Three Groups Of People

Yes and no you are taking that verse to literal anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior becomes a New Man 2Cr 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2Cr 5:18 And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation This is how the gentiles can be grafted in ... As Jews they had to follow the Law and ordinances ect. Christ fulfilled these with his coming and death on the cross So in accepting him you/anyone becomes a New Man this is true for Jew or gentile .. However that doesn't change the fact that God reserved a remnant Judah (Jews) to preserve the Law and maintain the scepter .... Israel (10 N. tribes) he divorced them for their Idolatry scattered them and made them new men in Jesus Christ they still retained the birth right ... Because of Christs death on the cross Salvation was opened to all so therfore the gentile is grafted into Israel by God's Grace ..... So in essence the three are still two Jew (Judah w/ Benjamin) and Christian (10 lost tribes w/ gentiles) who make the true church the bride of Christ ..... This will be true untill the age of the Gentile is passed .... At Christs return the two sticks Judah and Joseph (Ephraim) are rejoined under Christ as the true Bride /Church This is called THE WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL (Jacob) And this is what Eze. 37:16 - 23 is talking about 16Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions: One stick is for Judah w/Benjamin and a few Levites (the scepter) ....... the other stick is for Joseph/ Ephraim (the birth right) with the the 10 tribes called Israel (Christians w/Gentiles grafted in ) 17And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. this has not happened yet 18And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these? 19Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. repeated in for emphasis 20And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes. 21And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: 22And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all. 23Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. The rest of these verse's have not occired yet and will not until Christ returns as King of Kings Lord of Lords

So basically we're seeing Gods mercy. God is going to have mercy and bring them back together so he can fullfill his promise of salvation for Israel. Are we saying that knowing the 3 or 2 or what ever number types of people, it will help us see exactly what's going on in Israel in relation to prophecy?

I am in agreement with bethogs post to you also whiteknuckle

QUOTE (bethog @ Apr 3 2009, 01:50 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=71734
This is unscriptural, there is nowhere in the Word of God any time that part of Israel become Christian or Gentile Nations. You can not prove it in the Bible as it is not there. That is a theory which is heresy and it is rooted in replacement theology
Hi, bethog,I have to agree to that statement. The tribes are the tribes and the Gentiles are grafted in. There is no other. The bloodline is the source for determination, not a grafting in. Vickie

No one said the tribes were not the tribes but that doesn't change the fact they are divided as scripture says are you guys aware that it was Jews who became some of the first Christians ?????????? And it was through the Christians ... Christ -men that the gentiles are grafted into the body Whats that got to do with the fact ...Judah and Israel are divided currently into two sticks (branches) Judah preserves the Law(Jews) ..Israel is the New Man i.e. Christ Men (Christians) w/gentiles grafted in . That is scripture see it or not that is what the Bible says Judah and Israel (Jew and Christian) w/gentile grafted in is the Bride of Christ The Whole House of Israel all 12 tribes the seed of Jacob.If you do not get the names that God uses to describe who is whom in prophecy you can never figure out prophesy correctlyJudah and Israel are the two differnt parts (branches/sticks)(JEW and Christian) of the same body ...but each has a different road to travel untill they are rejoined at Christs return ... trying to figure out prophesy not knowing which is which will never give you a total picture

QUOTE (bethog @ Apr 7 2009, 03:11 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72028
QUOTE (Christina @ Apr 7 2009, 01:49 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72022
... That is scripture see it or not that is what the Bible says Judah and Israel (Jew and Christian) w/gentile grafted in is the Bride of Christ The Whole House of Israel all 12 tribes the seed of Jacob. ...
The scripture is believe it or not, Judah and Israel are Hebrews also called Israelites, the word “Jew” is a modern word not from the original Scriptures. Once an Israelite always an Israelite, lost or not. And you are correct in saying: “If you do not get the names that God uses to describe who is whom in prophecy you can never figure out prophesy correctly” and therefore that is the reason way your end time doctrine is so mixed up.LOL! Are you kidding me? Let me ask you a couple of questions. Why is in scripture constantly separating The House of Judah and The House of Israel if they are the same people. Why did God divorce Israel and yet spare Judah if they are the same people?

QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 7 2009, 03:39 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72031
The scripture is believe it or not, Judah and Israel are Hebrews also called Israelites, the word “Jew” is a modern word not from the original Scriptures. Once an Israelite always an Israelite, lost or not. And you are correct in saying: “If you do not get the names that God uses to describe who is whom in prophecy you can never figure out prophesy correctly” and therefore that is the reason way your end time doctrine is so mixed up.LOL! Are you kidding me? Let me ask you a couple of questions. Why is in scripture constantly separating The House of Judah and The House of Israel if they are the same people. Why did God divorce Israel and yet spare Judah if they are the same people?
God separated the 12 tribes after the death of Solomon I Kings 12:19-24 must be read. Under King Rehobaom Judah and Benjamin came under rule. They became known as the House of Judah through out the bible when the Lord speaks of them. The 10 tribes God started calling them the house of Israel. The Lord separated them for his purpose and makes it clear it is God's doing as verse 24 tells us. Under Jeroboam the 10 tribes where separated and called two houses, from that point on. They are two sticks separated until Christ returns. As Ezekiel is told to rub the two sticks together and unite them is a prophecy concerning Christ's return and they will become one house. This is why I know the 10 tribes are not lost for God speaks to them under the name House of Israel, the 10 tribes. They are alive and well in their places over in and near Jerusalem. Remember the 144000 which is only 12000 of each tribe is sealed by God. Though they may be in different parts of the world, there are only 12000 of each tribe. Meaning 24000 people for Manasseh and Ephraim, total. The United Sates and Britian alone have many more christians than 24000 Revelation 7 is speaking about. And these of the 12 tribes have not known Christ that is being referenced in Revelation 7. Vickie

And these are the ones I was referring to about the mercy deal at the end.

QUOTE (WhiteKnuckle @ Apr 7 2009, 06:13 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72043
And these are the ones I was referring to about the mercy deal at the end.
Hi, I am sorry so much going on, I can't remember about the mercy deal at the end. If you could refresh me with just a little I would probably be ableto remember. ThanksVickieQUOTE
LOL! Are you kidding me? Let me ask you a couple of questions. Why is in scripture constantly separating The House of Judah and The House of Israel if they are the same people. Why did God divorce Israel and yet spare Judah if they are the same people?
Christina is very learned in that which she presents. And she presents very well. Though I too do not agree with the understanding. The tribes were separated by God in I Kings 12:19-24. This is when they became two separate houses until Christ returns as Ezekiel is given a prophecy of rubbing two sticks together to be one. This is when these two tribes will become one house again at Christ's return. All through the rest of the bible starting from I Kings 12:19-24 where the Lord separated them against one another, the Lord address them in the bible as separate houses, one as the House of Judah, and the other the House of Israel. God makes it clear in verse 24 he is the one who has done this to them, to serve his purpose. So, when this is understood the rest of the bible makes perfect sense with nothing having to be added to it from out side doctrines or mysteries built around it. This is the # 1 reason for me to not accept the teaching of the lost 10 tribes of Israel as valid. Thanks and Christina, I have friends, very dear friends that believe the lost 10 tribes here in Texas doctrine, and I accept them just they way they believe. And they accept me. Vickie

QUOTE (bethog @ Apr 3 2009, 12:15 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=71704
I do agree with you that we the Church have also received promise of eternal life.But if you read all the posting I have posted in the here, I talked about the two groups in the Old Testament and the Church was not yet in the Old Testament and I will get to the New Testament with the third group, the Church in this Bible study.
There are many groups if you are breaking down from Adam to Noah, is one group, from Noah to Abraham is another group, and with Moses another group. and Christ the last group. Because each group were under a different dispensation but serve the Most High, I find it hard to close them into 3 groups. But, I will say Isaiah 44:5 says there are 3 groups of people in description as 1.) the Lord's , 2.) Jacob, 3.) the Lord's but will take the name of Israel. To be real honest, I don't think anyone can honestly say who belongs in which group, though we Christians are in one group for sure. I lean towards the first group being all those before the Mosaic, then Jacob then us Christian, but that is totally speculation on my part. Vickie

I have no disagreement with this part of your post sister vickieGod separated the 12 tribes after the death of Solomon I Kings 12:19-24 must be read. Under King Rehobaom Judah and Benjamin came under rule. They became known as the House of Judah through out the bible when the Lord speaks of them. The 10 tribes God started calling them the house of Israel. The Lord separated them for his purpose and makes it clear it is God's doing as verse 24 tells us. Under Jeroboam the 10 tribes where separated and called two houses, from that point on. They are two sticks separated until Christ returns. As Ezekiel is told to rub the two sticks together and unite them is a prophecy concerning Christ's return and they will become one house. This is why I know the 10 tribes are not lost for God speaks to them under the name House of Israel, the 10 tribes.{QUOTE}........................................................................................................................................................But history along with Eze 17 prove the rest of what you say as in error. The 10 tribes are Christians and they are everywhere in the World Ephraim is the largest tribe of the 10 so sometimes Ephraim refers to the whole Ten (someimes its stated as Josheph w/Ephraim and Mannash reguardless we have forgotten who we are ... God divorced Israel (the 10 northern tribes ) for their adulterous ways (spirtual adultry) and made them New Men in Jesus Christ ...Christ men i.e. Christians (gentiles were grafted in) check out this family tree the Whole site is good info but it just takes a sec to scroll to the family tree http://www.asis.com/users/stag/royalty.html