One Drink Of The Holy Spirit

There is a false teaching out there about a baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues as if saved believers will not always have the Holy Spirit as promised upon their salvation.

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No. I do not, but I believe God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people ( 1 Corinthians 14:21 ) and not serving as a prayer language in babbling nonsense through the believers by the Holy Spirit to God.

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JesusIsFaithful said:

Thank you, 1forrest, for confirming the word for us in defense of the faith in Jesus Christ.

Aand thank you Lord Jesus for raisng someone up to confirm the word so that others may know that by believing in Him, we are saved just as by believing in Him, we are born again and thus born of the Spirit whereby we have received the spirit of our adoption to call God Father in Heaven.

May every believer believe that they had received the promise of the Holy Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ to rest in Him that they are saved.

There is no other hope of our calling.

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JesusIsFaithful said:

Is it not evil for saved believers to seek to receive a baptism with the Holy Spirit with evidence of tongues thus denying the promise of the Spirit for all those that are born again by faith in Jesus Christ?
If you require evidence of the Holy Spirit baptism for yourself, I doubt you have received it. Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."
How did Jesus say someone is born again? John 3:5 "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

And is it not evil for saved believers to be given this other calling where they preach Spirit-filled believers to seek "another" baptism with the Holy Spirit with evidence of tongues thus denying the warning about those that preach another gospel, another Jesus, and thus another spirit to receive as if they had not received Him yet in 2 Corinthians 11:3-4?
It is you who are preaching another Gospel as evidenced by the scripture above (John 3:5).

Is it not strange how those that seek this tongue that comes with no interpretation, do so by asking the Holy Spirit to come & fall on them and yet it is of evil because only Jesus can answer prayers; John 14:13-14 which is proof that He is the only way in coming to God the Father for answered prayers and not the Holy Spirit?
I think it is evil to seek this particular spiritual gift in others. But to seek to speak in tongues for yourself? That is between you and God. Romans 8:26 "In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans."

Didn't Jesus warned that those that climb up around Him in coming to God the Father will result in following a stranger's voice which is tongues that comes with no interpretation?
I don't know where you get that from, and be careful what you say. You are call the Lord Jesus a stranger. John 16:13 "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come." The interpreter is for the edification of the Saints.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers

Did He not say that any one, even that spirit they claim is the Holy Spirit coming inbetween them and God is a thief?

John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door:

Do tongue speakers not credit the Holy Spirit for answering prayers and not Jesus, the Son of God?
I don't know what they do. But if they did that I think it is with the understanding that the Holy Spirit is with them because of Jesus..

Believers that take the initial encounter will often changed their testimony that causes apostasy to follow.

My neighbour was reading her Bible one day in the kitchen until she described the Holy Spirit cam over her and she began to speak in tongues. She said that was when she was saved because she got it all at once. So I had asked her what she was reading that led her to believe in Jesus Christ. She was taken aback by that and disregarded the question by sharing the expereince of asking her pastor what had happened and the pastor referenced the Book of Acts which I assume she meant Acts 2nd chapter where they were all waiting around doing everyday thing when the promise of the Holy Spirit had come.

She went on to explain that others have testified of similar experiences, but I had caught her eyes at rolling about that as if she did not believe in some of them.

In any event, she changed her testimony as to when she was saved and it should be no wonder to you why believers are preaching that if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit and therefore you are not saved. And guess what? By that preaching, saved believers seek to receive the spirit by evidence of tongues which comes with no interpretation and so that supports that false teaching, doesn't it?
Was there a point to that story?

So why would God manifest tongues that comes with no interpretation that would support a lie? Because believers are believing every spirit that comes over them to be of God and failing to test the spirits.
Tongues can be for prayer. From my only experience with tongues I was praying to rebuke an evil spirit. Matthew 12:26 "And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?"

Even Joyce Meyers testified that she was called into the ministry by that sign of the Holy Ghost coming over and when she began to speak in tongues and yet... once again... I share what Paul said God's gift of tongues was for and how it was used to serve as a sign for.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

God's actual gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people and it is not to serve as a sign for the believers to use tongues by; not for proving they are saved; not for proving that they have the Holy Spirit, and certainly not for proving that God called them into the ministry.

For all the hooplah of tongues supposedly being manifested by the Holy Spirit, where is the rebuke for applying tongues as validating apostasy? Does any one think God would look the other way on that and keep on manifesting tongues any way? I think not.

We are not to believe every spirit but test the spirits; even the tongues they bring as there is a supernatural tongue in the world that is just babbling nonsense and that is how the world speaks which is by that spirit of error. 1 John 4:5-6 Since the Holy Spirit is in the believer as promised, then any spirit that comes over an already saved believer IS NOT the Holy Ghost and that tongue which comes with no interpretation is NOT God's gift of tongues; no matter what.

Wow... Please Forgive him Father, he speaks in ignorance about your Holy Spirit whom he does not know.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

If that is not enough to test the tongue with no interpretation as not of Him...how does one avoid the appearance of being mad when using tongues as a prayer language?

1 Corinthians 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

You use 1 Corinthians 13:1 for validation of tongues without interpretation; as I understand tongue speakers will use that as a favorite reference but....

1 Corinthians 13:1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.


These are exaggerations to illustrate a point about not having love. Name one believer in the N.T. that have done any of that in an exaggerated sense even with love.

And angels have spoken to us in our language. There is no necessity to speak to them in their language.

The Holy Spirit leads us to speak the words He would have us speak in ministering to others, and so there is no need to use tongues in a foreign language to convey what is in our hearts or what is needed to be prayed for since He can lead us to pray in our normal language so that we will know what we had prayed for to give the Father genuine thanks in Jesus's name for answered prayers which is the will of God for us to do.

1 Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing. 18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.


It is the devil's will to cut into your personal prayer time with babbling nonsense to lead you away from doing the will of God.2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.....24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.


1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

Saved believers experiencing what they believe to be the Holy Spirit coming over them, bringing a supernatural tongue which comes with no interpretation when the Holy Spirit was already in them as promised by faith in Jesus Christ is just cause to test the tongues they bring as God's gift of tongues can only be of other men's lips to speak unto the people.

Is this not true of the Holy Spirit in how He speaks?

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Then the Holy Spirit will not speak on His own accord by using God's gift of tongues as a prayer language in giving His own intercessions to God. That is why His intercessions are unspeakbale and unutterable which is another reason why the Son of God is knowing the mind of the Spirit in giving the unspeakable intercessions of the Spirit to the Father because in according to the will of God, there is only One Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Behold how the Father knows before we ask anything in normal prayer and that is by the Son searching our hearts.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

With Jesus knowing the mind of the Spirit, there is no need for the Holy Spirit to use God's gift of tongues as a prayer language when Jesus is giving the unspeakable intercessions of the Spirit's to the Father because that is His job whereas the Holy Spirit can only speak what He hears as God's gift of tongues are of other men's lips to speak unto the people.


Sharing the clarification of seeking the process of sanctification under the guidance of the Good Shepherd, the Lord Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit in us; I would have to say involved sowing to the fruits of the Spirit rather than sowing to the works of the flesh is a part of the process.

There is no need to seek a continual supernatural filling of the Holy Spirit again and again every time a believer sins or had sown to the flesh , because the Holy Spirit is not going anywhere and thus we should be aware not to grieve the Holy Spirit in us; Ephesians 4:30

Other contributions to the process of sanctification can involve these references.

We are always Spirit-filled as promised otherwise that makes God unable to keep His promise.

This is why we are held accountable to what we sow towards because we are always Spirit-filled, so nobody will be able to excuse themselves from trusting Jesus Christ as their Good Shepherd in helping them to live as His by learning of Him & His promises to us while sowing to the fruits of the Spirit in spite of being in this fallible sinful flesh that tempts us to sow to the works of the flesh.

It is also important to note how this renewing is being done; which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him.

Romans 12:1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; 10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 7 Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace. 8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ. 9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Anyway, by His grace & by His help, I wanted to clarify that part in agreeing with 1forrest about exactly what it is we are to seek after in the ongoing sanctification process and its is by faith in Jesus Christ.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I believe there is no more I can share with you all in defense of the faith in Jesus Christ. Good bye.

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Is it not evil for saved believers to seek to receive a baptism with the Holy Spirit with evidence of tongues thus denying the promise of the Spirit for all those that are born again by faith in Jesus Christ?

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