Yes, the Trinity declares not that the Father Son and Holy Ghost are separate but that they are distinct from one another.
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I postes a few post backs as to why He is not, but if Jesus is God than we have nio salvation, because only a "man" could do what Christ did, i f God did it , than it is all forfeit, But if you dont want your salvation, continue on down this road off foolishness.
Hidden In Him
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If Jesus is "the vessel creation went through," then is Jesus the creator of Heaven and earth or isn't He?
Your position, instead of quoting me scriptures with absolutely zero explanation for how you interpret them.
That just mens refusing to go to Christ for the truth,
men love fables, christianity is filled with them
If I am one with God, than that puts me in agreement with God doesnt make me or you or anyone God.
Yet so many christians disagree with God than go and tell God He is a liar. You have your truth and refuse to change it, that is why christianity is so messed up,
But you will not come to me so I can give you life
Yes, they would rather believe the lie.
This forum is the evidence, you dont want the truth just like the pharisees whop got offended when it was put before them,
Oh you are da funny man.... what comedy school did you go to,, are you so offended its the truth getting to you,
I was primarily kidding...
But your response prompts me to ask you,
Do you think you're Jesus?
I believe the scriptures that tell us that Jesus is the Lord God.
You seem to think that that means that this forfeits the gospel.
If you are not going to explain that pov, then I discount it out of hand.
But if you are willing to explain it, I am willing to listen to your pov.
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Now you pretend not to know how open communication works. You're using the old tactic of avoidance , pretending you don't know the basics in human communication. Let me assist your ignorance. Or more like, throttle your anti-theist Trolling.
Were I to speak for someone else I'd say, I believe ________________ means to say this.....
When I add my knowledge to a discussion, adding my information onto what someone else has attempted and failed to communicate to you, because you have no intention of changing your stance because you are not here to engage Christians on a respectful platform, that is my knowledge speaking from and for myself.
If you don't get that and make yet another lame dodge reply to that, that tells everything we need to know about your purpose here.
Not that I'll be reading you from here out.
We?
Actually, what you're doing now is what I call , lying.
You don't like the truth. That's too bad. The Truth of God IN Christ, is eternal. It isn't debatable. Jesus said it! Woe to those who call him, as you do when you claim he and the Father are not one and the same, a liar.
Yes, you are sorry. And unless you change, shall be for all eternity. There's one unforgivable sin and you've transgressed into it. There's an atheist Blog labeled, God is Hate 101. It is vulgar beyond belief in its sponsors hate for Christians and Christianity. And yet, if one can stomach scrolling through it they'll find the precise style of post tactics that you're committing to here.
The Bible says it. You deny it and that is the tactic of the adversary. Who was a liar from the beginning. And has many a disciple walking this planet and helping him to deceive.
For the sake of newbie Christians who may follow your post agenda and take you seriously, allow me to be very clear for the sake of you all. ANYONE who tells you Jesus is not God, IS A LIAR FROM THE PIT OF HELL! And A DISCIPLE OF SATAN, GOD'S ADVERSARY!
Precisely like the tactics employed by the one I rebuke in the name of Jesus Christ!
Anyone anywhere who says Jesus was not God, is a LIAR! When Jesus said this of himself, those who insist Jesus was not God are Blasphemer's! On the Net or off! They are liars. And on the Net most likely they're Trolling!
The sincere seeker is able to find far more Biblical proof that Jesus was God if they search those keywords: Bible Jesus Was God. Or/ Biblical proof Jesus was God.
This one I address I also rebuke in the name of The Most High! Get behind us Satan! In the name of Jesus Christ!
That one also made mention in this thread that Jesus spent hardly any time, if any at all, speaking of his own nature. That too is a lie!
Bible the nature of Jesus - Google Search
Each and every time Jesus spoke of himself as being one and the same as God the Father, he was speaking of and to his divine nature.
And there are also scriptures that speak of and to this also because Jesus was, in the beginning. And as such he figures prominently in the Old Testament. As well as the New. 7 Bible verses about Christ's Nature
You really don't know what you're talking about.
During the Inquisitions, people did not have as much of an opportunity to possess a Bible as they do today. Under the edict of the Catholic church and for some time, being found with a Bible, as someone not of the elite caste, was a death penalty offense.
But that doesn't speak to those who were burned alive by members of the church. The reason those people were put to the stake, the guillotine, or hanged, depending on what part of the world they were in, is because they did not believe! Roasting people alive before a crowd of pagans commanded to attend the execution and having them watch their neighbor(s) suffer the flame is a great conversion tactic that was perfected by the Roman church!
No mention of being Christian in your profile, and I read why.
On a personal observation,speaking for myself as usual, in my years on the Net I've noted, even as a moderator at one time, that it is always a mistake to tolerate atheists in Christian forums.
However, if they must be permitted to attend in the hopes they'll see the light and save their soul by finding Christ by spending time in such forums, so be it. However, they should never ever be allowed into forums wherein Christian theology, or scriptures are being discussed. Let them have their own forum for questions about scripture.
When they're permitted to enter into forums where Christians discuss the Bible, the Troll kind will attack scripture, deny the validity of the truth of Christ and his divinity, etc... And it brings them great joy to do so for as long as allowed. Because while they may know they'll never persuade a Christian to turn against God, their satisfaction is derived apparently from being tolerated in their fallen agenda that intends to cast vulgar missives against God, and his word, and deny the divinity of Christ, which then denies the existence of God.
Get Ye behind me Bird of Satan!
And yes, I'm mad. A rare thing on the Net for me but it can be let to happen.
It makes me sick to witness one dedicated to blasphemy!
Jesus was mad when he cursed the seed of Satan as they questioned his divinity while calling him to answer to them in the temple.
Any Christian is entitled to be mad when they encounter a disciple of the adversary intent on defecating upon holy writ and vomiting lies against the truth of God in Christ.
Their last laugh gasps forth after they're dead. When it is too late to truly be repentant for living to be sorry.
The dead giveaway for that blasphemer to whom I refer and rebuke, is the Wolf head totem in their profile picture.
The wolf amid the sheep!
PPS. (Patient Post Script) If this screed gets me disciplined or banned, I accept! Best to stand toe to toe with the enemy, as best as is afforded through a monitor, than to remain silent and allow it to continue to desecrate a Christian site, and blaspheme God and his word!
wow thats one big long filibuster, i got an idea, i will just copy past a whole lot of whatever and maybe people will think i am on to something.
or better yet keep it short and simple and easily prove my point
Mark 12 28-34
28And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” 29Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” 32And the scribe said to him, “You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him. 33And to love him with all the heart and with all the understanding and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.” 34And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And after that no one dared to ask him any more questions.
Jesus and the scribe agree the Most High is one. unfortunately there is no trinity in Judaism so when Jesus and the scribe say "one" they mean a Jewish "one" and not a trinity 3 in 1.
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if i create a house and create the structure through a perfect image, who made the house, me or the image?
if Jesus was the Most High they would have said Jesus is the Most High, they wouldnt be saying image, Son and all the rest, its more complicated than just "they are one and the same". your using this world logic to explain something not of this world and its never gonna work.
Yes, there is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5); and this Lord is the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21). However, no one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Spirit of truth (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)). And Jesus is the Lord (1 Corinthians 8:6).
How many Lords are there?
one.
How many Lords do you count?
two.
The two are one (even one Person).
A master tradesmen uses a tool to do His work doesnt make that tool the master, His word is His tool, His word became Christ, His word His tool did as He was asked, like I said,
what more do you need to know.
Everything He, God , created was though His word, His word, performs does all He asks of it,
just as men when they open there mouths and lift up or tear down, your words too perform what you asked of it. build or destroy
WaterSong
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And how do you feel about that?
I know of no member, including myself, that ever stated outright or implied their knowledge of the truth of God and his word, makes them God. Therefore, your observation is a non-sequitur.
Do you include yourself in that judgment? I don't disagree with God. I rebuke the one here who calls God a liar.
Just to be clear and to correct the error in lack of context there, YOU did not say that nor can you accomplish that. You excerpted from the passage in John 5. John 5:40 yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.
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if Jews are wrong about the nature of the Most High, no trinity, why does Jesus agree with the Jews?
I'm not sure I understand your question.
Jesus does not agree that there is no Trinity (see Matthew 28:19).
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