Two Types Of Repenters That Find Damnation

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The man in 1st Corinthians died...no direct reference in 2nd Corinthians, just commending them for welcoming a man back. Check your Bible notes.

I do know one thing...considering your reading comprehension, there is really no telling what religion you have running around in your head. This whole debate is beyond you! I have lead you in a corner and you have shown your colors because those reading your responses can see that you justifying sinning. What is most important to you is sinning and not going to hell. A religion of sin. Who do you think would like people to think they can sin and get away with it? Despite your attempts to say that Christianity is tolerant to sin, everyone can see that what you say is a lie.

So back to the original point...Is there a new denomination forming....a religion without morals that has little concern with what the Bible says.

That the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. We need to Get a new Body This one dies... to get cut short on the possibility of rewards or crowns would be disappointing, Where does that leave the Soul....your taking things from the verse that are not there

Colossians 3:3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

Now About Blood bought You really miss understand what he is saying, He's a really nice guy when you get to know him, His faith is in God and he Relies on God for everything I think it is really a great display of Faith I don't witness very often , If you Take God out BB has no doctrine His confession and reliance is Always On God, And his remedy for sin Is the blood of Jesus, When you talk about the person and accuse them of sins your just looking at the person, that's a fail

So back to the original post What is this new religion forming that has no morals and little concern for what the bible says, It must be from a man trying to form a new cult? what's it called
 
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And the most important thing with @Blood Bought 1953 Is that he Always Gives Glory To God For His Grace, He really is not ashamed of the Gospel, I think that's where the disagreement comes in, You are caught up with sins When the Gospel teaches Jesus Died for your sins...Hopefully one day you can receive it
 
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and my froggy friend arrives to SAVE the day.... YEAH....
 

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That the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. We need to Get a new Body This one dies... to get cut short on the possibility of rewards or crowns would be disappointing, Where does that leave the Soul....your taking things from the verse that are not there

Colossians 3:3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

Now About Blood bought You really miss understand what he is saying, He's a really nice guy when you get to know him, His faith is in God and he Relies on God for everything I think it is really a great display of Faith I don't witness very often , If you Take God out BB has no doctrine His confession and reliance is Always On God, And his remedy for sin Is the blood of Jesus, When you talk about the person and accuse them of sins your just looking at the person, that's a fail

So back to the original post What is this new religion forming that has no morals and little concern for what the bible says, It must be from a man trying to form a new cult? what's it called

BB is fine with me. His issue is that he think he can con Christ. That because you are saved, you can get away with sinning.
The topic about the new denomination is a discussion....new movement with no handle of yet, just a tread among people. Posts 194, 217, and 222 will get you caught up.
 

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And the most important thing with @Blood Bought 1953 Is that he Always Gives Glory To God For His Grace, He really is not ashamed of the Gospel, I think that's where the disagreement comes in, You are caught up with sins When the Gospel teaches Jesus Died for your sins...Hopefully one day you can receive it

Christ...Yeshua...came to us to teach us and set things straight with God so we could have a relationship with God. And yes in the most simplest of terms He died for our sins....But He did not start a religion of sinning.

It's not the Church of the Mafia's hitmen...kill all you want during the week and get your sins forgiven every Sunday. This line of thinking only works if Christ is stupid and this is what BB is thinking....thinking he can con Christ.

Forgiveness is our's because Christ loves us...but He is not stupid....not your chump. That is one of many differences between the laws of Moses and the loving Grace of Christ...We have a relationship with Christ and He is paying attention and He knows your mind and your heart...so you can not con Him, you can not use the process of forgiveness to get away with anything.

We can go out to our local sports bar...drink a little too much and find this pretty little girl that wants to sit on our lap and we can take her to a hotel and have our way with her and in the morning kiss her good-bye. As it turns out she is underage and now pregnant and this starts a sequence of events that she turns to drugs and she commits suicide and she leaves her baby to be adopted and the little girl is molested by those that adopt her and she eventually commits suicide too.

Now you can get forgiveness for this...repent of this and Christ will forgive you. Isn't that wonderful! BUT if you have a religion that you start out the night thinking, I can do anything I want and get away with it....you have another thing coming and it is eternal damnation. And your sins are not forgiven, because Christ is not your mark...not your patsy...not stupid. And on Judgment Day...all those chickens will come home to roost and Christ can judge you to hell.

Cause and effect...responsibility... ramifications... accountability ...Christianity is not a religion of sinning with no ramifications. It is not a religion of chaos and do whatever you want.

There is no scripture that says, there will be no Christians in hell. There are scriptures that prove there will be...like Lazarus and the rich man, the sheep and the goats and the story of the ten bridesmaids and how many more that prove that conning God does not work.

Look up the phrase Gnashing of teeth and see how many ways Christ Himself explained that you could end up in hell. That is God telling you.

13 Bible verses about Gnashing Of Teeth

Salvation is a sturdy institution and we can be confident in Christ. But if you think you can con Him...work the process...you are up against a God and He is smarter than you.

Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.---Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

And for those that speak modern English
Matthew 7:19-23
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Luke 6:46 "Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?

The world is full of people that think they can work the system, but Christ will judge the evildoers and they will be sent to hell.
 
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You can explain it away as hyperbolic or exaggerating or metaphoric ....sounds to me you are living in what is called a fantasy.

I think that I brought my point home with Proverbs 4:18...that is no fantasy.

The Problem is, Morality or the Lack Of it has Nothing to do with Salvation...

Lack of morality will place a man in "the furnace of fire"

Mat 13:41, The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42, And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 7:23, And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mat 25:41, Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


As Jesus told the Sinful Woman that dried Jesus’ feet with her hair....”Your FAITH has Saved you...go in peace...”

He told the woman that committed adultery, "Go and sin no more" (which means, "repent of your sins").

Prove me wrong and I’ll give you $1000 dollars..

That is a lie.

Sixth, I will send you my bank details for the $1000 reward!

I wouldn't hold your breath...he's lying.

They were still Sinners for sure......BUT.....their Salvation was NEVER in Question....if they Believed Paul’s Gospel ,that Jesus died for their Sins and rose from the Grave—— they were Saved .Saved by Grace through Faith—— NOT Behavior...

Mat 13:41, The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42, And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


Mat 7:23, And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mat 25:41, Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


you owe me $1000!

I wouldn't hold my breath.

...God is in my Corner ...

not!

Especially because you are condemned by Revelation 21:8.

What Blood Bought is teaching is based on the ASSURANCE that ONCE saved... we are free to REST in the PROMISE of our SALVATION.
The FREEDOM that comes from this ASSURANCE is what allows the person to totally devote their time and energy in getting to know and love Christ. Sadly... there are those who can't seem to digest this truth and seem to enjoy turning the TABLES to falsely CLAIM that this belief is simply LICENSE to SIN and ABUSE God's Grace... when in all reality... that is NOT what GRACE does... Grace simply sets the record straight... right at the beginning and ONCE and for all. Salvation is a GIFT... DONE DEAL...

Some people though actually have a false assurance, thinking that they are going to heaven when they are not born again.

Here is how you can determine that you have everlasting life and can know that you have it (1 John 5:13)...if you can honestly say that you are born of God when you read 1 John 3:9 literally; taking the apostle as using great plainness of speech (2 Corinthians 3:12 (kjv)).
 

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I think that I brought my point home with Proverbs 4:18...that is no fantasy.



Lack of morality will place a man in "the furnace of fire"

Mat 13:41, The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42, And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 7:23, And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mat 25:41, Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:




He told the woman that committed adultery, "Go and sin no more" (which means, "repent of your sins").



That is a lie.



I wouldn't hold your breath...he's lying.



Mat 13:41, The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42, And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


Mat 7:23, And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mat 25:41, Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:




I wouldn't hold my breath.



not!

Especially because you are condemned by Revelation 21:8.



Some people though actually have a false assurance, thinking that they are going to heaven when they are not born again.

Here is how you can determine that you have everlasting life and can know that you have it (1 John 5:13)...if you can honestly say that you are born of God when you read 1 John 3:9 literally; taking the apostle as using great plainness of speech (2 Corinthians 3:12 (kjv)).

Blood Bought 1953, has thus far not responded to my post from Acts 2, which I believe shows beyond any doubt, the he is very much wrong in his theology.
 
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I was not referring to Proverbs 4:18....but it is a pretty verse....not sure what the point was.

Proverbs 4:18 was part of the whole of the message that you were referring to...

I would appreciate it if you responded to whole messages instead of taking out excerpts from them and nitpicking.
 

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Blood Bought 1953, has thus far not responded to my post from Acts 2, which I believe shows beyond any doubt, the he is very much wrong in his theology.
He would say that it is not speaking of repenting of sins...
He has never had any kind of valid answer to what I brought up to him...Ezekiel 33:19 and its context in Ezekiel 33:11-20...

I believe that that is conclusive and yet he told me that he is never going to pay up.

So, his $1,000 challenge is all a sham.
 
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He would say that it is not speaking of repenting of sins...
He has never had any kind of valid answer to what I brought up to him...Ezekiel 33:19 and its context in Ezekiel 33:11-20...

I believe that that is conclusive and yet he told me that he is never going to pay up.

So, his $1,000 challenge is all a sham.

must be a Calvinist! :eek:
 

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Proverbs 4:18 was part of the whole of the message that you were referring to...

I would appreciate it if you responded to whole messages instead of taking out excerpts from them and nitpicking.
Your post...my post...what post are you wanting me to respond to?
 

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Only when we are not abiding in Christ (1 John 3:6)...when Christ isn't living His life in us and through us (Galatians 2:20).

That we can abide for ever more is a fact of holy scripture (1 John 2:17).

God is in fact able to sanctify us wholly (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv))...thus perfecting us for ever (Hebrews 10:14 (kjv))...so that we "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9).

The final verse in that sequence may in fact be hyperbole by John...but if it is, then he is exaggerating to make a point.

What point?

It is that those who have been born again have made a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, hell, and satan towards righteousness, life, heaven, and God. So, they are walking in a new direction. And therefore the following is true of them.

Pro 4:18, But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

So you are back to....you do not think you sin.....

Well I have this used halo that I will sell you for just four payments of $19.95.

Last year's model, high mileage, and does not have an ashtray.

Seriously, there is a theological concept that no one that believes in Christ.... sins.
It does not go along with this line of thinking and it butts heads with the one God concept.

In that Christ's sacrifice made us sinless and perfect before God the Father, because sinless is the only way we can have a relationship with God the Father. Because the New Covenant did not change Him and He cannot tolerate any imperfection, sin... not even one... or cowardice. We more or less wearing a divine white cloak.

In this process sin is change from a transgression against God the Father, to violations against Christ and those issues are between us and Christ.
 

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Turning from sin is a natural process that occurs when we take the time to know the FULL nature of God. The closer we get to the heart of God... the more we get to know His nature and thus... the less we sin because we want to please Him.

What if its something else?
What if, its the Goodness of God's Grace, that if we learn to rest in it, then we can be free from our carnality, and it not take us 89 yrs.
What if God's Grace, and living HERE : Hebrews 13:9 is the POWER that allows us to REST in the peace of God that is created by the blood atonement, and in this RIGHT BELIEVING, we find that we dont have to turn from sin over time, but we can be delivered from the desire to sin, by God's Grace.

See that?
That is "walking in the Spirit".

The devil teaches it like this...
"You become more sanctified the longer you work out your salvation and keep trying to be GOOD, and keep failing all your life."

God teaches it like this...>"ive made you as GOOD AS ME, you are "the righteousness of Christ", ...so, REST in this TRUTH, and my GRACE becomes your POWER to live HOLY.
 
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Yep, Repentance ( Metanoia, a “ Mind Change”) is Required for Salvation....Satan has muddied the minds of the many who don’t understand it.....Thinking one can “ stop Sinning” is a Fool’s Errand”, and a few misguided Souls here thinkmthey can do it and this “make themselves Worthy Of Heaven...”. Get out Of her with that Garbage—— we are “ MADE WORTHY”,by the Blood of the Lamb.....plus-NOTHING....
Yep!

It seems some feel like we should understand the Greek Metanoia as if it were the Hebrew repentance of changing one's direction. Invariably, when someone tries to define the new covenant according to the terms of the old, confusion results.

Much love!
 

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. Who do you think would like people to think they can sin and get away with it? Despite your attempts to say that Christianity is tolerant to sin, everyone can see that what you say is a lie



Your initial Post was so Ludicrous and Unbiblical ( I invite all readers to go back and read his very imaginative Hog Wash “ introduction” ), It did not take a genius to figure out that you were not one capable of serious debate....so I will deal with you like I do ALL of the Biblically Ignorant , Modern- Day Judaizers.....when it is convenient, and when I see an opportunity to do so, I will use you as a “ Springboard” to get the Truth of Paul’s Gospel Of Grace out there so that Newbies will not get their Faith “ ship-wrecked”by you and your ilk, with your False and Perverted so-called “ Gospels”.... thanks for the opportunity to get some Bible Truth out there for those in here that need to hear many things they are not getting in their Religious Country Clubs....


Christianity is not “ Tolerant” Of Sin....Christianity just knows how to handle it....and it AINT by Preaching Law......God already tried that in the Old Testament...God gave the
Law so that Sin “ might increase”—— and Boy does it ! Satan’s Big Lie , The One That you and others are STILL falling for , was that “ knowing Right from Wrong” will make you “ Like God”....
The “Cure” for Sin is Grace......and TONS of it ....That kind of “ GRACE” That “Super Abounds” where SIN abounds.....Having the “ ASSURANCE” that follows when one puts there TOTAL FAITH in “ Christ Crucified” and the Gospel Of 1Cor 15:1-4 That Saves If you merely BELIEVE it—- THAT is the Way to GET Saved and Stay Saved......it’s like this:
One Hears the Gospel.... God opens your Heart to the Gospel ( Like Lydia, the “Seller Of Purple”) If God has blessed you with a “Contrite Heart” ( NOBODY comes to God, lest the Spirit draw him, and the Spirit “draws men” by the Conviction Of Sin,which produces the Contrite , or REPENTANT Heart)
One “ proves” that they really Believe the Gospel by RESTING in it.....That REST is the Secret Of Everything .....
Resting, as opposed to Working—- getting that “ Monkey” Of Performance Off Of your Back, leads to a Love for God that Spurs Obedience.....an Obedience That stems from Love—- not Fear and Dread....
Rest in the Gospel .....Trust in God’s Grace.....When you sin, do the same thing with it that God does—- Put it on the Cross .Then thank God for His Grace and move on in the same manner that you started....Faith in Jesus and what “ HE” did—— NOT what “YOU” do.....
I’ll say it again....” NOBODY GETS AWAY WITH SIN”......God will Chastise you here in your lifetime....He knows how to “ blow the whistle” on His Foolish Children.....So relax , all of you Stiff- Necked Legalist —— get that knot out of your Panties—-God will Punish those that sin ( all of us) as part of His Plan to “ Transform us into the Image Of His Son.....Chastisement ? Yes . Damnation? No..... sorry to Bust Your Bubble.....