A Christian who deny Jesus is God in Flesh

[Wrangler]

Furthermore, you also admit that you reject all Trinitarian doctrine. So, it is obvious that you go into each verse with a bias that keeps you from believing the words as they appear.

As usual, you have things backwards.
P1. The trinity is not in the Bible.
P2. Moreover, there is much more evidence against the trinity in the Bible.

C. Therefore, I reject the trinity.

 

[Wrangler]

What is the significance of the singular pronoun ‘me’ in the 1C

Elaborate, please.

I’ve elaborated in dozens of posts already. Let me simplify. What does a singular pronoun in a sentence signify?

 

[justbyfaith]

You mean, man made doctrine in the 4th century.

No, I mean the God-given revelation given by the Holy Spirit in the 4th century.

The trinity is not in the Bible.

It is.

True Trinity. (posts #1-#6).

 

[Wrangler]

No, I mean the God-given revelation given by the Holy Spirit in the 4th century.

You cannot actually believe that Jesus lied, held out is nature as the suffering servant of God was just a ruse.

 

[Wrangler]

It is.

If the trinity were in the Bible, there would be no reason for the HS to reveal it in the 4th century.

 

[justbyfaith]

If the trinity were in the Bible, there would be no reason for the HS to reveal it in the 4th century.

Why?

 

[jaybird]

John 17 1-3

The High Priestly Prayer

1When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, 2since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. 3And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

Jesus says the Father is the only true G-D. why do trins ignore these passages? i guess they dont ignore them, they redefine words like "only" to mean other persons are also the Most High which is the opposite meaning of "only" but in the trinity world everything is backwards and inverted.

 

[Wrangler]

In Jn. 1:1, what specifically in the phrase "God was the Word"... is figurative ...

You do like to do laps on ground already covered. A person or being is not a word; this is how I know the passage is figurative. See Brick House by the Commodores. A gal is not a brick house. Therefore, figurative.

You said, "I reject trinitarianism but admit there are some verses that appear to support some of it." Based on this statement, you are clearly speaking about verses in the Bible as they appear to you with no one else's involvement involvement.

You are reading into the text of my post what is not there. The proper way to read my post has already been repeatedly explained.

Do you agree the one God has referred to Himself in the singular and plural?

No. Again, laps. (It only appears that way to trinitarians desperate to find ANYTHING in Scripture to support their non-unitarian view of God, forgetting the writers of the Bible were monotheists/unitarians who reject trinitarianism. Therefore, any text from Scripture can only be properly interpreted as rejecting trinitarianism.)

Do you agree God is referred to in the Bible >5,000 times using singular pronouns?

Do you agree water (singular) exists in the following forms: liquid, solid, and vapor?

Oh boy, not this tired old flawed analogy. There are 5 states of matter. God must be a pentagonal being, right?

 

[jaybird]

Do you agree water (singular) exists in the following forms: liquid, solid, and vapor?

water will always be water and does not contradict itself like the trinity.
the Father is all knowing , Jesus is not
the Father is eternal , Jesus was begotten
etc

 

[justbyfaith]

John 17 1-3

The High Priestly Prayer

1When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, 2since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. 3And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

Jesus says the Father is the only true G-D. why do trins ignore these passages? i guess they dont ignore them, they redefine words like "only" to mean other persons are also the Most High which is the opposite meaning of "only" but in the trinity world everything is backwards and inverted.

No, we don't ignore them.

The original Greek bears out that the word "and" in John 17:3 is "kai" which can be translated "even".

Is Jesus a true God or a false god?

 

[Wrangler]

No, we don't ignore them.

The original Greek bears out that the word "and" in John 17:3 is "kai" which can be translated "even".

You do know that "can be" is merely a potential, right?

Is Jesus a true God or a false god?

A false trinitarian God.

 

[Wrangler]

Justbyfaith,

Why do Christians deny Jesus is God in Flesh? Is this question asked in the search for knowledge or just a device to attack those who have different beliefs from you?

Wrangler

 

[Wrangler]

Why do Christians reject Jesus is God in the flesh? They have good reasons, MANY good reasons. For instance, consider Christianity's end game. NOTE: Who is not to be put under the feet of the Anointed? Not 'the Father.' God, in his unitarian nature. If Jesus were God, even part of a trinitarian God, this distinction would not be necessary.

'The Father' alone is God. The Bible says this over and over and over again. The Bible never says God, the Son. What part of this do you not grasp?


23 But this is how it will happen: the Anointed’s awakening is the firstfruits. It will be followed by the resurrection of all those who belong to Him at His coming, 24 and then the end will come. After He has conquered His enemies and shut down every rule and authority vying for power, He will hand over the Kingdom to God, the Father of all that is. 25 And He must reign as King until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last hostile power to be destroyed is death itself. 27 All this will happen to fulfill the Scripture that says, “You placed everything on earth beneath His feet.” (Although it says “everything,” it is clear that this does not also pertain to God, who created everything and made it all subject to Him.) 28 Then, when all creation has taken its rightful place beneath God’s sovereign reign, the Son will follow, subject to the Father who exalted Him over all created things; then God will be God over all.
1 Corinthians 15:23-28 (Voice)

 

[jaybird]

No, we don't ignore them.

The original Greek bears out that the word "and" in John 17:3 is "kai" which can be translated "even".

Is Jesus a true God or a false god?

your saying what the passage "really" says is

"that they know you, the only true God, and even Jesus Christ whom you have sent"
which doesnt really make any sense. even Jesus . . . and?

the ASV if the only version that replaces and with even.

and what about your beloved kjv? did the prophets with their divine connection to the heavens make a mistake on this one?

and the biggest problem with this, if it is true, it doesnt change anything, the Father according to Jesus is still the only true Most High. "only" does not mean other people.

 

[justbyfaith]

your saying what the passage "really" says is

"that they know you, the only true God, and even Jesus Christ whom you have sent"
which doesnt really make any sense. even Jesus . . . and?

the ASV if the only version that replaces and with even.

and what about your beloved kjv? did the prophets with their divine connection to the heavens make a mistake on this one?

and the biggest problem with this, if it is true, it doesnt change anything, the Father according to Jesus is still the only true Most High. "only" does not mean other people.

Is Jesus a true God or a false god?

Can you answer the question?

 

[jaybird]

Is Jesus a true God or a false god?

Can you answer the question?

Are you asking is He the Most High?

 

[Wrangler]

This is another "lap" because this is the second time you changed the context of my question by removing certain words, so as to avoid giving an answer to what I actually asked!

Because what you are asking is a trap. How often do you beat your husband?

 

[Wrangler]

Do you understand water (singular) exists in the following states: liquid, solid, and gas (vapor)?

I understand you are desperate to support a flawed doctrine.

 

[justbyfaith]

Are you asking is He the Most High?

I'm asking you, is He (Jesus Christ) a true God or a false god?

Can you answer the question as I have phrased it?

 

[jaybird]

I'm asking you, is He (Jesus Christ) a true God or a false god?

Can you answer the question as I have phrased it?

all sons of the Most High are gods by definition. so yes, Jesus is a god.