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Not sure if it bossy, but it is barely readable, sword
Not sure if it is just a culture thing or not, but I could not get past the first sentence
Do unitarians go to hell?
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Not sure if it bossy, but it is barely readable, sword
Not sure if it is just a culture thing or not, but I could not get past the first sentence
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I apologize for the delayed reply. I wanted to give an elaborated response.
First I want to address judgement as being individual rather than collective. God does judge nations, but these do not make it to the Bema seat of Christ.
Romans 14:12 says: "So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God."
also 2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 2:6, Daniel 12:1, Revelation 20:12
But most compelling to this argument is Exodus 32:33 "The Lord replied to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book."
I would also like to address the Unitarian beliefs themselves, but instead of engaging in a fruitless argument about their doctrines that will drag on forever i am going to cut to the root of the matter.
1. Universalism (everyone gets a free ticket to heaven)
2. Oneself is the final authority for truth (basically its believe whatever you want)
3. Jesus is not divine (No Trinity)
4. Homosexuality (Accepted)
The Unitarians are humanists who take their desire for everyone to be saved, and assume the authority of God to redefine truth and make it so. The world hates Jesus, so they would strip him of his power as God to make more people happy. And of course they would accept homosexuality, now that the bible is out of their way. The humanist ideology is the deceitful and wicked human heart run amok.
We should all be so lucky.
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You are not ment to laugh at any one. I dont see why you think this is funny. I am either right or I am wrong.
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you must be put in an inferior/submissive position, any kind of way, in order to continue in the dominance/submission relationship that you have entered into iow
LOL, I knew it, you just can't resist it can you.
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The First Son of the Vineyard Owner did not understand your concept of "Messiah," and even disagrees with you; what about him
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A or notA, what's it gonna be folks. You gotta pick one, see, and then you gotta defend it for the rest of your life i guess
you are right, and you are wrong imo, just like me
ps, i really don't see any evidence of @ByGrace being hurt tho tbh
@"ByGrace" ah
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101G
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GINOLJC, to all, to my brother lforrest, apology None needed. second, you said, which is correct,
I agree, but may we also recognize, Romans 2:16 "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel". this is very important, because many preach a "false", or "another G2087 heteros " Gospel. this is so critical to salvation. let me share something with you, as to why we get the right gospel. your Revelation 20:12 that you posted is the great reason why we need to get the right Gospel, listen. "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works". now let's back up to Acts chapter 10 and the gentile man Cornelius, who was a centurion. notice what happen, Acts 10:4 "And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God". that word "memorial" is the Greek word, G3422 μνημόσυνον mnemosunon (mnee-mo-sï '-non) n. which means Preservative of memory, or simply put remember. hold that thought and let's go to the book of Malachi 3:16 "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. 17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. 18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not".
these verses give us an insight on what the Lord is doing in eternity. A. a book is made to remember by. B. he's making his jewels. STOP. if everything is so set as some claim why is God "MAKING UP" his Jewels?. C. he saves those serve and fear him, just as this gentile man Cornelius did. and God "remembered" this man, "Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God". this tells me that everybody is not getting a free ticket to heaven. for the apostle Peter said it best, Acts 10:34 "Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him". so my brother lforres, you are very correct on judging nations, meaning the individual persons in them. and thes people must abide by his "WAY" and not "ours", which again you're correct.
so thanks for the post, and i hope that i said something that may enlighten you also. be blessed in the Lord and again thanks.
PS you might want to cross reference acts 10:4 with Malachi 3:16, and revelation 20:12
God doesn't judge Unitarians as a whole and God doesn't judge nations anymore as in the Old Covenant. In the New Covenant, it's now an individual salvation and we are a nation, in Christ, and He died for a person, you. God once dealt with a nation through a high priest but now deals with people individually through Jesus, our high priest.
Ezekiel 37, Romans 5:8
As a Unitarian, do you just shake hands with the Gardener or is the Gardener revealing Himself to you? John 20
101G
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God judges false doctrine, and idolatry. Revelation 2:14 "But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication". Revelation 2:15 "So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate". Revelation 2:20 "Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. (eating things here is not physical FOOD). verse 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden". all doctrine that is not of God is idol worship, plain and simple. it makes no difference if one is Unitarian, Trinitarian, JW, Mormon, Zoroastrianism, Buddhist, or Muslim, or any of the LIKE, if it's not of God, then it's Idol worship.
Nation means PEOPLE, but what kind of PEOPLE?. those who repent and come to the TRUTH, or not. Revelation 21:24 "And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it". the kings of the nations are not one person, but repented people who obey God, scripture, Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen". now, the unrepresented people, Revelation 11:18 "And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth". who are these that are "angry?", answer the HEATHENS the unrepentant ones. scripture, Psalms 2:1 "Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?". rage here is angry, VAIN THINGS? means worthless things, or emptiness, NOTHING. scripture, 1 Corinthians 8:1 "Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. 2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. 3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him. :4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him". one GOD, ONE PERSON, Thomas said it best, John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God". Jesus is "Lord" (Son) with a flesh and bone body without blood, NOW GLORIFIED, also he's "God" (Father) without flesh, without bone, and without blood (Spirit). any other doctrine is false. so what are you eating? you are what you eat.
so I know some will say who made you the expert, never said I was... (smile). my Job is only to tell you. when he separate his sheep from the goats, not the wolves, but the goats among the sheep, then you will know.
be blessed.
Green grass.
Humanity is the sheep and the goats are the nations, Zephaniah 3:8 and the nations have already been judged. The sin debt has been paid and we are all reconciled and for those who believe in His Son, have eternal life. It is an individual salvation now and for those who believe, they are a nation, in Christ and we can't have a nation, in Christ without a King reigning.
Not all Christians are Dispy but many are or will be recovering from being Dispy. I'm still in the recovery stage and unable to do battle, at this time, with those that are still Dispy. But that's ok, the battle isn't mine anyway, I just stand, Ephesians 6:13.
101G
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Zephaniah 3:8-11 "Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy. 9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent. 10 From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering. 11 In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain".
from among the people, God will root out false doctrine, and return the pure language, true doctrine, so that people can call/BELIEVE on his name in order to serve him in "spirit and in truth". again what you eat is what you are.
you said, "Humanity is the sheep and the goats are the nations", nope can't buy that. scripture, Matthew 25:31 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:verse :32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats" so sheep and goats are nations of people, not just goats are the nations as you said.
peace and be blessed.
If grace was a doctrine, what you write, is true but I don't believe Grace is a doctrine, Grace is Jesus. It's not because of our doctrine we are His because if that were so, we would love our doctrine more than we love Jesus and we would be no different from any other religion. We are to believe not our doctrine, it could be wrong, but to just believe on the one whom He has sent, John 6:29 and at the moment of belief, John 3:7, the Holy Spirit moves in, John 14:16 and you will be sealed with the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13, and you will have eternal life, 1 John 2:25 and this eternal life is what we hold onto, 1 Timothy 6:12. The promise God gave me is eternal life and I am the righteousness of God in Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:21 and this is our good confession, 1 Timothy 6:12. It's all about Jesus!
God showed His love by the Cross, 1 John 4:9.
And I choose to eat green grass and follow the path of His righteousness, Psalm 23.
Is it true that Unitarians, as a whole, do not believe Jesus is God and therefore do not believe they need a Savior? Or do I have this wrong?
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101G
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Jesus is GRACE, and he's the Gospel. Titus 2:10 "Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things". Christ is our alone Saviour, and he is truly and properly God, and so fit and able to be a Saviour; and the Gospel is his doctrine. I suggest you read your commentaries
see above.
they believe that the Lord Jesus is an agent, or in the Hebrew Shaliah of God to do his bidding on earth. that's a Hersey. Jesus is God himself "shared" or diversified in flesh.
hoped that helped you.
I don't read commentaries instead I read what it is more beneficial and encouraging for me and that is to allow the Bible to interpret the Bible because that's what New Covenant prophesy is and the Holy Spirit is the Teacher.
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