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So God removed the 13th rib of Adam.. and filled it with flesh.
You have misunderstood this. Just like after surgery the surgeon "closes up the flesh", God performed His surgery and "closed up the flesh" of Adam. Instead of general anesthesia, God put Adam into a deep sleep. And after the "operation" you would not have known that Adam had had surgery.

There was no 13th rib.
Adam's was a unique situation, but God had already planned to give humans 12 paired ribs, and that is how it is right now. The human body is a remarkable thing, built with precision down to the last cell.

What most people are not being told by the so-called "experts" (conspirators) is that God had also given mankind a remarkable IMMUNE SYSTEM. And natural immunity followed by acquired immunity is generally sufficient to prevent germs from debilitating a healthy body. Of course we know why this information was literally sabotaged by the WHO (World Hoax Organization). Health is the last thing on their minds.
 
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You have misunderstood this. Just like after surgery the surgeon "closes up the flesh", God performed His surgery and "closed up the flesh" of Adam. Instead of general anesthesia, God put Adam into a deep sleep. And after the "operation" you would not have known that Adam had had surgery.

There was no 13th rib.
Adam's was a unique situation, but God had already planned to give humans 12 paired ribs, and that is how it is right now. The human body is a remarkable thing, built with precision down to the last cell.

What most people are not being told by the so-called "experts" (conspirators) is that God had also given mankind a remarkable IMMUNE SYSTEM. And natural immunity followed by acquired immunity is generally sufficient to prevent germs from debilitating a healthy body. Of course we know why this information was literally sabotaged by the WHO (World Hoax Organization). Health is the last thing on their minds.
No doubt the black death and the pale horse are upon us once again.. history repeats itself..
However..

I was making fun of the 13th rib.
I mean God caused Adam to go into a deep sleep. Kind of Like Jesus dying. And when Adam woke up he had a wife.
And when Jesus rose from the grave, He had a new wife (church).

The question is, will we be deceived as Eve was?
Will we believe the lie?
Well, what is written in the NT?

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Why you think God calls the woman who rides the beast, the whore of Babylon?
excuse my verbage but whoring isn't just restricted to sexual relations. It has to do with co-mingling and working deals behind God's back.
Not that God doesn't see this happening, but they do it anyways.
And we see it everyday happening in our faces.. FAKE NEWS.
We have the church (Eve) dabling in a lot of fruit she should not be partaking of, even if it is in the name of UNITY.
I mean what is being pushed on the church, looks good, sounds good, it might even taste good.
But it's poison. Pure and simple. Beguiling even. And being done in all subtilty.

Can you see a pattern here?
History is repeating itself.. again.
Only this time it's our generation that is eating the forbidden fruit.
Could be there will only be 144,000 that make it out alive (eternal that is)
Question is:
Will we blame the snake (the big lie) or will we hold ourselves accountable and ask for forgiveness before it's too late.

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The question is, will we be deceived as Eve was? Will we believe the lie? Well, what is written in the NT? 2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The answer is right before your eyes. That prophecy applies to those who (1) believed not the truth (Bible truth and Gospel truth) and (2) had pleasure in unrighteousness.

So how in the world would you apply that to God's people? The Church will be in Heaven when this prophecy is fulfilled. So, no, the Lamb's Wife will not be deceived like Adam's Wife.
 

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Since it was a place without sin yet, God appeared in physical human form as angels do and walked on two feet. A theophany/Christophany

It just means empty, no life, just earth and water.


History does repeat itself, it's cyclical. A new heaven and new earth will come, but not quite the start with two people and the possibility of sin with Satan there to tempt us. There will be billions of eternal Christians and history will finally stop repeating itself.

Jesus as God in human form can transcend the fourth dimension, time, and He made many OT appearances. Every time YHWH appears in human form, that’s Jesus.

My favorite example is when YHWH on earth rained down fire and brimstone on Sodom, from YHWH in heaven, in Genesis 19.
 

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I was looking at this word "void" in particular.

a few thoughts to consider. “Void” another word “waste”


Isaiah 58:12 And they that shall be of thee (Christ) shall build the old waste places: thou (Christ) shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou (Christ) shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

1 Peter 2:5-6 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. [6] Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

2 Corinthians 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed (restored)day by day.

In your study was also “desolate”
Psalm 34:22 The Lord redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate.


Jer 5:25 Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you.

“your sins have withholden good things from you”
What withholds or restraineth?
Romans 8:31-32 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? [32] He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

For this lawlessness is already at work secretly, and it will remain secret until the one who is holding it back steps out of the way.


“The one holding it back steps out of the way.”


“your sins have withholden good things from you” Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:


2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

“your sins have withholden good things from you”
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Romans 6:6-7 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. [7] For he that is dead is freed from sin.

2 Corinthians 3:14-16 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. [15] But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. [16] Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

What withholds? When if God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? “it will remain secret until the one who is holding it back steps out of the way” …is “steps out of the way” the same as “put away” or “put off” Ephesians 4:21-27 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: [22] That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; [23] And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; [24] And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. [25] Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. [26] Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: [27] Neither give place to the devil.

“it will remain secret until the one who is holding it back steps out of the way” 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: [4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
 
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This destruction if the first earth and heaven is likely 1000 + a few years away.
The Great Tribulation coming soon, (if we are already not in it), precedes the Millennial Kingdom, and cannot be this event as described in 2 Pet. 3:10 or in Rev. 21:1. The Lord will literally reign on earth for 1000 years before He destroys the first earth and first heavens. Otherwise, why go through all these events in the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls if He was going to just come and torch everything. Paradise will be reborn on this current earth.
I suppose one could include this Great Tribulation + the 1000 years within the "Day of the Lord". ? Since to God, a day is like a 1000 years and 1000 years like a day. And if His creation is only 6000 years old, then the last Millennium would be His Earthy Kingdom and our day of rest and peace... my two cents.
I see places in history where the 1000 year pattern repeats.

With the first 999 years of the early church, there was peace and teaching of paradise on earth. Around 1000 is when the political cusades starting, using the Cross as a symbol to conquer lands for material control and wealth. So that is one of the Antichrist stages.

Catholic church history has its phases.

American political history has stages of liberal and conservative dominance.

The point of these learning curves is to converge toward justice and peace, which Jesus and the Holy Spirit represent collectively for all people, nations and humanity going through spiritual growth and recovery to reach resolution.

I agree we are approaching the last stage or Sabbath Age where the Kingdom of God is establish on Earth by reaching agreement in Christ.
 

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Sez who? There is a sequence of events given the Bible. Yet every detail has not been revealed. There will be desolations on earth followed by restoration and renewal after redemption.
No restoration revealed in the bible. Renewal, as in recreation, yes. But that's a 1000 years later. And to base all your eschatology on nothing more than a faint hope... Like, we won't be here when all the bad stuff goes down... And... The Antichrist hasn't come yet, he'll be our children's problem... That futuristic hermeneutic of the Jesuits you are so fond of that hides their boss is based on very flimsy evidence. I mean, think about it. One man says: my wife is going to get a divorce and marry my best friend. This takes place 10 years later. His grandson says 30 years later, one day my grandmother is going to get a divorce and marry my grandfather's best friend. As if the previous 20 years didn't exist, and denies the new marriage and his new step grandmother. That's what the Jesuits have done to prophecy. And Protestants have fallen for it. Now everyone almost is looking intently at the front door waiting for this terrible enemy to destroy the Christian faith, while the real enemy who has already done exactly that for the vast majority of Christendom, is sitting at your kitchen table eating breakfast. He called in through the back door and had been boarding with you all your life. He's your new stepmother.
 
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Jesus as God in human form can transcend the fourth dimension, time, and He made many OT appearances. Every time YHWH appears in human form, that’s Jesus.

My favorite example is when YHWH on earth rained down fire and brimstone on Sodom, from YHWH in heaven, in Genesis 19.
Angels were with Lot, God in heaven.
 

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I see places in history where the 1000 year pattern repeats.

With the first 999 years of the early church, there was peace and teaching of paradise on earth. Around 1000 is when the political cusades starting, using the Cross as a symbol to conquer lands for material control and wealth. So that is one of the Antichrist stages.
Sin has been present since the Garden. Satan and his horde as well. The Millennial Kingdom is not like any period we've ever experienced. Jesus literally will return as they watched Him ascend - in like manner. He will judge the world. It is cut and dry. Those who believe in Him will be saved, those who don't will be destroyed - more than half the populatiom of the planet. It is called the Great Tribulation, a period of 3 1/2 years (stated in several places as 1260 days or 42 months). Satan and his horde will be locked up and sin and evil eliminated for 1000 years. Jesus will reign on earth, in Jerusalem on His throne. Even the animal kingdom will be at peace; the wolves with sheep, no more peditors. He will transform their nature instantly, like a new program. Like Nebuchadnezzar's mind was changed and instantly he ate grass for food. No more deadly vipers, lions, bears ... even mosquitos.
Sin distorted the world. At that moment, bacteria, viruses, diseases came into being. Likely the planet will not suffer them during this time.



American political history has stages of liberal and conservative dominance.
Yes, everything else has come and gone in cycles, periods of time, but they all had sin and evil.
The Millennial Kingdom will be like the Garden, Paradise reborn with the Lord walking side by side with people.

The point of these learning curves is to converge toward justice and peace, which Jesus and the Holy Spirit represent collectively for all people, nations and humanity going through spiritual growth and recovery to reach resolution.
Things will not get healed over time, we all know what good and evil is. We have had plenty of time. Peace cannot come unless sin and evil are removed, including all people who are not born again.
Emily, this is what you should be warning your Buddhist family and community about. This country is gone. Satan has had control over this world since before the Pandemic. Welcome to the New World Order, a One World Government. Now a new Delta variant has been released - more deadly ... which will lead to more lockdowns, loss of freedoms, collapse of economies - The Great Reset. You think your political persuatuons will effect change?
What you will be doing is nudging people into the right path towards Christ and eventually, they will ne saved - not our country. The whole government is corrupt. The medical industry manipulated and controlled by this NWO. BIG TECH is lording over us.
There is not much time, we need to warn people of this.
The world has been on this downward immoral slope since prayer was taken out of the schools, then came the welfare system, the drug revolution, then abortions, the Central banks controlling the economies, (like the Rothschilds, Rockefellers and now Soros and Gates), and them the icing on the cake, gay marriage. You think we will turn around the last 70 years?
Good and Evil have increased, side by side, but have about reached a precipise and will soon be separated. Judgment is imminent!

I love your heart though. Continue to do good and spread the gospel.
 
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have you ever considered “he that is unjust, let him be unjust still. And he that is filthy, let him be filthy still …” could Be: stop trying to justify the deeds of the flesh And make them clean? But instead let that which is unjust be unjust still instead of glorying in the flesh. And him that is filthy let him be filthy still. That same passage concerning the above goes on to say that which is without…what is without? Very crucial is without Revelation 22:15 are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


he that is unjust, let him be unjust still. And he that is filthy, let him be filthy still …
Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

then He goes on to say we are not in the flesh but live by faith in the Spirit of God, that which is not without but within; righteous still, Holy still. Yes, consider those that make their boast in the flesh as not being unjust and filthy still. But He said “let it be” dead “let it be unjust still. Let it be filthy still” Galatians 2:20-21 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. [21] I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 3:2-4 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? [3] Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect (justified)by the flesh? [4] (he that is unjust, let him be unjust still. And he that is filthy, let him be filthy still) Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet (still)in vain.
I see no reason to give those declarations a spiritual meaning and removing the context.
Jesus has just stepped out of the heavenly sanctuary in order to return to earth. His ministration as High Priest has come to a conclusion, any further opportunity for man to repent, to approach God for salvation, is no longer available as the Mediator is no longer in His role. Now He's coming back as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. So...
KJV Revelation 22:11-12
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Before the Flood, after Noah entered the ark, God shut him in and shut the ungodly out; but for seven days the people, knowing not that their doom was fixed, continued their careless, pleasure-loving life and mocked the warnings of impending judgment. "So," says the Saviour, "shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Matthew 24:39. Silently, unnoticed as the midnight thief, will come the decisive hour which marks the fixing of every man's destiny, the final withdrawal of mercy's offer to guilty men.
 

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The answer is right before your eyes. That prophecy applies to those who (1) believed not the truth (Bible truth and Gospel truth) and (2) had pleasure in unrighteousness.

So how in the world would you apply that to God's people? The Church will be in Heaven when this prophecy is fulfilled. So, no, the Lamb's Wife will not be deceived like Adam's Wife.
Where was Adam and Eve when she was deceived?
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You have misunderstood this. Just like after surgery the surgeon "closes up the flesh", God performed His surgery and "closed up the flesh" of Adam. Instead of general anesthesia, God put Adam into a deep sleep. And after the "operation" you would not have known that Adam had had surgery.

There was no 13th rib.
Adam's was a unique situation, but God had already planned to give humans 12 paired ribs, and that is how it is right now. The human body is a remarkable thing, built with precision down to the last cell.

What most people are not being told by the so-called "experts" (conspirators) is that God had also given mankind a remarkable IMMUNE SYSTEM. And natural immunity followed by acquired immunity is generally sufficient to prevent germs from debilitating a healthy body. Of course we know why this information was literally sabotaged by the WHO (World Hoax Organization). Health is the last thing on their minds.

So I was thinking... :)

About that 13th rib...
And I thought about the 13th month, or the 13th day... so I went digging.
I like digging, Sometimes I find really cool and interesting stuff.

Like the 13th month, check this out:
The 13-month, 28-day alternative has been in use on this planet for more than 6000 years. In prehistoric India and China, and throughout South America it was the standard time-keeping system. The Essenes, Egyptians, Polynesians, Maya, Inca, Lakota, and Cherokee used a 13-month, 28-day calendar.
HISTORY of the 13-Month, 28-Day Calendar

Some interesting facts about another origen of the the 13th month.
You never know what old bones you'll find from the past. LOL
History of the 13-Month Calendar

There is no 13th month in the Bible, however, there is a 13th day. And there is a passage I found in the book of Esther that I found interesting.

Est 9:1 Now in the twelfth month, that is, the month Adar, on the thirteenth day of the same, when the king's commandment and his decree drew near to be put in execution, in the day that the enemies of the Jews hoped to have power over them, (though it was turned to the contrary, that the Jews had rule over them that hated them)
Est 9:2 The Jews gathered themselves together in their cities throughout all the provinces of the king Ahasuerus, to lay hand on such as sought their hurt: and no man could withstand them; for the fear of them fell upon all people.
Est 9:3 And all the rulers of the provinces, and the lieutenants, and the deputies, and officers of the king, helped the Jews; because the fear of Mordecai fell upon them.

So just having a little fun here, don't get flustered lol..

Adam had a 13th rib.. just saying.. this rib is the 13th day.
This 13th day Adam called Eve.
Eve the 13th day was deceived by Satan... in the day that the enemies hoped to have power over them.
And yet it was turned to the contrary, and the Jews were gathered together against those who saught their hurt. ie: the serpent.
Now Adam and Eve hid themselves among the rulers of the provinces and the lieutenants, and the deputies and officers of the king,
aka: the trees in the garden..
Because the fear of Mordecai (the Lord walking in the cool of the day) fell upon them.

Cool huh?
I haven't had my coffee yet..lol
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a few thoughts to consider. “Void” another word “waste”


Isaiah 58:12 And they that shall be of thee (Christ) shall build the old waste places: thou (Christ) shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou (Christ) shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

1 Peter 2:5-6 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. [6] Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

2 Corinthians 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed (restored)day by day.

In your study was also “desolate”
Psalm 34:22 The Lord redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate.




“your sins have withholden good things from you”
What withholds or restraineth?
Romans 8:31-32 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? [32] He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?




“The one holding it back steps out of the way.”


“your sins have withholden good things from you” Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:




“your sins have withholden good things from you”
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Romans 6:6-7 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. [7] For he that is dead is freed from sin.

2 Corinthians 3:14-16 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. [15] But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. [16] Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

What withholds? When if God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? “it will remain secret until the one who is holding it back steps out of the way” …is “steps out of the way” the same as “put away” or “put off” Ephesians 4:21-27 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: [22] That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; [23] And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; [24] And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. [25] Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. [26] Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: [27] Neither give place to the devil.

“it will remain secret until the one who is holding it back steps out of the way” 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: [4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Israel in the OT has always been God's church.
And like today, some believed and some didn't.
God used Jeremiah's mouth to send testimony and encouragemet and warnings to the church. And to show them how they were walking in error.
The Lord used Paul's mouth to send testimony and encouragement and warnings to the church. And to show them how they were walking in error.

Act 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Paul asks:
1Co 4:21 What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?

Who is he that steps out of the way so the son of perdition will be exposed?

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

man of sin, son of perdition. son of... perdition.

Perdition:
ἀπώλεια apṓleia, ap-o'-li-a; from a presumed derivative of G622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal):—damnable(-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

I told you these things...
NIV: The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie,

the love of the truth...
Zec 8:19 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; The fast of the fourth month, and the fast of the fifth, and the fast of the seventh, and the fast of the tenth, shall be to the house of Judah joy and gladness, and cheerful feasts; therefore love the truth and peace.

They received NOT the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Joy and gladness and cheerful...

What do the fourth, fifth, seventh and tenth fast have to do with joy, gladness and cheerfulness?
Why are these called fasts... and feasts?

Just tossing things around..
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Watching History repeat itself:
So many similarities, it's uncanny.

 

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I see no reason to give those declarations a spiritual meaning and removing the context.
I’m sorry for such a long post and so many verses but only sharing where the thoughts came from …right or wrong.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Romans 7:16-18 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. [17] Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. [18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Romans 8:6-10 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

there is the two: upon the carnally minded (tribulation and anguish) (to the Jew first, but also to the gentile)

but to be spiritually mind (peace, honour and glory) (to the Jew first, but also to the gentile)

[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God,(for we know the law is Spiritual) neither indeed can be. [8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. [9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. [10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Romans 8:12-14 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. [13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: (tribulation and anguish) but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. (Life, Peace, honour, glory)14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 2:9-11 (to be carnally minded is death)Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

(To be spiritually minded is Life and peace) But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: [11] For there is no respect of persons with God.

Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Revelation 22:11-12 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. [12] And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

1 Corinthians 3:13-15 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.(flesh or of God) [14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss:
Philippians 3:4-9 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: [5] Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; [6] Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. [7] But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. [8] Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, [9] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
After the inward man…

Isaiah 64:6-12 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. [7] And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities. [8] But now, O Lord, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand. [9] Be not wroth very sore, O Lord, neither remember iniquity for ever: behold, see, we beseech thee, we are all thy people. [10] Thy holy cities are a wilderness, Zion is a wilderness, Jerusalem a desolation. [11] Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned up with fire: and all our pleasant things are laid waste. (Matthew 23:36-38)[12] Wilt thou refrain thyself for these things, O Lord ? wilt thou hold thy peace, and afflict us very sore?

1 Corinthians 5:12-13 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? [13] But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Concerning the flood and the ark…why boast in those lost without. Have you considered baptism by water where one goes down underneath the water submerged; buried with Him in the likeness of His death that old man drowned; the New Man raised up into Life to be seated with Christ who is above the waves? What was the flood if not to cleanse the land yet He that comes afterwards Will baptize with Fire. As you said to give to every man according to his works: tribulation and anguish upon deeds of the flesh whereby it is impossible to please God and all will suffer loss, of all things. And honor and glory upon the Spirit of God: that we may be found having not our own righteousness but the Righteousness which comes from God (it is a gift) that is to say Christ the beloved Son in whom God is well pleased still…who did no harm, spoke no guile, neither threatened when threatened …to Him be peace, mercy and truth still and always.
 
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God used Jeremiah's mouth to send testimony and encouragement and warnings to the church.
Not "the Church". The kings and kingdom of Judah. And the people of Judah. The Church was established on the day of Pentecost in 30 AD. We need to be very clear about these things.
 

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Not "the Church". The kings and kingdom of Judah. And the people of Judah. The Church was established on the day of Pentecost in 30 AD. We need to be very clear about these things.

"the church in the wilderness …in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us" (Acts 7:38)

The “church” is the Assembly of God which has always been around.
 
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"the church in the wilderness …in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us" (Acts 7:38) The “church” is the Assembly of God which has always been around.
That word was incorrectly translated in Acts. It should have been "assembly" in the wilderness, since the majority of those Israelites were idolaters as we know from the incident of the Golden Calf. The "lively oracles" were the Ten Commandments, and Moses smashed them in anger when he saw the wickedness of the Israelites. So that word should definitely NOT have been "church".
 

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I don't think it's up to us to rewrite the bible though, even if we don't like a particular word.
Whoever translated it in the beginning believed it was church.. and the scripture can't be changed.. so..
it is what it is.
Don't you believe the church in the NT is the assembly of God's people?
Same for same.

In the OT the church was the Hebrews and the Egyptians which came out with them.
In the NT the church is the Jews and the Gentiles which came out with them.

same for same.

HISTORY REPEATS...REpeats...Repeats...repeats...
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So what happened in the OT is that when the Hebrews were called out of Egypt, many egyptians came with them.
And I believe these caused a lot of the hebrews to stumble.
The calf and the idols.. the ideology came from egypt..
A LOT OF THINGS CAME FROM EGYPT..
and we need to discern between who is leading who.

So comparing with today. You have God's church and you have the world's secular churches that are growing daily and moving in on God's church trying to bury them and make them disappear. Otherwise your a racist, didn't ya know?

What is... until the times of the gentiles be fulfilled?

remnant.. scattered..few there be that find it.

thinking..
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