Why Do We Sin?

DNB · Mar 18, 2021

JesusLovesYou said:
Going back to Jesus being tempted, each time Satan tempted Him, Ge answered, “It is written:...”. How well do we know what is written? Because many times Satan comes to us with the twisted truth, we need to know for ourselves the Word of God. In Psalm 119, the psalmist says, “I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you”. It is one thing to know what the Word of God says in general, and it is totally another thing to know it the way you know each word of a love letter—nor just know it, but think about it and how it can help you defend against any of the devil’s schemes.

Yes, that's a great point JLY, that the defense against the wiles of the enemy is not necessarily familiarizing yourself with the tactics or approach of your adversary, or trying to stay one step ahead of them, but it is rather recognizing a fallacy or a distortion of the truth when you are confronted with it. And this is accomplished by gaining a thorough and sound knowledge of God's Word, that one can easily diffuse and disable the unstable and impotent rationale of the deceiver.

One does not need to spend their time trying to keep up with all the heretical views that arise, know the truth, and one will perceive a corruption of the truth immediately, irrespective of how it is presented. I heard RC Sproul Jr. explain once, that those in the counterfeit dept. of the USA, do not attempt to anticipate all the forgers methodologies, but rather they study the authentic archetype thoroughly, in order to undermine any attempt to pass a non-governmental denomination, despite how clever the forgery may be.

BARNEY BRIGHT · Mar 19, 2021

Ronald Nolette said:
Tempt is one thing sinning is another. It says that He was tempted , so He can be a merciful High Priest who knows the depth of our affliction in temptation.

Jesus could not sin, for He had no sin nature, He had a divinve nature. He could feel the angst of temptation, but could not yield to that temptation.

He would not have been God if He could sin (for God is incapapble of sin), He could not have been Messiah either. The hypostatic union is aver complex and complicated thing to try to understand.

So are you saying that God created Adam with a sinful nature and so it was inevitable for Adam to sin? Because that doesn't sound right to me. To me it seems Adam obviously had the ability to be tempted and not sin or to be more accurate when God gave Adam a command to obey he obviously was able to obey that command even when tempted or wouldn't God be giving Adam an impossible command to obey?

soul man · Mar 19, 2021

April_Rose said:
So there's some debate whether or not Jesus could sin and just chose not to or if He was incapable of sinning. I personally believe that He was capable of sinning and just chose not to for two reasons. One,.. if He couldn't sin then why would Satan even bother with trying to tempt Him in the first place and two,.. if He was incapable of sin then I don't think it would have worked for Him being the perfect sacrifice for our sins.

No Jesus did not have a sin nature.
You have to have a sin nature to sin. You are not a sinner because you sin, you are a sinner because you have a sin nature (in scripture God deals with the root problem not just sins but what causes sins; which was the sin nature 'the root'). The cross is where the sin nature (the root' the death-poison-life-separation) is killed out by Jesus the Christ who knew no sin. Lamb without spot or blemish (no sin nature). His father is God not Adam. Mary provided a body only, she did not give the content (Christ) nor did any man...She knew no man... A proper pronunciation for Jesus when he walked the Earth is Jesus the Christ.

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. - Isaiah 9:6.

A child was born (mary body) but a Son was given (Father's Son and content of the Mary body).

Our Father was Adam. We are (all humanity) inherently sinners by the one sinner Adam by our nature (old man which is crucified).

Footnote: sin nature is the same as the 'spirit of fear' or sin nature. Where did fear come from? It comes from the nature. Scripture says 'we have not been given the spirit of fear' how is that when fear still works in a individual? Fear came from the sin nature and now like anything else that effects the believer it comes from mind not spirit. The spirit is made complete by Christ in you.

Nancy · Mar 19, 2021

JohnDB said:
One of the New Testament writers said something about Jesus being a second Adam...
Just something else to put in your back teeth.

Yeah, there is that,

April_Rose · Mar 19, 2021

lilygrace said:
Jesus was without sin.
Hebrews 4:15
King James Version
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

I don't think that part was ever in question though or to the other people who have stated the same thing.

JesusLovesYou said:
How well do we know what is written?
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Not very well. The only verse I memorized is John 3:16,.. the others I have to look up even though I remember certain things here and there. The Bible is way too big and thick for me to remember it all though.

JesusLovesYou · Mar 19, 2021

April_Rose said:
I don't think that part was ever in question though or to the other people who have stated the same thing.

Try verse by verse, starting with those verses that concern you most.

Not very well. The only verse I memorized is John 3:16,.. the others I have to look up even though I remember certain things here and there. The Bible is way too big and thick for me to remember it all though.

Ronald Nolette · Mar 19, 2021

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
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Jesus came in the likeness of the first man Adam, whether you choose to believe that or not is on you. Those who say Jesus came in the likeness of a God-Man deny Jesus came in the likeness of the first man Adam, you're saying he came more than human.

Already told you I believed it- it means form or shape- not nature .Sorry but that is the bible!

Jesus forgave sins. Only God can forgive sins! He was fully God and fully human whether you can understand or accept it.

Ronald Nolette · Mar 19, 2021

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
So are you saying that God created Adam with a sinful nature and so it was inevitable for Adam to sin? Because that doesn't sound right to me. To me it seems Adam obviously had the ability to be tempted and not sin or to be more accurate when God gave Adam a command to obey he obviously was able to obey that command even when tempted or wouldn't God be giving Adam an impossible command to obey?

No god created Adam with the ability of what some call, the right to contrary choice (free will) Adam sinned and lost that free will and began the process of physical death while he underwent spiritual death immediately.

We are born with a sin nature we inherit from Adam and Eve. God knew Adam would sin and allowed it to happen for His purposes.

Taken · Mar 19, 2021

Why Do We Sin?

Lack of understanding How NOT to sin.

lilygrace · Mar 19, 2021

April_Rose said:
I don't think that part was ever in question though or to the other people who have stated the same thing.

I believe you. I just saw implications and not just by you that Jesus was capable of sin which i do not believe. But that's ok. Maybe I'm just confused about what is said.

Not very well. The only verse I memorized is John 3:16,.. the others I have to look up even though I remember certain things here and there. The Bible is way too big and thick for me to remember it all though.

April_Rose · Mar 19, 2021

I do believe that Jesus was perfectly capable of sinning like the rest of us, He was just lacking the desire to want to do it.

BARNEY BRIGHT · Mar 19, 2021

April_Rose said: Then why was Satan wasting his time trying to tempt Him?[/Quote\]

I don't believe the Only-Begotten Son of God to have come as a God-Man. What others choose to believe is their choice. I obviously don't know what you believe about that. The reason I don't believe that the Only-Begotten Son of God came as a God-Man is that it wasn't a God-Man that was lost when Adam sinned by disobeying God.
It was a perfect sinless human without spot or blemish that God created and that's what was lost, when Adam sinned. A ransom had to be paid to save the world of mankind so the Only Begotten Son came as that ransom, he came as a perfect sinless human without spot or blemish, not more than that. Jesus was able to be tempted but unlike the first man Adam, Jesus chose to remain faithful to God his Father because of his love for his Father and God, that's why Jesus didn't sin is because of that Love he has for his Father and God.

BARNEY BRIGHT · Mar 19, 2021

Ronald Nolette said:
Already told you I believed it- it means form or shape- not nature .Sorry but that is the bible!

Jesus forgave sins. Only God can forgive sins! He was fully God and fully human whether you can understand or accept it.

A person has to believe that Jesus came in the likeness of the first man Adam. The first man Adam wasn't human and divine or a God-Man. A person who believes the Only-Begotten Son of God became more than human is denying that the Only-Begotten Son of God became human like Adam. It wasn't God who became human, it was the Only Begotten Son of God who did. Yes the Only Begotten Son of Gods nature was human nature when the Only Begotten Son of God came in the likeness of the first man Adam. It wasn't just his form it was his nature, human nature that the Only-Begotten Son of God came to the world of mankind. To deny this is denying that the Only-Begotten Son of God became flesh like the first man Adam was. Was Jesus of devine origin, yes, the Only Begotten Son of God didn't descend from the sinner Adam so he didn't inherit imperfection from him or he wasn't born in sin as we the offspring of Adam are.
As for only God having the authority to forgive sins, God has the authority to give his Only-begotten Son authority to forgive sins. Why because Jesus always kept his ear tuned to Gods word and didn't look to do, his own will, but the will of his Father who is God. This assures us that the Only Begotten Son of God as Gods appointed judge, his decisions would always be right and righteous. John 5:30;

soul man · Mar 20, 2021

Ronald Nolette said:
Already told you I believed it- it means form or shape- not nature .Sorry but that is the bible!

Jesus forgave sins. Only God can forgive sins! He was fully God and fully human whether you can understand or accept it.

And when you take care of sin "behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world" it took care of sins to or all sin (sin nature) as well as every sin ever committed was taken care in Christ at the cross. When sin happens now to a believer who is in Christ it comes from soul not spirit. 1John 3:8-9.
The spirit is in Christ and complete, that is how you divide soul and spirit and have some understanding about how christianity works. That is Christ crucified that Paul had determined to know now nothing but "Christ crucified." The cross.

Robert Gwin · Mar 20, 2021

April_Rose said:
So there's some debate whether or not Jesus could sin and just chose not to or if He was incapable of sinning. I personally believe that He was capable of sinning and just chose not to for two reasons. One,.. if He couldn't sin then why would Satan even bother with trying to tempt Him in the first place and two,.. if He was incapable of sin then I don't think it would have worked for Him being the perfect sacrifice for our sins.

Anyways, so now that I've covered why I think Jesus didn't sin,.. why do we sin? Could we choose to never sin if we really wanted to or is it because that it's in our blood due to the original sin? If the latter part is true how was Jesus born without it when (even though I already know that the Catholics will disagree with me on this but it's not biblical and Mary could have just easily died on the cross for our sins then) Mary was a sinner herself?

Hi April, we sin because we were born in sin, in other words we inherited it from our sinful original parents. Jesus was perfect, and proved that perfect humans were not created with a defect, they did not have to sin. Much has been accomplished by sin however, we see where disobedience has taken the world. That will greatly aid us in standing firm when satan is released from his prison, and all those alive will have to be tested as was Adam.

April_Rose · Mar 20, 2021

I still wonder how Jesus didn't inherit Mary's sin because regardless of how He got inside her womb she was still His mother.

Ronald Nolette · Mar 20, 2021

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
A person has to believe that Jesus came in the likeness of the first man Adam. The first man Adam wasn't human and divine or a God-Man. A person who believes the Only-Begotten Son of God became more than human is denying that the Only-Begotten Son of God became human like Adam. It wasn't God who became human, it was the Only Begotten Son of God who did. Yes the Only Begotten Son of Gods nature was human nature when the Only Begotten Son of God came in the likeness of the first man Adam. It wasn't just his form it was his nature, human nature that the Only-Begotten Son of God came to the world of mankind. To deny this is denying that the Only-Begotten Son of God became flesh like the first man Adam was. Was Jesus of devine origin, yes, the Only Begotten Son of God didn't descend from the sinner Adam so he didn't inherit imperfection from him or he wasn't born in sin as we the offspring of Adam are.
As for only God having the authority to forgive sins, God has the authority to give his Only-begotten Son authority to forgive sins. Why because Jesus always kept his ear tuned to Gods word and didn't look to do, his own will, but the will of his Father who is God. This assures us that the Only Begotten Son of God as Gods appointed judge, his decisions would always be right and righteous. John 5:30;

Your error is you reject the divinity of Christ and think He is just an angel.
YOu also err because you forget God refers to a person and to a nature! Or you intentionally ignore it.

NO we don't have to believe Jesus opnly came as a human. He existed by nature s God as Phil. 2 clearly says.
He took on human form and a human nature!

I agree with most of what you say in the last paragraph (except the part God th eFather gave God the son the authority to forgive sins, you won't find that thought anywhere in the bible)

YOu believe Jesus is Michael the Archangel, so how can He have existed by very nature as God when angels are different by nature than god?

Jesus was given a human nature, but still retained His divine nature as well! . "Being" in verse 6 is in the present active participle. Learn what that does for a verb. Then maybe you can understand that Jesus is God the Son and not God the Father. That they both share the exact same nature or essence. They are equally divine while the son inposition is inferior to the Father!

BARNEY BRIGHT · Mar 20, 2021

Ronald Nolette said:
Your error is you reject the divinity of Christ and think He is just an angel.
YOu also err because you forget God refers to a person and to a nature! Or you intentionally ignore it.

NO we don't have to believe Jesus opnly came as a human. He existed by nature s God as Phil. 2 clearly says.
He took on human form and a human nature!

I agree with most of what you say in the last paragraph (except the part God th eFather gave God the son the authority to forgive sins, you won't find that thought anywhere in the bible)

YOu believe Jesus is Michael the Archangel, so how can He have existed by very nature as God when angels are different by nature than god?

Jesus was given a human nature, but still retained His divine nature as well! . "Being" in verse 6 is in the present active participle. Learn what that does for a verb. Then maybe you can understand that Jesus is God the Son and not God the Father. That they both share the exact same nature or essence. They are equally divine while the son inposition is inferior to the Father!

Actually John, in his gospel at John 1:14 said that the Word became flesh. He didn't say the Word became flesh and God. The plain simple fact is that a person has to believe that the Only-Begotten Son of God is the Word that came as human in nature just as the first man Adam was human in nature. Jesus Christ who is the Only Begotten Son of God if he were a God-Man he would be more than human in nature when he came to the world of mankind. The first perfect sinless human Adam, wasn't created a person who was both human and of divine nature, so believing the Only Begotten Son of God came as both human and divine nature is denying that he came in the likeness of the first man Adam.
If someone believes the Word is God, then they are saying that it was God who became human and denies that it was the Only Begotten Son of God who became human. You reject that the Word is the Only-begotten Son of God and You reject that the Only-Begotten Son of God came to the world of mankind in the likeness of the first perfect sinless human, Adam, if you believe the Word is God instead of the Only Begotten Son of God.You also reject that the Only-Begotten Son of God sacrificed his perfect sinless human body, his perfect sinless human life. You also reject that it was the Only Begotten Son of God who was resurrected a life giving spirit who was given immortality and inherited incorruption.

Wrangler · Mar 20, 2021

Ronald Nolette said:
He took on human form and a human nature!

Humans tend to take on human form and human nature.

Wrangler · Mar 20, 2021

April_Rose said:
I still wonder how Jesus didn't inherit Mary's sin because regardless of how He got inside her womb she was still His mother.

Great question! I think the traditional denominations are anal about this sort of thing. I once listened to a sermon where the pastor stated that just because Jesus was sinless does not mean he did everything perfectly, such as always cutting the proper angle of wood as a carpenter. I relate to a human Jesus and I never relate more to him more than when he angrily overthrew tables at the temple.

To your point, sin is non-transferrable. This applies to you, me and Jesus. The capacity to sin is human. This potential need not be realized at every turn. You and I do not realize this capacity every chance we get. Sometimes you and I get it right. Of course, it is those other times that we need help.

I believe most of the times I sin, it is driven by ego. The most basic human ego is depicted in the fall, the desire to be God. This translation opened my eyes to this basic human desire to be God.

When all of the other gods
have come together,
the LORD God judges them
Psalm 82:1 (CEV)

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