Jesus is a human being but not the one true God

GodsGrace said:

I'll bet you knew that!

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it wouldn't have occurred to me to interpret that passage that way, but i was pretty sure since there was a "hate yourself" that there would also be a "love yourself" in There somewhere. Ty!

lforrest said:

When Jesus tought me from the Bible it was never more clear to me. Then over the years I would learn some new interpretation, and inevitably the new interpretation would be proven wrong and back I went to my original understanding.

I never had a firm grasp of revelation though, but if it is important for me to know I'm sure Jesus will teach me. Same for anything else where my understanding is lacking.

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How about this:
You get a revelation that you need at the time.
You're happy and feel like you understand everything.
About 10 years later you realize you really don't undersand.
Back to square one.
Many years later, you realize you will NEVER understand...perhaps because there is no answer.

The Christian life is life of growth.
And Learning. Some here seem to be against Learning, but it certainly comes in handy when witnessing!

amadeus said:

He has given people a portion, but that does not have to be the end. It is only the end if we have stopped moving spiritually. If we have then eventually we will die.

To stand still indefinitely is to stagnate. God's people who are to live forever with Him are not stagnate, but Alive!

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"you will not finish going through all the towns before I return"

GodsGrace said:

I'm hearing a lot of talk on this thread about how we cannot just have knowledge.
I reply that knowledge is also necessary.

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Knowledge is necessary, the problem with believers is that they seldom are able to distinguish between what they know and what they believe. As we are growing in God what we know should be on the increase and eventually replacing some things believed. Of course, some thing believes will turn out to be in error and if we are following the lead of God, the errors where necessary will be corrected.

The best I could do is post
1 Corinthians 2:14-16

The bible can only be understood SPIRITUALLY.
The carnal man will not understand it.

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Agreed! Unfortunately some people presume they are spiritual all of the time once they have come to God for the first time. If this is ever so, I would say that that was an unusual occurrence.

There are persons in university that study the bible like a book.
THAT will not bring to saving faith -- although God could work through that too.

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I am certain that you are correct in this although I, myself, never studied the Bible at when I was in the university. I know however there are some who have studied the Bible completely of school situations and also have no real faith in God.

One has to be born again first, and THEN he will understand the bible.

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I would say rather that he may then have the tools to study the Bible with understanding. When is it that a person is born again?

Consider how much understanding a naturally born baby has when it comes out of the womb. He's got a lot of maturing [growing] to do before he is able to consume and properly digest the meat that an adult can eat daily. The baby begins with milk and goes to very soft foods and finally to meat. So it must be with a spiritual baby.

Seems simple enough...
One is not born a Christian,
One becomes a Christian, as our experiences have shown both of us.

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Yes, we may all be attracted to God. Not everyone who is so attracted even acknowledges that attraction and begins to approach God.

lforrest said:

When Jesus tought me from the Bible it was never more clear to me. Then over the years I would learn some new interpretation, and inevitably the new interpretation would be proven wrong and back I went to my original understanding.

I never had a firm grasp of revelation though, but if it is important for me to know I'm sure Jesus will teach me. Same for anything else where my understanding is lacking.

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By seeking first the kingdom of God, we are lead unto all truth. This is the promise of these days.

ya, just because a deeper rev came later does not mean the previous one is invalid imo

GodsGrace said:

So why is it a mystery to you?
Why do you pretend not to understand?

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because "Family is sacred to both Jesus and all the early Christians." needed a counterbalance, at least, imo. "Sacred" strikes me as pushing it; "who is my family? These are my mothers and brothers and sisters, who do what God wants" paraphrased iow

bbyrd009 said:

it wouldn't have occurred to me to interpret that passage that way, but i was pretty sure since there was a "hate yourself" that there would also be a "love yourself" in There somewhere. Ty!

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Ying and Yang.

You know when I first became a Christian I had never read the bible or knew any theology or anything. All I knew is that I was in my kitchen in Whitestone NY and God spoke to me something that was true and worked for me. This made me believe in God even though I had known about Him all my life.

So when I started to read the bible I was pretty horrified to read
Mathew 15:21-28
Mathew 15:26

It said it wasn't right to give the bread of the children and throw it to the dogs!
I couldn't believe it.

But you know what? I knew Jesus enough to know that I wasn't understanding something.

So, yes, even though we don't understand something exactly right, we can Always be sure that Jesus did not mean it in a negative way but in a good way to help us.

lforrest said:

A true revelation it will never be proven wrong.

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Correct.
The revelation was true.
But my understanding about something regarding the revelation was not correct.

lforrest said:

At the time I was seeking harder than I ever had before. Like my life depended on it, cause it did.

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...Then you were on the right track. God is good!

bbyrd009 said:

ya, just because a deeper rev came later does not mean the previous one is invalid imo

because "Family is sacred to both Jesus and all the early Christians." needed a counterbalance, at least, imo. "Sacred" strikes me as pushing it; "who is my family? These are my mothers and brothers and sisters, who do what God wants" paraphrased iow

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Yes bb.
But when I'm sick in bed with a fever it's my husband or my daughter that bring me something to eat or drink.

This could become long...
IF everyone did what a Christian is SUPPOSED to do, then YES, what you say would be true. This refers to Kingdom living. I don't see too much Kingdom living.
We're supposed to help each other, but do we really? Do we go visit the sick?

So sacred means holy. Holy means to be set apart. A family is set apart from the rest of society to be of service to God. Holy only means to be set apart for service to God.

Did God not create the family?
He created Adam and Eve.
Then they had children.
God protected even Cain who had killed but HE was not to be killed.
(blood is precious to God)

So yes, it's not too much to say that the family is sacred, if we understand what it means. This is why God hates divorce.

amadeus said:

Knowledge is necessary, the problem with believers is that they seldom are able to distinguish between what they know and what they believe. As we are growing in God what we know should be on the increase and eventually replacing some things believed. Of course, some thing believes will turn out to be in error and if we are following the lead of God, the errors where necessary will be corrected.



Agreed! Unfortunately some people presume they are spiritual all of the time once they have come to God for the first time. If this is ever so, I would say that that was an unusual occurrence.



I am certain that you are correct in this although I, myself, never studied the Bible at when I was in the university. I know however there are some who have studied the Bible completely of school situations and also have no real faith in God.



I would say rather that he may then have the tools to study the Bible with understanding. When is it that a person is born again?

Consider how much understanding a naturally born baby has when it comes out of the womb. He's got a lot of maturing [growing] to do before he is able to consume and properly digest the meat that an adult can eat daily. The baby begins with milk and goes to very soft foods and finally to meat. So it must be with a spiritual baby.



Yes, we may all be attracted to God. Not everyone who is so attracted even acknowledges that attraction and begins to approach God.

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Agreed on all.
I do know persons who study the bible as a book and it totally turns them off to God.
Very few are able to get past that because it creates such doubt.
Everything negative is brought out.
How Genesis is incorrect.
How there are discrepancies.
etc.
The bible is actually ridiculed.

amadeus said:

My friend, once a person has received the gift of the Holy Ghost, the inspiration is there. Some people read the Bible and understand things without realizing it is God talking to their heart by the Holy Ghost that has given them any real understanding at all:

What power is it that the Holy Ghost gives to us?

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth." Acts 1:8

To be witnesses? How can we be witnesses? By the power of God through the Holy Ghost.

You use the word, inspiration, as if it was some special revelation and it certainly is... to the person to whom God is making the revelation. Every person who had been drawn to God has received a revelation, an inspiration, but the end is not yet.

Some people or groups [this means churches as men call them] may believe that they have got all that God has to say through the scriptures already down pat in their heart.
But they do not.
God is unlimited.
He has given people a portion, but that does not have to be the end. It is only the end if we have stopped moving spiritually. If we have then eventually we will die.

To stand still indefinitely is to stagnate. God's people who are to live forever with Him are not stagnate, but Alive!

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No, it is you who used the word 'inspiration' to refer to the same inspiration that God used with the writers of Scripture. See your post #410. And I commented on it.

You are wanting now to contrast believers who learn by the Spirit and those who learn through the Scriptures. And of course those who learn by the 'spirit' are so much more 'spiritual'. It is ridiculous. Those who are spiritually mature learn through both the written Word and the Spirit.

Stranger

GodsGrace said:

But when I'm sick in bed with a fever it's my husband or my daughter that bring me something to eat or drink.

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ah forgot, you're prolly Italian lol

GodsGrace said:

We're supposed to help each other, but do we really? Do we go visit the sick?

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ha we're amurricans we pay people to do that

GodsGrace said:

So sacred means holy. Holy means to be set apart. A family is set apart from the rest of society to be of service to God. Holy only means to be set apart for service to God.

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if you identify with your biological family and do not leave them to become one though (either by marriage or the...less socially accepted route), you will likely love your family in the way that hate your family is addressing.

but this is not for you i guess
you are Italian

GodsGrace said:

family is sacred, if we understand what it means.

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ya

i can sure witness that Italians' biological family life reflects those spiritual analogs much better than having family flung all over the country and prolly even the world like we seem to do now

note 4 separate replies to one (long) post here, and see how highlight/reply allows me to effectively break in to your post to reply to a point, which is what you want to do anyway right

Stranger said:

Those who are spiritually mature learn through both the written Word and the Spirit.

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i agree, but imo Rhema should first be consumed, without even trying to understand too hard even, just getting it in, and then letting hearing come by Word, iow recognizing IRL when you are watching a verse that you read come to life

bbyrd009 said:

ha we're amurricans we pay people to do that

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I'm Amurrican too!