What about the two Witnesses ?

there have been discussion on the two witness.

I'm of the belief that they are John the Baptist and the Lord Jesus the Christ.

PCY

pompadour said:

I have not seen a discussion about the Two Witnesses. ( I may have missed one )
I have seen them mentioned from time to time. Of the end time Prophecy's they have to be the big one.

" I will send my two witnesses before the great and terrible day of the Lord "
As I remember, They will show up five days before the antichrist is revealed. and that will start the 7yr. tribulation.

That will be an in your face prophecy that will tell every one where we are in history. No if, and, or buts or about it.
There is some debate about who they are. Elisa should be one of them. Maybe Moses or Enoch.
For sure they will be shaking things up for three and a half yrs.

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Who did the 3 Apostles see at the Transfiguration of Our Savior, One represents the Torah [Law] and One represents the Prophet's !!!

Yes they will be testifying and Preaching, until, then all He_ _ breaks loose!
Notice, I mentioned no name's, just a thought for other's to Ponder! As always give all Honer to Creator and Son,

pompadour said:

Thats the two that I would guess also.

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Yes! My Guess is kinda Firm, just not completely sure??

101G said:

I'm of the belief that they are John the Baptist and the Lord Jesus the Christ.

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Since Christian witnesses testify of Christ, how can He be one of the witnesses? And since He died only once for sins for ever, He cannot die again.

And since John the Baptist denied that he was Elijah, but came "in the spirit and power of Elijah", then it is Elijah himself who must surely come to earth when the Antichrist takes control. It is prophesied that he will come to earth before the Day of the LORD, and so it shall be.

And since it was Moses and Elijah would came to communicate with Christ at His Transfiguration, it is Moses and Elijah who will come to earth as the two Witnesses (who are also two prophets). The judgments that they bring to earth are a reflection of the judgments they brought while they lived on earth.

These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not [Elijah] in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, [Moses] as often as they will. (Rev 11:6)

I believe they will be 2 godly men, preaching and converting the Jews in Jerusalem, while the Church in the rest of the world will be undergoing persecution like its never seen before...
Think Holocaust but on a world wide scale ...

But after crucifixion..... Glory!

Enoch111 said:

Since Christian witnesses testify of Christ, how can He be one of the witnesses? And since He died only once for sins for ever, He cannot die again.

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#1. who said that the two witness must die twice?

Enoch111 said:

And since John the Baptist denied that he was Elijah, but came "in the spirit and power of Elijah", then it is Elijah himself who must surely come to earth when the Antichrist takes control. It is prophesied that he will come to earth before the Day of the LORD, and so it shall be.

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#2. you answered your own self about John, "he came "in the spirit and power of Elijah".

STOP, I see your problem, remember this letter is signified.

Now, concering John as the Elijah to come, as said he came in the spirit and power of Elijah. Question, "can the Lord Jesus Lie?" of course not. after the Lord Jesus transfigured himself before them, and was coming down off the mountain, his disciples asked a question, listen and understand. Matthew 17:9 "And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

Matthew 17:10 "And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

Matthew 17:11 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Matthew 17:12 "But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, (STOP, READ THAT AGAIN) and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

Matthew 17:13 "Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist".

That's plain as DAY. the Lord Jesus cannot lie.

Enoch111 said:

And since it was Moses and Elijah would came to communicate with Christ at His Transfiguration, it is Moses and Elijah who will come to earth as the two Witnesses (who are also two prophets). The judgments that they bring to earth are a reflection of the judgments they brought while they lived on earth.

These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not [Elijah] in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, [Moses] as often as they will. (Rev 11:6)

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#3. see, Moses and Elijah are the signified, or the symbolic representative of the two witness. they point to the actual two witness as shown in #2 above.

understand, the Lord Jesus is the TRUTH, and he witness of himself, but there need to be a verify, a second witness to the truth. listen,

John 18:37 "Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

and John witness to that truth, John 1:6 "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

John 1:7 "The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe".

as for the water, Moses, turning the Nile into blood, the symbol of blood is red. now, the Lord Jesus, the wedding in Cana where he turned water into wine. wine being "RED" the symbol for blood.

power to shut heaven, no water, the water is the word of God symbolic. John's Baptism with water was to restore, no drought. understand, Amos 8:11 "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD". hearing the WORD of GOD? what was the first words out of John mouth? "REPENT". he had the power to shut heaven. Matthew 3:7 "But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Matthew 3:8 "Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

No Repentance, no baptizing. and without it heaven is shut to them. if you don't believe John have that power, or AUTHORITY, Just read, Matthew 21:23-27

also remember a witness here is a "martyr".

PCY

101G said:

#1. who said that the two witness must die twice?

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You are the one who said that one of the witnesses is Christ. Firstly He cannot be a witness for Himself, and secondly He cannot die again.

101G said:

But I say unto you, That Elias is come already,...

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Yes. And that is purely metaphorical. Here is what John the Baptist said:And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. (John 1:21)

Enoch111 said:

You are the one who said that one of the witnesses is Christ. Firstly He cannot be a witness for Himself, and secondly He cannot die again.

Yes. And that is purely metaphorical. Here is what John the Baptist said:And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. (John 1:21)

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GINOLJC, to all

first thanks for the reply. second I beg the differ, Jesus the Christ is a diversity of himself in flesh.

third, when they asked John if he was Elijah, his answer is no, there is no reincarnation.

fourth, he came in the spirit and power of, of, of, of, Elijah not the flesh and blood man Elijah. he came in his ways or character, or his characteristic.

now, when the Lord Jesus came off the mountain and said, Matthew 17:12 "But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

Matthew 17:13 "Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist".


in verse 12 the Lord Jesus says plainly that Elijah come "ALREADY" so when did Elijah come, I'll be waiting for that answer.

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in verse 12 the Lord Jesus says plainly that Elijah come "ALREADY" so when did Elijah come, I'll be waiting for that answer.

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What the Lord was saying is that John was a type of Elijah since he was the forerunner for Christ at His first coming. John came to bring Israel to repentance, just as Elijah will come do the the very same thing before the second coming.

But Elijah must come before the Day of the LORD, and the Day of the LORD corresponds to the Great Tribulation, which will be followed by the second coming of Christ.

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. (Mal 4:5,6)

When Christ came the first time, He brought the Day of Grace with Him, since grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. When He comes the second time, God's severe judgments have already been poured out upon the earth. See Revelation 4-18. And we see Elijah in Rev 11.

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap (Mal 3:1,2)

pompadour said:

I have not seen a discussion about the Two Witnesses. ( I may have missed one )
I have seen them mentioned from time to time. Of the end time Prophecy's they have to be the big one.

" I will send my two witnesses before the great and terrible day of the Lord "
As I remember, They will show up five days before the antichrist is revealed. and that will start the 7yr. tribulation.

That will be an in your face prophecy that will tell every one where we are in history. No if, and, or buts or about it.
There is some debate about who they are. Elisa should be one of them. Maybe Moses or Enoch.
For sure they will be shaking things up for three and a half yrs.

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Enoch & Elijah the only two who never physically died, as it's appointed unto man once to die.

Hebrews 9:27KJV
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

pompadour said:

I have not seen a discussion about the Two Witnesses. ( I may have missed one )
I have seen them mentioned from time to time. Of the end time Prophecy's they have to be the big one.

" I will send my two witnesses before the great and terrible day of the Lord "
As I remember, They will show up five days before the antichrist is revealed. and that will start the 7yr. tribulation.

That will be an in your face prophecy that will tell every one where we are in history. No if, and, or buts or about it.
There is some debate about who they are. Elisa should be one of them. Maybe Moses or Enoch.
For sure they will be shaking things up for three and a half yrs.

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I Don't See The Future "Antichrist/Beast" Ruling Supreme As Many Teach And Claim?

Rev 11:1-15 Is A Good Summary Of The Tribulation, The Two Witnesses Will Be In Control, Just Like The Day's Of Moses, Aaron, And Pharoh In Egypt, Same Scenario

Revelation 11:3-6 & 10KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

pompadour said:

The mount of transfiguration is a bug clue for me. But some people think maybe Enoch because he was taken alive to Heaven like Elisha.

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I have read the post's after this one, and there was a thread a while back about this very Subject, and as before there is contention beginning to fester! Moses died, Scripture makes that clear! Elijah was taken up, Right! so the contention is and will be about!!!!! Man is appointed but Once To Die!! perfectly understandable, OK ! Moses died, but was seen at the Transfiguration, Right! Elijah did not die, but was also seen at the Transfiguration, Right! So who are we to establish who will be the two witnesses?? If God allowed both Moses and Elijah to Appear, then they both had to be in Glorified bodies, no living flesh can enter the Heavens, Right! God will use whomever He chooses to be the Two Witnesses!

Moses died according to Scripture, So how did Moses Appear, knowing that He was buried, and when was Moses resurrected into this Glorified body? the Scripture States that Moses went up on Mount Ne'bo Alone! Deuteronomy 34:5-6
5- "So Moses the Servant of the Lord died there in the land of Mo'ab, according to the word of the Lord.
6 - And HE [who is He] buried him [Moses] in a valley in the land of Mo'ab, opposite Beth Pe'or; But no one knows His [Moses]grave to this Day.
Just food for thought, I did not create the Heavens and the Earth, So I have to let God be God, His will be Done!

Enoch111 said:

What the Lord was saying is that John was a type of Elijah since he was the forerunner for Christ at His first coming. John came to bring Israel to repentance, just as Elijah will come do the the very same thing before the second coming.

But Elijah must come before the Day of the LORD, and the Day of the LORD corresponds to the Great Tribulation, which will be followed by the second coming of Christ.

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John was a type of Elijah. as I said, before, a type is this, a person or thing symbolizing or exemplifying the ideal or defining characteristics of something. see Elijah is symbolic for John the Baptist. just as Moses is symbolic for the Lord Jesus. we will see this as we continue

NOW AS FOR "THE DAY OF THE LORD"
Not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this. the day of the LORD here as well as mention in Joel 2, is the day of vengeance on "SIN"

Listen, Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Joel 2:29 "And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

Joel 2:30 "And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.Joel 2:31 "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

see that word "afterward" in verse 28 above. after what? AFTER the Day of the LORD, or his vengeance on SIN which was accomplish at the Cross. the Day of the LORD you mention at Christ coming is vengeance on wicked "men" who do not obey the truth. that's the DAY of the LORD on men who do not obey the truth.

see, there is more than one "DAY of the LORD". get the context to find out what day is it associated with.

Enoch111 said:

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. (Mal 4:5,6)

When Christ came the first time, He brought the Day of Grace with Him, since grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. When He comes the second time, God's severe judgments have already been poured out upon the earth. See Revelation 4-18. And we see Elijah in Rev 11.

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#1. Who was sent? listen, John 1:21 "And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.

John 1:22 "Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?

LISTEN TO JOHN'S ANSWER.

John 1:23 "He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias". and here is that prophecy,

Isaiah 40:3 "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God".

notice, who "PREPARED" the way of the LORD?, according to Malachi it's Elijah, ok let the bible speak. Luke 1:76 "And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways". this was spoke of John the Baptist, Zacharias born son. see the scripture line up with John and Elijah.


then you gave Malachi 4:5 & 6, but did you not connect verse 6 to John? listen, Malachi 4:6 "And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse".

NOW, Luke 1:16 "And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

Luke 1:17 "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord".


this is almost quote for quote. the scripture don't lie.

Truth7t7 said:

I Don't See The Future "Antichrist/Beast" Ruling Supreme As Many Teach And Claim?

Rev 11:1-15 Is A Good Summary Of The Tribulation, The Two Witnesses Will Be In Control, Just Like The Day's Of Moses, Aaron, And Pharoh In Egypt, Same Scenario

Revelation 11:3-6 & 10KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

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Not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this. Revelation 11 of the two witness are the ministry of John the Baptist and the Lord Jesus the Christ the "diversity" of God in human flesh.

a breakdown of the scriptures you gave. not to say that this is the only belief of these scriptures.

Revelation 11:3 "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth”.

In order for man to come to God he must have power, the power to believe. And that persuasion is first in the POWERFUL MESSAGE called the Gospel, which is made manifested in the Spirit. only Spirit filled men and women can preach the TRUE GOSPEL MESSAGE, meaning in the POWER of the Holy Spirit. Supportive scripture, of the persuasive message, the gospel. Matthew 3:1 "In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, Matthew 3:2 "And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand”.

is John one of the two witness with POWER? Yes, John 1:6 "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John
John 1:7 "The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe”.

do he have the Spirit the Power to preach? yes from birth, Luke 1:13 "But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

Luke 1:14 "And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

Luke 1:15 "For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb".

But can we CLEARLY establish John as a witness? Yes, John 1:19 "And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
The word “Record” here is the Greek word for a “martyr” (meaning witness).
G3141 μαρτυρία marturia (mar-tï-riy'-a) n.
evidence given (judicially or genitive case).
[from G3144]
KJV: record, report, testimony, witness

BUT LET’S LOOK AT THE ROOT OF THIS WORD,
G3144 μάρτυς martus (mar'-tïs) n.
1. a witness.
2. (literally) judicially.
3. (by analogy) a “martyr” (meaning witness).
{literally or figuratively (genitive case)}
[of uncertain affinity]
KJV: martyr, record, witness

now the lenght of the ministry,
a thousand two hundred and threescore days is exactly 42 months or 3 1/2 years, the exact length, or measure of the Lord Jesus ministry.

Cloths in sackcloth, meaning preaching repentance. sackcloth means penitence. and the definition of penitence is the action of feeling or showing sorrow and regret for having done wrong; repentance. the first thing out of John the Baptist mouth, "REPENT". Scripture, Matthews 3:1 "In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, 2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight". now the Lord Jesus, Scripture, Matthews 4:16 "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand". so we have the two witness, John and the Lord Jesus.

in verse 4, just read Zechariah chapter 4....

and as for verse 5, "And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed"

simply, Jeremiah 5:14 "Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them”. if one would read that 5th chapter of Jeremiah, one will see who this fire, the word of God devoured. It was false prophets.

both John and the Lord Jesus both had fiery mouth, they told the truth, which made both martyr/witness.

verse 10, they did tormented the Jews in High places, which they gave gifts or pay off to the Roman guard who witness the stone being rolled away. Matthew 28:11 "Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.

Matthew 28:12 "And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,

Matthew 28:13 "Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.

Matthew 28:14 "And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you".

again the two witness evidence John the baptist, and the Lord Jesus.

101G said:

Not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this. Revelation 11 of the two witness are the ministry of John the Baptist and the Lord Jesus the Christ the "diversity" of God in human flesh.

a breakdown of the scriptures you gave. not to say that this is the only belief of these scriptures.

Revelation 11:3 "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth”.

In order for man to come to God he must have power, the power to believe. And that persuasion is first in the POWERFUL MESSAGE called the Gospel, which is made manifested in the Spirit. only Spirit filled men and women can preach the TRUE GOSPEL MESSAGE, meaning in the POWER of the Holy Spirit. Supportive scripture, of the persuasive message, the gospel. Matthew 3:1 "In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, Matthew 3:2 "And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand”.

is John one of the two witness with POWER? Yes, John 1:6 "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John
John 1:7 "The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe”.

do he have the Spirit the Power to preach? yes from birth, Luke 1:13 "But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

Luke 1:14 "And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

Luke 1:15 "For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb".

But can we CLEARLY establish John as a witness? Yes, John 1:19 "And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
The word “Record” here is the Greek word for a “martyr” (meaning witness).
G3141 μαρτυρία marturia (mar-tï-riy'-a) n.
evidence given (judicially or genitive case).
[from G3144]
KJV: record, report, testimony, witness

BUT LET’S LOOK AT THE ROOT OF THIS WORD,
G3144 μάρτυς martus (mar'-tïs) n.
1. a witness.
2. (literally) judicially.
3. (by analogy) a “martyr” (meaning witness).
{literally or figuratively (genitive case)}
[of uncertain affinity]
KJV: martyr, record, witness

now the lenght of the ministry,
a thousand two hundred and threescore days is exactly 42 months or 3 1/2 years, the exact length, or measure of the Lord Jesus ministry.

Cloths in sackcloth, meaning preaching repentance. sackcloth means penitence. and the definition of penitence is the action of feeling or showing sorrow and regret for having done wrong; repentance. the first thing out of John the Baptist mouth, "REPENT". Scripture, Matthews 3:1 "In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, 2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight". now the Lord Jesus, Scripture, Matthews 4:16 "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand". so we have the two witness, John and the Lord Jesus.

in verse 4, just read Zechariah chapter 4....

and as for verse 5, "And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed"

simply, Jeremiah 5:14 "Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them”. if one would read that 5th chapter of Jeremiah, one will see who this fire, the word of God devoured. It was false prophets.

both John and the Lord Jesus both had fiery mouth, they told the truth, which made both martyr/witness.

verse 10, they did tormented the Jews in High places, which they gave gifts or pay off to the Roman guard who witness the stone being rolled away. Matthew 28:11 "Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.

Matthew 28:12 "And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,

Matthew 28:13 "Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.

Matthew 28:14 "And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you".

again the two witness evidence John the baptist, and the Lord Jesus.

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Thanks for the response.

I believe scripture teaches the "Two Witnesses" in Revelation 11 will be future literal prophets returned, that will bring literal plagues upon this earth, just as Moses, Aaron did against Pharaoh.

Future/Literal

Are you preterist in your eschatology?

Truth7t7 said:

I believe scripture teaches the "Two Witnesses" in Revelation 11 will be future literal prophets returned, that will bring literal plagues upon this earth, just as Moses, Aaron did against Pharaoh.

Future/Literal

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I use to believe that too, just as I thought the literal fire came out of the prophets mouths. but I let the Holy Spirit re-NEW my mind. he will guide us in all truths.

there is nothing wrong in questing the word of God, "ask and it shall be given unto you".

be blessed.

101G said:

I use to believe that too, just as I thought the literal fire came out of the prophets mouths. but I let the Holy Spirit re-NEW my mind. he will guide us in all truths.

there is nothing wrong in questing the word of God, "ask and it shall be given unto you".

be blessed.

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I believe the fire will be literal from the two witnesses, however it will be in their "Words Spoken" just as Elijah called fire down from heaven that consumed the sacrifice. I don't believe the future two witnesses are fire breathing dragons, fire from a literal mouth.

Have you changed to a "Preterist" eschatology, Matthew 24 and the Olivet discourse?