Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

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Where in the Ten Commandments does it say any of that? The Fourth Commandment as written by the finger of God goes all the way back to Eden, and is SO EASY to keep! You don't have to do an work, just chill, read your Bible, go to church, help spread the love of Jesus, feed those in need, etc....all easy and delightful!

The ten commands don’t exist in a vacuum- they were given as part of the 613 statutes and commands of the law of Moses- and all of it has to be kept down to the least jot and tittle, which includes the penalty for breaking them.

Paul wrote about the Decalogue in 2 Corinthians 3, wherein we find that the Ten Commands are: the ministration of DEATH, the letter which KILLS, and the ministration of CONDEMNATION, that has been done away - which is contrasted with the new covenant (testament) of the spirit, that gives LIFE.


2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the NEW testament; not of the letter, but of the SPIRIT : for the letter KILLETH , but the spirit giveth life.

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration OF DEATH written andengraven in stones (The Ten Commandments) was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glorywas to be DONE AWAY:

2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation beglory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

2Co 3:11 For if that which is DONE AWAY wasglorious, much more that which remaineth isglorious.


The reason the Ten commands kills, brings death, and condemnation, and has been done away, is due to the fact that the penalty under the law for breaking any of the Ten, was being put to death by stoning.


The penalty for homicide - being put to death by stoning:

Exo 21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.


The penalty for not honoring your mother and father: put to death by stoning:

Lev 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put todeath: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall beupon him.


The penalty for adultery: put to death by stoning:

Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with anotherman's wife, even hethat committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.


The penalty for breaking the sabbath by doing any work, such as picking up sticks for kindling: put to death by stoning:

Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it isholy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth anywork therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.


If the Ten Commands are still in effect, the penalty for breaking them is still in effect, thus those who insist on keeping the ended covenant that contained the Ten Commands, are breaking the law themselves, by not stoning to death those who break the commands.


You can't have one without the other.

Imagine you were doing a ride along with a police officer, and you see that he ignores traffic law violations: speeding, running red lights, reckless driving, drunk driving, etc.


During the conversation you have with the officer, he says, "yes, I believe in the traffic laws. I keep those laws, myself - I just don't enforce them".


Sabbath day keepers, and Ten Commandment keepers are saying, those commands are still in effect and we keep them, but we don't enforce the law, as is required BY the law.


The ten commands ended when the old covenant ended, because the ten are called “the covenant on two tables of stone” in scripture - thus when the old covenant ended, the ten commands ended with it - including the fourth command.


Deu 9:11 And it came to pass at the end of forty days and forty nights, thatthe LORD gave me the two tables of stone, eventhe tables of the covenant.


Invariably some people will claim that the new covenant is simply the old covenant restated, but that argument won’t hold water.


Scripture says the new covenant is a BETTER covenant, founded on BETTER PROMISES - not the old one recycled.


Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a BETTER covenant, which was established upon better promises.


And says if the old one was faultless, there’d be no need for a new covenant.


Heb 8:7 For if that first covenanthad been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.


God rested on the seventh day, but did not command anyone else to keep a seventh day sabbath at that time.


You won’t find the word sabbath anywhere in Genesis, nor find Abraham or anyone else in Genesis resting on the 7th day - because there was no such command until God gave it to Israel as a covenant sign of His freeing them from slavery in Egypt, after their Exodus.


Moses said NO ONE had the law the law God gave to Israel, until God gave it to him on Mount Sinai:


Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.

Deu 5:3 The LORD made NOT this covenant with our fathers, but with US evenus, who areall of us here alive THIS day.


And God says why and to who, He first gave the command to keep the 7th day:


Deu 5:15 And REMEMBER that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and tha the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: THEREFORE the LORD thy God commanded THEE to keep the sabbath day.


The sabbath day command was given only to Israel as a covenant sign and memorial of their being set free from slavery in Egypt.


Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of ISRAEL, saying, Verily my sabbaths YE shall keep: for itisa SIGN between ME and YOU throughout YOUR generations; that yemay know that I amthe LORD that doth sanctify YOU.
 
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I'm sure most will immediately disagree, and rightly so. Jesus' fulfilling of the Spirit of the Law in us does not permit us to break the Letter of the Law.

Yes, the Letter of the Law is a killer, but to whom? To him who attempts to obtain salvation through observing it - which is impossible, according to Romans 8:7 KJV and Luke 17:10 KJV. But, to the Christian who keeps the Spirit of the Law forbidding lust - and by that will automatically be keeping the Letter of the Law forbidding the act of adultery - to him, it is not a killer, but a "Law of Liberty".

So, if the fact that Jesus is our truth, reward, and faithfulness does not permit us to lie, steal, or fornicate...why do so many claim that since Jesus is their spiritual rest, they may freely break the fourth commandment? To the contrary, if Jesus is indeed our inward Spiritual rest, we will demonstrate that by outward obedience to the fourth commandment, according to Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV. The only rest God ever took was literal rest from His work of creation on the seventh day; the only day upon which He rested, blessed it, and sanctified it. If He is indeed our spiritual rest, we ought to evidence that by literally resting on the seventh day Sabbath day. Need I remind anyone, it's not the fourth "suggestion", it's the Fourth Commandment, right or wrong?

The letter of the law was for the Old Covenant. The problem that made it death was because of the carnal nature of man. Our nature was in opposition to the letter of the law. It was always a struggle between the law and our natural instinct to disobey the law. Why? Because we were slaves of sin. It is like commanding someone to not think of a pink elephant. And what do we do? We immediately think of a pink elephant. Keeping a day from a certain time of day to the same certain time of day of the next day is only done by the letter of the law. There is no spirit in the keeping of this type of law. "Do it this way, or else! The spirit of the Sabbath would be to honor the Lord of the Sabbath which love is written on the heart and has nothing to do with a day of the week, but of a relationship that is constant. It is total trust and rest in Christ.

The spirit of the law was the New Covenant. The laws are supernaturally written into our born again nature so that instead of being in opposition to the law, they are part of our nature to automatically do righteousness, thus not breaking any of the laws of God simply and by instinct. Why? Because we are slaves of righteousness, and free from sin. "My yoke is easy, and My burden is light." There is no way to keep the spirit of the Sabbath when there are exact rules making it the letter of the law.

But the Sabbath was placed in the Ten Commandment as the sign of the Ten Commandments. The sign of the New Covenant of the laws written on our heart supernaturally is due entirely because of the blood of Jesus and His death on the cross. The shed blood of God of the covenant is our sign in the form of the cup of the Covenant. But there is no exactness to it. As often as you do this, do it in remembrance of Me. There is liberty
 
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I would very much like someone explain how they are managing to keep the spirit of the law... For example not lusting... While at the same time unable to keep the letter... which is physical adultery.
Perhaps one can murder without hate and be guiltless because they were keeping the spirit of the law?
Perhaps one can steal without coveting...

How can one claim to be honoring the 4th Commandment "in Spirit" without keeping the letter?
"In vain do they worship Me, teaching as Commandments the doctrines of men"....
 

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I would very much like someone explain how they are managing to keep the spirit of the law... For example not lusting... While at the same time unable to keep the letter... which is physical adultery.
Perhaps one can murder without hate and be guiltless because they were keeping the spirit of the law?
Perhaps one can steal without coveting...

How can one claim to be honoring the 4th Commandment "in Spirit" without keeping the letter?
"In vain do they worship Me, teaching as Commandments the doctrines of men"....

Thats the point. We are to keep the spirit of the Sabbath, not the letter of keeping a physical day. The spirit of the Sabbath is REST. Who are we to rest in? We "keep" Jesus by abiding in Him, and He in us, something unheard of in the Old Covenant.

We know that all the holy convocations of Leviticus 23 are fulfilled in Jesus Christ. We are to honor Him, not make a day of the week an idol.
 

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Believing Christians delight in Gods law. 1977 NASB Romans 7:22 For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, Inwardly believing Christians have been renewed in our mind/heart by the spirit.

Believers who walk in the spirit; can not sin because of active faith in letting the spirit of Christ live and flow through them in which good comes from the human being. I believe that Christ lives with-in me but at the same time if not renewing the mind/heart with reading and looking at the word; in which the heart is changed and it is my flesh if it acts out that is the sin that still lives in me. And not my true identity in Christ Jesus in which rejoices and seeks after having a relationship with God by and through prayer and willingly showing love towards God and towards others.

Sometimes as Christians we fail in our walk when we do not show love towards God, or show love towards others. There is only one who can deliver us from our failures and whom lives with in us and that is Christ Jesus our Lord.
 

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Believing Christians delight in Gods law. 1977 NASB Romans 7:22 For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, Inwardly believing Christians have been renewed in our mind/heart by the spirit.

Believers who walk in the spirit; can not sin because of active faith in letting the spirit of Christ live and flow through them in which good comes from the human being. I believe that Christ lives with-in me but at the same time if not renewing the mind/heart with reading and looking at the word; in which the heart is changed and it is my flesh if it acts out that is the sin that still lives in me. And not my true identity in Christ Jesus in which rejoices and seeks after having a relationship with God by and through prayer and willingly showing love towards God and towards others.

Sometimes as Christians we fail in our walk when we do not show love towards God, or show love towards others. There is only one who can deliver us from our failures and whom lives with in us and that is Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 7:22 is right in the middle of 14-25, and what it was like keeping the Laws in the Old Covenant with nothing more than our sinful nature. Our nature was at war with the Law. But not so in the New Covenant based on better promises. The sinless nature of Christ is given to us freeing us from the law of sin and death. We can now keep the righteous requirements of the law naturally, not in opposition to the law. They are now part of our very nature because the Spirit makes us born again. This is not something imputed to us with no power to change us. It is a supernatural experience that is powerful and you KNOW it when He comes into you.
 
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Charismaticlady; I would agree with what you are saying.
 

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Romans 7:22 is right in the middle of 14-25, and what it was like keeping the Laws in the Old Covenant with nothing more than our sinful nature. Our nature was at war with the Law. But not so in the New Covenant based on better promises. The sinless nature of Christ is given to us freeing us from the law of sin and death. We can now keep the righteous requirements of the law naturally, not in opposition to the law. They are now part of our very nature because the Spirit makes us born again. This is not something imputed to us with no power to change us. It is a supernatural experience that is powerful and you KNOW it when He comes into you.
I agree. See here...
christianityboard.com/threads/jesus-is-our-truth-reward-and-faithfulness-so-we-can-lie-steal-and-fornicate.40639/page-9#post-1048309
 

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No one can be justified by the law... according to Luke 17:10 KJV, it's an impossibility.

However, once saved, we evidence that salvation by keeping the Ten Commandments, and likewise, anyone who fights against the keeping of them evidences he is not saved.
Well no one is fighting against keeping them. So your point is mute
 

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I would very much like someone explain how they are managing to keep the spirit of the law... For example not lusting... While at the same time unable to keep the letter... which is physical adultery.
Perhaps one can murder without hate and be guiltless because they were keeping the spirit of the law?
Perhaps one can steal without coveting...

How can one claim to be honoring the 4th Commandment "in Spirit" without keeping the letter?
"In vain do they worship Me, teaching as Commandments the doctrines of men"....
If you LOVE your wife, if you LOVE God, if you LOVE the girl (or guy) in question

the thought of physical adultry will not even cross your mind

if your looking to the letter, (do not commit adultry) the love of anyone is not on your mind, the sin of adultry is there, and temptation is planted.

if love is not regained, and self is continued by seeking to obey the command temptation can grow and lead to physical sin

of course as Jesus said, just the fact you listed, you sinned before you even commited the physical act, and your sin was compounded

1. You failed to love, ie, you loved self more (your needs)
2. You failed to love God more than anything
3. You failed to love your wife and the girl
4. You listed
5 you ultimately commited adultry

so in one act, you commited 5 sins, broke the letter of the law twice (love God and commited adultry)

worse yet, if you did not commit the act, if you somehow withheld the temptation. You still sinned 4 times

so in effect, you did not break the letter (in your mind, the fact is you still broke command number ) so you think you did not sin

this was the problem the pharisee had. And what Jesus rebuked on his sermon on the Mount and WHY the law can not make us righteous people because it was not designed for that reason, we can keep the letter (in our minds) and still sin

most people break the first command all the time and do not even realize it’s
 

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No, Jesus was in the beginning with the Father. However, when He manifested Himself as an angel, He took the name Michael - "the One Who is as God" - just as when He manifested Himself as a human, He took the name "Jesus" - the "Savior of His people from their sins".
Who is “like” God

and who “IS” God are two different things

but good to know what you think
 
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No, Jesus was in the beginning with the Father. However, when He manifested Himself as an angel, He took the name Michael - "the One Who is as God" - just as when He manifested Himself as a human, He took the name "Jesus" - the "Savior of His people from their sins".

Jude 1:9 pretty thoroughly blows that notion up tho.
Jesus is the Lord, but Michael defers to the Lord.

c.f. Judges 13:18, where His name, appearing as The Angel of the LORD, is "Wonderful" ((see also Isaiah 9:6)) - and Judges 13:19-20 also establishes that He Himself is the LORD.

btw "Mikha'el" means 'who is like God?' -- the word "mi" is specifically an interrogative pronoun, Strong's 4310.
 
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I busted my backside in this American South heat all week, so I'm especially grateful to just chill in my A/C all day resting!

They offered OT today and I could have made a quick and easy $700, but how can I demonstrate to the world that I'm resting in the finished work of my Savior if I'm out there working on the Sabbath, when the purpose of the Sabbath is to prove to the world that the God I worship is both my Creator and my Redeemer?

interesting.

so you rejected Christ's commandment, "if someone asks you to go one mile, go with them two"
spent all day yesterday avoiding uncomfortable questions, and patted yourself on the back for it, thinking you had justified yourself by your non-action.

have ya ever heard of the parable of the good Samaritan?
 
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How can one claim to be honoring the 4th Commandment "in Spirit" without keeping the letter?

Christ explained that to us, don't you know?

ever help anyone push their car out of the road on a sabbath day? or lift their ox out of a pit - which, metaphorically, is as helping them do the work they have before them that must be done?
so Christ says, if anyone asks you to go a mile, go two -- does He add a caveat, 'unless it is sabbath, then tell them no, and stay home with a smug look on your face' ? to my knowledge, He did not.

if your boss needs you to work on sabbath, do so - obeying the command of our Lord, who has made the old obsolete by giving a new ((John 13:34-35, Hebrews 8:13)). and do so as though to God, not to man ((Colossians 3:23)). in so doing you will be doing the will of your Father in heaven, yet according to a pharisetical misunderstanding of the sign of the old covenant ((Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12)), you would be violating the letter ((which kills, 2 Corinthians 3:4-6)) that you are no longer bound to ((see Romans 7, where Paul explicitly includes the 10 in "the law" which we are no longer under the dominion of / obligation to)).

on the contrary, mr. Phone gave us an example of how to pharisetically boast in works, misusing the law in order to reject the commandment of God ((c.f. Mark 7:9)). he explains that he was asked to go a mile, and refused, misusing the sign of the Mosaic covenant as an excuse not to love his neighbor and be a servant to them for the sake of the name of God ((Matthew 5:41-43, e.g.)).

and he glories in it! not in God, but in himself, saying even to us - 'see how righteous i am! i refused to help someone in need!'
is that the spirit of His rest?
 
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Jude 1:9 pretty thoroughly blows that notion up tho.
Jesus is the Lord, but Michael defers to the Lord.

c.f. Judges 13:18, where His name, appearing as The Angel of the LORD, is "Wonderful" ((see also Isaiah 9:6)) - and Judges 13:19-20 also establishes that He Himself is the LORD.

btw "Mikha'el" means 'who is like God?' -- the word "mi" is specifically an interrogative pronoun, Strong's 4310.
Jude 1: 9 prety much seals it. He could not confront Satan, but had to defer to the lord (Jesus)
 
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Christ explained that to us, don't you know?

ever help anyone push their car out of the road on a sabbath day? or lift their ox out of a pit - which, metaphorically, is as helping them do the work they have before them that must be done?
so Christ says, if anyone asks you to go a mile, go two -- does He add a caveat, 'unless it is sabbath, then tell them no, and stay home with a smug look on your face' ? to my knowledge, He did not.

if your boss needs you to work on sabbath, do so - obeying the command of our Lord, who has made the old obsolete by giving a new ((John 13:34-35, Hebrews 8:13)). and do so as though to God, not to man ((Colossians 3:23)). in so doing you will be doing the will of your Father in heaven, yet according to a pharisetical misunderstanding of the sign of the old covenant ((Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12)), you would be violating the letter ((which kills, 2 Corinthians 3:4-6)) that you are no longer bound to ((see Romans 7, where Paul explicitly includes the 10 in "the law" which we are no longer under the dominion of / obligation to)).

on the contrary, mr. Phone gave us an example of how to pharisetically boast in works, misusing the law in order to reject the commandment of God ((c.f. Mark 7:9)). he explains that he was asked to go a mile, and refused, misusing the sign of the Mosaic covenant as an excuse not to love his neighbor and be a servant to them for the sake of the name of God ((Matthew 5:41-43, e.g.)).

and he glories in it! not in God, but in himself, saying even to us - 'see how righteous i am! i refused to help someone in need!'
is that the spirit of His rest?
Jesus said the weightier matters of the law are love, mercy and faith. So you are correct. Partly. He also said to the Pharisees and lawyers, that while being merciful, they shouldn't neglect the tithe. So like Jesus, yes, of the neighbors donkey/Toyota has fallen into a ditch, I would give whatever assistance I can. Also like Jesus, I wouldn't be in the carpenters shop fixing tables. I would have done those the day before, and what I couldn't finish, can wait. And no, my boss does not take precedence over God.
 

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my boss does not take precedence over God.

that's either a gross mischaracterization or a wild misunderstanding of what i said.

to avoid confusion, let's stick to what God says.
here is what God says:

whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two
(Matthew 5:41)

Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God: and whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
(Colossians 3:22-23)

Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; with good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men
(Ephesians 6:5-6)​

now, if someone tells you they need your help over the weekend, how do these passages comment on that?
where is it written to us, go two miles unless it is sabbath? or, be obedient and work as though for Christ, not men, unless it's on a sabbath?

when the pharisees attacked Jesus for working on the sabbath, He replied "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work" ((John 5:17))
it's incumbent on you to explain why God wrote these things, why such enormous emphasis in the gospels is placed on Jesus being persecuted for doing things on sabbath days, and to choose who you will serve, whether you will obey Christ or whether you will find an excuse not to.

our friend mr. Phone gave us an excellent example of abusing the law in order to falsely boast that he keeps it.
you will either understand this, or go with him into the ditch.
 
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If my boss says I must work saterday, and I refuse claiming sabbath. This is not being a light to the world. The world looks at you with contempt not with aww,,
 
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The ten commands don’t exist in a vacuum- they were given as part of the 613 statutes and commands of the law of Moses- and all of it has to be kept down to the least jot and tittle, which includes the penalty for breaking them.

Paul wrote about the Decalogue in 2 Corinthians 3, wherein we find that the Ten Commands are: the ministration of DEATH, the letter which KILLS, and the ministration of CONDEMNATION, that has been done away - which is contrasted with the new covenant (testament) of the spirit, that gives LIFE.


2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the NEW testament; not of the letter, but of the SPIRIT : for the letter KILLETH , but the spirit giveth life.

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration OF DEATH written andengraven in stones (The Ten Commandments) was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glorywas to be DONE AWAY:

2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation beglory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

2Co 3:11 For if that which is DONE AWAY wasglorious, much more that which remaineth isglorious.


The reason the Ten commands kills, brings death, and condemnation, and has been done away, is due to the fact that the penalty under the law for breaking any of the Ten, was being put to death by stoning.


The penalty for homicide - being put to death by stoning:

Exo 21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.


The penalty for not honoring your mother and father: put to death by stoning:

Lev 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put todeath: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall beupon him.


The penalty for adultery: put to death by stoning:

Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with anotherman's wife, even hethat committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.


The penalty for breaking the sabbath by doing any work, such as picking up sticks for kindling: put to death by stoning:

Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it isholy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth anywork therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.


If the Ten Commands are still in effect, the penalty for breaking them is still in effect, thus those who insist on keeping the ended covenant that contained the Ten Commands, are breaking the law themselves, by not stoning to death those who break the commands.


You can't have one without the other.

Imagine you were doing a ride along with a police officer, and you see that he ignores traffic law violations: speeding, running red lights, reckless driving, drunk driving, etc.


During the conversation you have with the officer, he says, "yes, I believe in the traffic laws. I keep those laws, myself - I just don't enforce them".


Sabbath day keepers, and Ten Commandment keepers are saying, those commands are still in effect and we keep them, but we don't enforce the law, as is required BY the law.


The ten commands ended when the old covenant ended, because the ten are called “the covenant on two tables of stone” in scripture - thus when the old covenant ended, the ten commands ended with it - including the fourth command.


Deu 9:11 And it came to pass at the end of forty days and forty nights, thatthe LORD gave me the two tables of stone, eventhe tables of the covenant.


Invariably some people will claim that the new covenant is simply the old covenant restated, but that argument won’t hold water.


Scripture says the new covenant is a BETTER covenant, founded on BETTER PROMISES - not the old one recycled.


Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a BETTER covenant, which was established upon better promises.


And says if the old one was faultless, there’d be no need for a new covenant.


Heb 8:7 For if that first covenanthad been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.


God rested on the seventh day, but did not command anyone else to keep a seventh day sabbath at that time.


You won’t find the word sabbath anywhere in Genesis, nor find Abraham or anyone else in Genesis resting on the 7th day - because there was no such command until God gave it to Israel as a covenant sign of His freeing them from slavery in Egypt, after their Exodus.


Moses said NO ONE had the law the law God gave to Israel, until God gave it to him on Mount Sinai:


Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.

Deu 5:3 The LORD made NOT this covenant with our fathers, but with US evenus, who areall of us here alive THIS day.


And God says why and to who, He first gave the command to keep the 7th day:


Deu 5:15 And REMEMBER that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and tha the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: THEREFORE the LORD thy God commanded THEE to keep the sabbath day.


The sabbath day command was given only to Israel as a covenant sign and memorial of their being set free from slavery in Egypt.


Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of ISRAEL, saying, Verily my sabbaths YE shall keep: for itisa SIGN between ME and YOU throughout YOUR generations; that yemay know that I amthe LORD that doth sanctify YOU.
So do you think we no longer need to worry about living the 10 Commandmens in our time?