Halloween Street Preaching

Grailhunter said:

Well, when Prayer Warrior speaks I sit up and take notice.
While I am guilty of sometimes believing that the end justifies the means....because I believe in righteous stompings, and that is what would have happened there.
They needed a lesson in respect. Christian love with no respect.
Blasting children cannot be good.
Religiously speaking, the OT was full of God fears....that was there relationship with God. In the NT we are God lovers. A different relationship....The family of God....what does the song say....friends of Christ.

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I'm all for showing respect. I really do try to be respectful even though I'm sorely tempted to be rude at times (and have given in to the temptation sometimes).

Who determines what is respectful, though? You? Society? Some would say that preaching the gospel is not respectful. So do we stop preaching? One time the Holy Spirit led my daughter to tell a woman that Jesus loves her. The woman was offended. Maybe this is a different issue from showing respect, but do we stop doing what God is leading us to do because we are perceived as being disrespectful or offensive?

Many years ago, my parents told me that I had preached at them (implying disrespect). I asked them when I had preached at them. They said that I had quoted the Bible, and this was perceived as preaching. I know that both of my parents are in heaven right now, and I believe that God used those times that I quoted the Bible to them even though they didn't like it. Of course, God used other things in their lives as well.

Anyway, just thinking "out loud" about what you said about showing respect. It seems fairly subjective.
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Jane_Doe22 said:

I get that you see stern language in the Bible, and find it to be like what modern day street preachers do.

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You get that *I see* stern language in the Bible. So, you don't think it's really there?

Prayer Warrior said:

You get that *I see* stern language in the Bible. So, you don't think it's really there?

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What is in the Bible versus what street preachers do are two entirely different things. It's not even comparable.

Prayer Warrior said:

I'm all for showing respect. I really do try to be even though I'm sorely tempted to be rude at times (and have given in to the temptation somtimes).

Who determines what is respectful, though? You? Society? Some would say that preaching the gospel is not respectful. So do we stop preaching? One time the Holy Spirit led my daughter to tell a woman that Jesus loves her. The woman was offended. Maybe this is a different issue from showing respect, but do we stop doing what God is leading us to do because we are perceived as being disrespectful or offensive?

Many years ago, my parents told me that I had preached at them (implying disrespect). I asked them when I had preached at them. They said that I had quoted the Bible, and this was perceived as preaching. I know that both of my parents are in heaven right now, and I believe that God used those times that I quoted the Bible to them even though they didn't like it. Of course, God used other things in their lives as well.

Anyway, just thinking "out loud" about what you said about showing respect. It seems fairly subjective.
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That was the point of my post on the fact that Christians have been taught by the scriptures to not be respecters of persons...the scriptures call respecting a person a sin. Check it at the language level...and note that the Greek word for favoritism does not occur in the Bible.
Respect for the views of others is important.
Offending people is sometimes unavoidable. Some people don't like the smell of Old Spice! Can you imagine that!

Grailhunter said:

That was the point of my post on the fact that Christians have been taught by the scriptures to not be respecters of persons...the scriptures call respecting a person a sin. Check it at the language level...and note that the Greek word for favoritism does not occur in the Bible.
Respect for the views of others is important.
Offending people is sometimes unavoidable. Some people don't like the smell of Old Spice! Can you imagine that!

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Yeah, I read through some of that thread. I saw what you said about the Greek....

However, I believe that saying God is not a respecter of persons means that He doesn't play favorites or show favoritism. IOW, He treats everyone fairly; whereas, people tend to play favorites. I see it on this forum all the time, and I engage in this at times even though I value fairness. (Oh, my, I've told on myself twice now.)

Edit: lol, spellcheck changed "respecter" to "repeater"

Prayer Warrior said:

Yeah, I read through some of that thread. Saying that God is not a repeater of persons means that He doesn't play favorites or show favoritism. IOW, He treats everyone fairly; whereas, people tend to play favorites. I see it on this forum all the time, and I engage in this at times even though I value fairness. (Oh, my, I've told on myself twice now.)

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That is the problem...the Greek word for favoritism does not appear in the Bible at all. The word was available and they did not use it in all those scriptures....plenty of opportunity to use the word favoritism and they chose respecter. Not only that, but it you chose to change the scriptures....you could not just insert the word....you would have to change the wording of the sentence. The big issue is that they are not obscure or confusing scriptures and it was stated by more than one person with a united understanding and message...respecter of persons.

Now we are talking fundamentalism! lol How much do we want to change.....? Got any suggestions? If we are going to do this, I think you and I could have some good inputs.

Grailhunter said:

That is the problem...the Greek word for favoritism does not appear in the Bible at all. The word was available and they did not use it in all those scriptures....plenty of opportunity to use the word favoritism and they chose respecter. Not only that, but it you chose to change the scriptures....you could not just insert the word....you would have to change the wording of the sentence. The big issue is that they are not obscure or confusing scriptures and it was stated by more than one person with a united understanding and message...respecter of persons.

Now we are talking fundamentalism! lol How much do we want to change.....? Got any suggestions? If we are going to do this, I think you and I could have some good inputs.

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Just so I know, is this the scripture you're talking about?

Acts 10:34-36--And Peter opened his mouth and said: Most certainly and thoroughly I now perceive and understand that God shows no partiality and is no respecter of persons,
But in every nation he who venerates and has a reverential fear for God, treating Him with worshipful obedience and living uprightly, is acceptable to Him andsure of being received and welcomed [by Him].
You know the contents of the message which He sent to Israel, announcing the good news (Gospel) of peace by Jesus Christ, Who is Lord of all—

Prayer Warrior said:

Just so I know, is this the scripture you're talking about?

Acts 10:34-36--And Peter opened his mouth and said: Most certainly and thoroughly I now perceive and understand that God shows no partiality and is no respecter of persons,
But in every nation he who venerates and has a reverential fear for God, treating Him with worshipful obedience and living uprightly, is acceptable to Him andsure of being received and welcomed [by Him].
You know the contents of the message which He sent to Israel, announcing the good news (Gospel) of peace by Jesus Christ, Who is Lord of all—

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Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Acts 2:11
For there is no respect of persons with God.

Colossians 3:25
But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

James 2:9
But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Ephesians 6:9
And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

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Prayer Warrior said:

Just so I know, is this the scripture you're talking about?

Acts 10:34-36--And Peter opened his mouth and said: Most certainly and thoroughly I now perceive and understand that God shows no partiality and is no respecter of persons,
But in every nation he who venerates and has a reverential fear for God, treating Him with worshipful obedience and living uprightly, is acceptable to Him andsure of being received and welcomed [by Him].
You know the contents of the message which He sent to Israel, announcing the good news (Gospel) of peace by Jesus Christ, Who is Lord of all—

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My larger point it explains the actions of Christian in history....Attitudes of men with their own mothers and wives. The witch-hunt and inquisitions.....
And it is case in point on this topic.
Christians need to learn the respect side of love.

Grailhunter said:

My larger point it explains the actions of Christian in history....Attitudes of men with their own mothers and wives. The witch-hunt and inquisitions.....
And it is case in point on this topic.
Christians need to learn the respect side of love.

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Yes, I read through some of what you posted in your thread. It was a lot of info. (Must be part of your book, I would assume.)

I could go over to that thread if you want so that we don't clog the Halloween... thread.

Prayer Warrior said:

Yes, I read through some of what you posted in your thread. It was a lot of info. (Must be part of your book, I would assume.)

I could go over to that thread if you want so that we don't clog the Halloween... thread.

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That is all cool. I track historical patterns and it lines up and explains a lot. Really....I am torturing you or killing you because of my love for your soul. It is throughout Christian history.

Grailhunter said:

That is all cool. I track historical patterns and it lines up and explains a lot. Really....I am torturing you or killing you because of my love for your soul. It is throughout Christian history.

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What is the name of this thread? I couldn't find it.

Prayer Warrior said:

What is the name of this thread? I couldn't find it.

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Sorry post #93 husband of one wife....christian debate forum

Grailhunter said:

Sorry post #93 husband of one wife....christian debate forum

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Oh, okay, I thought it had a different name.

Thanks!

Giuliano said:

This analogy is silly. The person about to walk off a cliff could see easily you were right.

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justbyfaith said:

All I know is that it is clear to me. I suggest you read the passage (Matthew 13:55-56) for yourself and make up your own mind. Your interpretation my be colored by your bias; which is colored by the interpretation given by the Catholic Church and your belief that the Catholic interpretation takes precedence over basic hermeneutics when we read our Bibles.

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Thank you. All I know is that it is clear to everyone who believes they are being guided by the Holy Spirit and their interpretation is colored by bias.....including you and your biases. YOUR interpretation takes precedence over the basic hermeneutics that have been taught for 2,000 years.

07-07-07 said:

We are living in the last of the last days, so it's no surprise that many professing Christians reject the full counsel of God; they simply want a feel-good sermon. They'll never inherit eternal life by rejecting the Truth. Matter of fact, they worship a false Jesus (an idol); they made up a Jesus to suit their feelings. Truth is, God is full of mercy and grace to those who love and follow Him, but He is wrath on the disobedient. Woe unto you who throw His words behind your back!

John the Baptist proclaimed:

John 3:
[35] The Father loveth the Son [Jesus], and hath given all things into his hand.
[36] He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

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You may enjoy the video a few posts above called "The Cliff."

Prayer Warrior said:

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I don't understand why some people feel the need to use fear and threats to convince people to come to Christ. This doesn't make disciples.