfaith]

Because He isnt, get over it...

You have to deny the testimony of holy scripture to say that (and I think that you also can see this).

Jhn 5:39, Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Jhn 5:40, And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

 

[WaterSong]

but when you speak for someone else by definition you are speaking for someone else.

Now you pretend not to know how open communication works. You're using the old tactic of avoidance , pretending you don't know the basics in human communication. Let me assist your ignorance. Or more like, throttle your anti-theist Trolling.
Were I to speak for someone else I'd say, I believe ________________ means to say this.....
When I add my knowledge to a discussion, adding my information onto what someone else has attempted and failed to communicate to you, because you have no intention of changing your stance because you are not here to engage Christians on a respectful platform, that is my knowledge speaking from and for myself.
If you don't get that and make yet another lame dodge reply to that, that tells everything we need to know about your purpose here.
Not that I'll be reading you from here out.

but you didnt answer the question. thats what we call dodging.

We?
Actually, what you're doing now is what I call , lying.
You don't like the truth. That's too bad. The Truth of God IN Christ, is eternal. It isn't debatable. Jesus said it! Woe to those who call him, as you do when you claim he and the Father are not one and the same, a liar.

the bible does not say it, you inserting your assumption into the text does not count, sorry.

Yes, you are sorry. And unless you change, shall be for all eternity. There's one unforgivable sin and you've transgressed into it. There's an atheist Blog labeled, God is Hate 101. It is vulgar beyond belief in its sponsors hate for Christians and Christianity. And yet, if one can stomach scrolling through it they'll find the precise style of post tactics that you're committing to here.
The Bible says it. You deny it and that is the tactic of the adversary. Who was a liar from the beginning. And has many a disciple walking this planet and helping him to deceive.

For the sake of newbie Christians who may follow your post agenda and take you seriously, allow me to be very clear for the sake of you all. ANYONE who tells you Jesus is not God, IS A LIAR FROM THE PIT OF HELL! And A DISCIPLE OF SATAN, GOD'S ADVERSARY!
Precisely like the tactics employed by the one I rebuke in the name of Jesus Christ!

Anyone anywhere who says Jesus was not God, is a LIAR! When Jesus said this of himself, those who insist Jesus was not God are Blasphemer's! On the Net or off! They are liars. And on the Net most likely they're Trolling!

• 25 Important Bible Verses That Say Jesus Is God
• Is Jesus God in the Flesh?

The sincere seeker is able to find far more Biblical proof that Jesus was God if they search those keywords: Bible Jesus Was God. Or/ Biblical proof Jesus was God.

This one I address I also rebuke in the name of The Most High! Get behind us Satan! In the name of Jesus Christ!

That one also made mention in this thread that Jesus spent hardly any time, if any at all, speaking of his own nature. That too is a lie!
Bible the nature of Jesus - Google Search

Each and every time Jesus spoke of himself as being one and the same as God the Father, he was speaking of and to his divine nature.
And there are also scriptures that speak of and to this also because Jesus was, in the beginning. And as such he figures prominently in the Old Testament. As well as the New. 7 Bible verses about Christ's Nature

if the bible clearly says it then why in the world did the church have to burn people alive for a thousand years to force them into believing? Jesus and the 12 didnt do that btw.

You really don't know what you're talking about.

During the Inquisitions, people did not have as much of an opportunity to possess a Bible as they do today. Under the edict of the Catholic church and for some time, being found with a Bible, as someone not of the elite caste, was a death penalty offense.
But that doesn't speak to those who were burned alive by members of the church. The reason those people were put to the stake, the guillotine, or hanged, depending on what part of the world they were in, is because they did not believe! Roasting people alive before a crowd of pagans commanded to attend the execution and having them watch their neighbor(s) suffer the flame is a great conversion tactic that was perfected by the Roman church!

No mention of being Christian in your profile, and I read why.
On a personal observation,speaking for myself as usual, in my years on the Net I've noted, even as a moderator at one time, that it is always a mistake to tolerate atheists in Christian forums.

However, if they must be permitted to attend in the hopes they'll see the light and save their soul by finding Christ by spending time in such forums, so be it. However, they should never ever be allowed into forums wherein Christian theology, or scriptures are being discussed. Let them have their own forum for questions about scripture.

When they're permitted to enter into forums where Christians discuss the Bible, the Troll kind will attack scripture, deny the validity of the truth of Christ and his divinity, etc... And it brings them great joy to do so for as long as allowed. Because while they may know they'll never persuade a Christian to turn against God, their satisfaction is derived apparently from being tolerated in their fallen agenda that intends to cast vulgar missives against God, and his word, and deny the divinity of Christ, which then denies the existence of God.

Get Ye behind me Bird of Satan!
And yes, I'm mad. A rare thing on the Net for me but it can be let to happen.
It makes me sick to witness one dedicated to blasphemy!
Jesus was mad when he cursed the seed of Satan as they questioned his divinity while calling him to answer to them in the temple.
Any Christian is entitled to be mad when they encounter a disciple of the adversary intent on defecating upon holy writ and vomiting lies against the truth of God in Christ.
Their last laugh gasps forth after they're dead. When it is too late to truly be repentant for living to be sorry.
The dead giveaway for that blasphemer to whom I refer and rebuke, is the Wolf head totem in their profile picture.
The wolf amid the sheep!

PPS. (Patient Post Script) If this screed gets me disciplined or banned, I accept! Best to stand toe to toe with the enemy, as best as is afforded through a monitor, than to remain silent and allow it to continue to desecrate a Christian site, and blaspheme God and his word!​