Thanks Tim,
Can you post the scriptures where you see the LORD on earth during Jacob's Trouble.
Thank you
Matthew 13:36-40
"Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man (can only happen after the 6th Seal, Second Coming event); The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world."
Both Jesus and Satan are actively "on the campaign trail" so to speak during the Trumpets and Thunders. This cannot happen after Revelation 19 into the time frame of Revelation 20. For one, Satan is bound in the pit. For another, all humanity have already physically died.
The harvest at the end of the world is not the end of the world. The harvest is the final harvest before the Day of the Lord. This harvest is gathered by the angels after the rapture and Second Coming. This harvest deals with the 8+ billion souls currently alive on the earth. Jesus is not sitting up in heaven zapping people from afar.
You all accept that Jesus physically walked the earth as the Messiah cut off in the first century. Why for God's sake, would you deny Jesus walking the earth as Prince before He is announced King of all nations at the 7th Trumpet? Jesus is gathering His Kingdom via the wheat and also the sheep of Matthew 25:31-34
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,"
This coming of the Son of man is Jesus at the Second Coming. It is prior to all on earth being killed. This sitting on a throne in a temple in Jerusalem will happen. Jesus will be pronounced King after the final harvest, and the angels will be gathering all humanity, not part of the church, because the church left at the Second Coming, not years later after the final harvest.
And this is Jacob's trouble because the sheep and goats are Israel, and the 144k are sealed before this judgment on Israel even starts. Reformed theology teaches this is only about the church and the lost, and they steal Israel from being physical Jacob, and turn this into a spiritual symbolic nightmare. They deny the angels are physically on the earth removing souls from physical bodies and putting the sheep into permanent incorruptible physical bodies. They deny that the angels are physically tossing the goats and tares into the LOF.
"Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels."
"And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
This is the same place the beast and false prophet are tossed into:
"These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."
Why does John have to repeat to the exact term or even the exact way Jesus already taught decades prior? We know that the LOF is available during this time. But theology teaches us that Matthew 13 and Matthew 25 have been ongoing for the last 2 millennia, just like amil teach about Revelation and a series of recaps all starting in the first century.
You asked for Scripture. Maybe no verse tells you what you want to hear. The only proof verse, that post trib people have is in Matthew and Mark, and is quoted out of context, even though English grammer seams airtight. The words seem specific and direct, but they also contradict other Scripture which is not being taken as specific and defined, even though they should be. One must not take 2 verses of the same address, and form doctrine, and then change the rest of Scripture that contradicts that doctrine. One must understand why there is a contrast in interpretation.