Woe to those with Child

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Luke 21:23 "But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people." Now this is What P.M teaches on this verseThe subject is Christ's return, and those events that are going to happen just prior to that return. Remember when Jesus returns to this earth, He is coming as a bridegroom to claim his bride. Spiritual speaking, Jesus Christ's bride is His church, those of the elect that were sealed in their minds with the truth, and were waiting patiently for their husband's return. So in this same spiritual light, if Christ returns and His bride has been unfaithful, it means that she has been taken by another husband, and that husband is Satan. God is putting this in a physical application to help us understand exactly how He feels about coming and finding His bride unfaithful. One way a wife shows that she is unfaithful when the husband is gone for a long time, is to be pregnant at his arrival. Now I do believe it does mean this spiritually that this is correct....The verse is talking about Pregnant and nursing mothers P.M. says this is spiritual because being with child and babies are a blessing to God However ... I read something that made me rethink the fact that this may also have a literal meaning... Now God wouldn't think being pregnant or having a child with the fallen Angels was a blessing he would say woe unto them. My problem biblically with this idea being physical was: 1. We are not told of any new large influx of giants2.. Satan and his fallen Angels are only here 5 months (not time for a full term Pregnancy) Then I read an old prophecy (and I cant remember where it may have been dead sea scrolls I didn't pay much attention at the time.)The prophecy was:It was that in the last days Women will be giving birth to babies after only three or four months gestation in the womb. And Many will die,(be stillborn) and/or abandonedThis has got me to thinking that if a fetus is of a large size (giants) as in the days of Noah off spring of Fallen Angels and women perhaps it would not be a normal pregnancy. If women were having hybrid babies God would say :Woe unto them with child and those who give suck.Because we only have five months there would not be any adult influx of giants because there's not enough time all we would have is some giant nursing babies and pregnant women. So therefore we would not be told of adult giants only babies of these unholy unions. And that's exactly what we are told of.Then we have a strange warning in 1st Corinth. 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angelsP.M. says this is a warning for woman to cover there heads to protect them from the Angels. Why put this warning here,in 1 Cor. and Why only a warning to women. (as opposed to the believers if its only spiritual)1 Cor. is takes place after Christs death on the cross. Satan is bound in heaven. Suddenly we then have a warning for women to cover our heads because of the Angels obviously this is a reference to the End times when Satan and his Angels will be loosed again, upon earth.Then we are told it will be as in the days of Noah, the giving and taking of marriage by the fallen Angels.. In thinking on this after the light bulb of an old prophecyIt suddenly seems this verse Luke 21:23 could be taken both literal and spiritually and be entirely supported in scripture.Lets review the scripture We know fallen Angels will be coming to earth w/Satan for 5 mo.(Rev.9 & 12)1. It will be like in the days of Noah Giving and taking in marriage (Luk 17:26)2. Warning to only women to cover their heads for protection against the Angels(1 cor 11:10)3. Woe to those with child or giving suck (Luke 21:23)
 

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I will admit, as I only listened to a couple of audio lessons @ SC. I do also take that verse to be spiritual. But this is really a nice read.I do also have a problem with it being literal... because as you mention 5 months is not a full term fetus. BTW how long or tall is the normal pregnacy fetus?Anyway, another reason I have a problem being with it literal is that nowhere in the scripture where we are going to get pregnacy by Christ either, not exactly I believe as I need 2 or three witnesses, but just wanted to post for food for thought.Please feel free to discuss with me.
 

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Jordan a ful trem pregancy is 40 weeks or about nine months the point was if one is expecting a offspring of a Fallen angel we know they are giants. (gen 6) if a normal woman is giving birth to a giant she could not carry the baby full term. It would be to large so she would give birth early. So there could be time in five months. (the prochecy said that 3 to 4 months would be the length of the pregancy by a Woman and a fallen Angel)I dont quite understand your pregancy with christ part I never said anything about that.I said a normal pregnancy between man and woman is a blessing from God he would never say that was a bad thing (a woe)
 

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Jordan a ful trem pregancy is 40 weeks or about nine months the point was if one is expecting a offspring of a Fallen angel we know they are giants. (gen 6) if a normal woman is giving birth to a giant she could not carry the baby full term. It would be to large so she would give birth early. So there could be time in five months. (the prochecy said that 3 to 4 months would be the length of the pregancy by a Woman and a fallen Angel)I dont quite understand your pregancy with christ part I never said anything about that.I said a normal pregnancy between man and woman is a blessing from God he would never say that was a bad thing (a woe)
I never said you didn't say that, I said that. I just have weird minds lately... so thought it would be good to have my own mind to bring to discussion. So I'm sorry for any confusion.About between a normal man and woman... I have no arguments or complaints.But anyway that is interesting I can see why giants needs to be born early... I might say it might be easier to see faith since it probably take 3-4 months to actually be born.
 

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This isnt the full prochecy I was speaking of but the same prochecy is also aluted to in the book of Enoch CHAPTER XCIX5. And in those days the destitute shall go forth and carry off their children,And they shall abandon them, so that their children shall perish through them:Yea, they shall abandon their children (that are still) sucklings, and not return to them,And shall have no pity on their beloved ones.( this is not scripture)
 

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I want to wade in on this discussion but I do not know where to start, YET.I once many years ago frowned upon how some teachers spiritualized everything. However, when studying and trying to understand God's Word I kept making the same mistake, thinking carnally. Here is a brief list to think about.The serpent seduction. SPIRITUAL. Apostacy or defection from truth.Eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage. SPIRITUAL. Note: this is before the flood.Noah's deluge. SPIRITUAL. The flood of lies. Wilderness. SPIRITUAL. This carnal world is a wilderness.Nebuchadnezzar's image, the mark. SPIRITUAL. This World system image and mark will be in their forehead.Fiery furnace, death. SPIRITUAL. Delivered up "we are not careful to answer thee in this matter".Goliath the giant, deadly wound. SPIRITUAL. We shall sling the "ROCK" into the forehead of the beast.Okay, that is enough for now.
 

Christina

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Hi Wayne jump in anywhere this is just out loud thinking in attempt to deeper understand fathers Word. All thoughts are welcome. We are not afraid here to step out of the box and give all deeper thoughts serious consideration.
 

Wayne Murray

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Thanx CGM, lol. Sorry, the "Global" part bothers me, lol.Thanx Christina, I would like to focus a little on "as the days of Noe".Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. You will note verse 38 "before the flood", they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage.You will note verse 39 the flood took (or they were taken by the flood) them all away.Verses 40 and 41 One out Two are taken by the flood of lies. (further evidence to show the fallacy of rapture doctrine and this is Jesus Christ's private answer).In my opinion (perception), the flood of lies is very apparent right now and for some time. Spiritually, I perceive we are in the ark now too. As to I Cor.11:10, you bet Christ is that cover and our "ark".However, I am also aware of the 5 months of the swarming locust and Gen.7:24.Gen 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days. But before the flood I guess you could say, "eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage", and Gen.7:11-12. (the windows of heaven were opened)Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. Gen 7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. Yes we can use nature to discern the time of locust but the 40/40 rain has been happening for some time now (I perceive).
 

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Hey kriss,Thank you for making me feel welcome on this forum.I must be slow because I totally missed an excellent point you made concerning I Cor.11:10. After further review lol, i.e. study. The subject starts at I Cor.11:3 and ends at I Cor.11:16. The main subject is the spiritual family HEAD (body or church), God the head of Christ, Christ the head of the man, and man the head of the woman. Paul gets into the carnal covering and the spiritual covering, when praying or prophesying. The spiritual covering (power) is subjection to authority, a spiritual covering of One body or One church. Mans carnal covering, none needed.Mans spiritual covering, Christ, subjection to authority.Womans carnal covering, her hair.Womans spiritual covering, power, subjection to authority.Call it in the air, HEADS is the call.The covering (power) is subjection to authority, a spiritual covering of One body or One church.As to the book of Enoch, I am leary of it and do not know what spiritual value to place upon it.
 

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Hey kriss,Thank you for making me feel welcome on this forum.I must be slow because I totally missed an excellent point you made concerning I Cor.11:10. After further review lol, i.e. study, I think PM is wrong and I was wrong.The subject starts at I Cor.11:3 and ends at I Cor.11:16. The main subject is the spiritual family (body or church), God the head of Christ, Christ the head of the man, and man the head of the woman. The covering is subjection to authority, a spiritual covering of One body or One church. Then Paul gets into the carnal covering.
I forgot to welcome you to this private forum. So welcome Wayne, yes this is interesting to talk, although I must admit, I'm not exactly a SC student, but I hold the main core of it, so yes I love to learn. By the Way Wayne, if you remember me, I used to go by the name thesuperjag.
 

Wayne Murray

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Thanks Jordan and yes I remember thesuperjag, vaguely. I cannot remember the date sometimes. I have studied with PM since about 1988. PM is a man and I do not always agree with him because God's Word trumps all cards. Thanks for the welcome and see you around.Hey Jordan, can a spell checker be downloaded to use in the text box?
 

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