The Gospel was changed by God:

H. Richard said:

Really ??

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Yes really.

H. Richard said:

LOL and you keep fighting against what I believe don't you?

You are not my judge as to my salvation. Religious man must have something they can boast about. They teach a gospel of grace modified by what man has to do to obtain salvation. Salvation is totally the work of God on the cross. Everyone that places their belief, faith, trust and confidence in what Jesus did on the cross will be saved. Those that just can't do that will not be saved.

As to your accusation of blasphemy that does not worry me. Even Jesus was accused of blasphemy. so I am in good company. You would do well to not accuse others for what they believe. Just state what you believe. But I see that most want to elevate themselves above others.

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The whole basis of the false doctrine you preach is a gross misunderstanding of this...

Gal 2:7-8
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For He That wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
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That is about only ONE Gospel, not TWO!

It simply means Peter had an apostleship (means 'commission') to take The Gospel to the Jews, and Paul had an apostleship to take The Gospel to the Gentiles.

But people like 19th century scholar E.W. Bullinger, et al, who were deceived by John Darby's preaching of a false pre-trib rapture, split The Gospel in two. That just because they couldn't understand how the Old Testament prophecies to Israel for after Christ's return could be fulfilled involving Christ's Church.

H. Richard said:

It is significant to me that the preaching of the cross is only found in Paul's writings. The word "cross" is not found in James, 1 & 2 Peter, 1 & 2 John, or Jude. All of these books were written by Jewish writers.

Since salvation under grace is based on Jesus' work of the cross I find that it is some what a mystery as to why the word is not used in these books.

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That false doctrine you follow has blinded you, just as much as the orthodox Jews are blinded.


The mark which the angels in Ezekiel 9 are told to put upon those who sigh because of all the abominations going on is written as Hebrew Tau, which in ancient paleo-Hebrew was made as a cross (X).

Ezek 9:4-6
4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at My sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
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H. Richard said:

IMHO ;You might have a title of preacher but you do not have the understanding of God's dealing with mankind as has been revealed to me by the Holy Spirit. You will think you do but I don't see it.

All my life I have heard preachers preach a social-moral gospel and they never seem to say that God (Jesus) paid for the sins of the flesh for all the world. They don't preach it because they must make mankind feel it necessary to do religious works to keep them under a requirement to do works in a man ran religious church. Jesus set me free of the joke I could not carry.

But I know you will not accept what I have written so I won't write any more.

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Ok, I do NOT preach salvation by works.

H. Richard said:

IMHO ;You might have a title of preacher but you do not have the understanding of God's dealing with mankind as has been revealed to me by the Holy Spirit. You will think you do but I don't see it.

All my life I have heard preachers preach a social-moral gospel and they never seem to say that God (Jesus) paid for the sins of the flesh for all the world. They don't preach it because they must make mankind feel it necessary to do religious works to keep them under a requirement to do works in a man ran religious church. Jesus set me free of the joke I could not carry.

But I know you will not accept what I have written so I won't write any more.

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The false doctrine you're pushing was not revealed to you by The Holy Spirit! That's a flat out LIE.

It was revealed to you by those who TAUGHT you that doctrine who got the doctrine from others before, like the Berean Bible Society, C.R. Stam, O'Hair, et al.

H. Richard said:

You are the one who is blinded. I said the word cross is not found in those books. OKAY SINCE YOU ARE SO SMART SHOW ME WHERE THEY ARE.

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I just showed you, you white-washed wall!

H. Richard said:

It is significant to me that the preaching of the cross is only found in Paul's writings. The word "cross" is not found in James, 1 & 2 Peter, 1 & 2 John, or Jude. All of these books were written by Jewish writers.

Since salvation under grace is based on Jesus' work of the cross I find that it is some what a mystery as to why the word is not used in these books.

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The false doctrine of men you follow is so stupid. Apostle Paul himself was Jewish, born of the tribe of Benjamin! There you associate other New Testament Epistles written by Jews and forget that Apostle Paul himself was one!!! How ignorant!!!

H. Richard said:

If you want to say there was no change in the gospel that is okay with me. Believe what you wish.

No one ever went to heaven before the cross because God had not paid for their sins of the flesh.

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There has been NO CHANGE to The Gospel of Jesus Christ, not even since the time of GENESIS.

Your second statement isn't even relevant to the subject, which shows how they TAUGHT you to go off on tangents with word play instead of sticking to actual Scripture meaning.

David Taylor said:

No the Gospel never changed.

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There is more than one gospel in the Bible. It is imperative to comprehend not only to whom each gospel was given, but how they differ. It is also of the upmost importance to know which gospel is for our salvation unto eternal life.

Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

The gospel was given to Abraham. A gospel is glad tidings, good news. The obligation of mankind is to believe what God said. Abraham believed that God would bless all the nations through him.

Genesis 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

It is always and only by faith that God saves, by believing God. It is always and only by grace that God saves in doing for us what we are incapable of in and of ourselves.

The gospel was given to Israel in the wilderness.

Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

What gospel was the writer of Hebrews referring to ?

Deuteronomy 1:8 Behold, I have set the land before you: go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give unto them and to their seed after them.

The gospel of entering into God's rest through belief referred to above in Hebrews 4:2 is not the same gospel given to Israel in the wilderness in Deuteronomy 1:8 to possess the land. It can be seen from this comparison that there is more than just one gospel.

Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom.

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

The Davidic kingdom was promised to Israel, wherein, they would inherit an earthly kingdom and reign with Christ (Daniel 2:44 Revelation 20:4). Israel was to believe on the name of Jesus, that Jesus was the Son of God, the Messiah. Placing faith and trust in Jesus and his name would justify them unto eternal life (John 20:31). Obeying his commandments would physically save them to enter the kingdom (Matthew 5:20). Upon belief the kingdom would have been ushered in.

Christ began to speak of his death and resurrection, but the apostles did not understand it at that time.

Luke 18:34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Christ commissioned the twelve to preach the kingdom of heaven, the gospel of the kingdom (Luke 9:2).

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Matthew 28:19

This is the gospel Peter preached.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Peter preached Jesus was the Son of God, the Christ. Peter preached the same baptism of John for the remission of sin and receiving the Holy Ghost to enter the kingdom.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Peter preached that the resurrection of Christ would assure he would come and establish the new testament to believing Israel. Israel will be saved at the coming of Christ Jesus.

God promised a new covenant to Israel in Jeremiah.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

God, by his Spirit, will enable Israel to be the blessing to the Gentiles that Israel was unable to fulfill. All the Gentile nations that will enter the kingdom along with believing Israel (Matthew 25:34) will learn of God through saved Israel.

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

The gospel of the circumcision, preached by Peter and found in Galatians 2:7 is that Christ died and rose again to put in force the new testament. By the new testament, God will forgive Israel and by his Spirit, enable Israel to place their faith in Jesus, obey his commandments, and enter the kingdom to be a light to the Gentiles. Israel fell due to unbelief and rejection of this gospel; only a remnant believed, the little flock.

Paul was given the gospel of Christ. Israel was temporarily set aside and Paul became the apostle to the Gentiles. Revealed was salvation and justification given freely to all by faith alone, in Christ alone. Both Paul and Peter preached to Jews and Gentiles. Paul was given revelation by Christ and a gospel in the dispensation of grace.

1 Corinthians 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

This is Paul's gospel; not of his own invention but by revelation of The Lord Jesus Christ (Ephesians 3:3).

2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Below is Paul's gospel; the complete, finished salvation provided by Christ Jesus freely given to all who believe. This is the gospel that saves us today.

1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Paul was given revelation of a mystery. Paul preached "my gospel".

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

The everlasting gospel will be preached during the tribulation.

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The gospel of God is the progressive revelation of God's provision of salvation to mankind. It has always been by grace. It has always been by the blood of Christ, whereby God from the beginning could offer forgiveness to all. It has always been by faith, by believing God.

David Taylor said:

No the Gospel never changed.

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Here is another post of mine on this which you may not have read; if you desire please give it consideration.

Ephesians 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

The mystery of the gospel was revealed first to Paul.

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Paul and the twelve Apostles preached Christ. Paul preached Christ according to the mystery and the scriptures of the prophets. The twelve did not preach Christ according to the mystery.

Paul claims the gospel as being "my gospel", which distinguishes it from all others. Paul states his gospel was according to the mystery. The mystery was kept secret until revealed to Paul, which means the twelve Apostles could not have known it.

Paul's gospel is now made manifest.

Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

Paul was an Apostle to the Gentiles.

3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

God clearly states that there are dispensations. We are in the dispensation of the grace of God. Gentiles can now be saved freely, along with Jews, without the law and covenants. Gentiles no longer are seperated from Israel. Gentiles no longer have to come to God through Israel.

3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Jesus revealed the mystery to Paul.

3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The church, the body of Christ was revealed first to Paul.

Colossians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

The mystery was hid even from the twelve disciples, but was made manifest to us by Paul.

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

18:32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

18:34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Paul's gospel includes the death, burial, and the resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). The twelve Apostles had no understanding of any of this according to Luke 18:34, even when Jesus told them of his death and resurrection in Luke 18:33 and in fact, it was hid from them. The twelve Apostles could not have been preaching the same gospel as Paul.

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.


Jesus was preaching the gospel of the promised Davidic kingdom (Luke 1:32).

Luke 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.

9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

9:6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

The twelve Apostles were not preaching the same gospel as Paul, but rather the gospel of the kingdom, which Paul never preached.

It is imperative to believe the gospel that was given to us and be justified unto eternal life.

The gospel has been progressively revealed throughout scripture. Those that believed the gospel revealed in their dispensations, believed God, and were justified unto eternal life (Romans 4:3). If you only believe that the kingdom is at hand (Mark 1:15), as preached by the twelve, you are lost. If you only believe in the name of Jesus, as preached by the twelve, that he is the Christ, the Son of God (John 20:31), you are lost. If you only believe you should repent and be baptized (Acts 2:38), as preached by the twelve, you are lost. If you only believe the gospels of the twelve Apostles you are lost.

The gospel given us in this dispensation is only found in the epistles of Paul; examples being Romans 3:19-26 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

Davy said:

I just showed you, you white-washed wall!

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Doug said:

Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

What gospel was the writer of Hebrews referring to ?

Deuteronomy 1:8 Behold, I have set the land before you: go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give unto them and to their seed after them.

The gospel of entering into God's rest through belief referred to above in Hebrews 4:2 is not the same gospel given to Israel in the wilderness in Deuteronomy 1:8 to possess the land. It can be seen from this comparison that there is more than just one gospel.

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In Hebrews 4:2 it speaks of "the" gospel; which was preached unto us as well as to them.

Thus, there is one gospel. And also, the gospel that was preached to the Israelites is the same gospel that is preached to us today; while there may not be a record of it in Old Testament scripture.

justbyfaith said:

In Hebrews 4:2 it speaks of "the" gospel; which was preached unto us as well as to them.

Thus, there is one gospel. And also, the gospel that was preached to the Israelites is the same gospel that is preached to us today; while there may not be a record of it in Old Testament scripture.

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The gospel preached to them in the wilderness is Deuteronomy 1:8.

The gospel of the grace of God could not have been preached to them in the wilderness but not recorded as it was hid in God (Ephesians 3:9) and not made known back then (Ephesians 3:5).

BARNEY BRIGHT said:

FHll said: No God isn't limited... But he has a plan. It's a foolish plan, but it is his way of doing it

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1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Paul said it, not me.

And apparently a lot of others here think it's foolish, as well.