ScottA
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That is not biblical.
Adam was not BORN of God, he was "created" in the "image" of God. And there is only One begotten Son of God - only One.
But, hey...good fleshing it out with you!
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Adam was not BORN of God, he was "created" in the "image" of God. And there is only One begotten Son of God - only One.
But, hey...good fleshing it out with you!
101G
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GINOLJC, to all,
First thanks for the reply. and thank you Scott for proving what I been teaching all along. the ONLY "begotten" vs "born",
The Original Greek Word Monogenes, The phrase "only begotten", in the original Greek language, is Strong #3439
Combination of two words: "monos" which means "only" or "alone," and "genos" which means "of the same nature, kind, sort, species" (Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the NT)
A better translation might be "only one of its kind" or "only unique" or just "only," but not "begotten."
Jesus Christ, the Son of God is a unique and one-of-a-kind being. The word actually has nothing to do with origin, as does typically the word "begotten". Rather the intent is to affirm that Jesus Christ is the unique, only one of His kind, Son of God.
see, scott only begotten has nothing to do with orgins, when you hear "born" or "BEGOTTEN" you think natural, or fleshly. see begotten is spiritual. let me give you an example,
1Cor 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
now, did Paul physically "birth" any one here in that verse. see your, as the topic said, "common error", do you see it now.
that was a deception on your part. let's see God sons and daughters whom he begotten by the Gospel of Christ, as mention by Paul in the above scripture, and born of the Spirit.
2Cor 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2Cor 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Adam was a "son" of God, and here son is not referring to biology but to character, or characteristics. I suggest you study G5207, huios.
Now, you said, "Adam was not BORN of God", I will show you both physically and Spiritually.
to understand "son" one need to unders the term FATHER first. listen,
1. physically, "FATHER", metaphorically, the originator and transmitter of anything. the authors of a family or society of persons animated by the same spirit as himself. one who has infused his own spirit into others, who actuates and governs their minds.
my source for this is the blue letter bible online. and here's the Link and you can read it for your self. Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
now, why is this important? because as said Adam was "CREATED". now listen as reproved with Job 38 so here now physically. for God is Called the Father of Lights whach are physical lights in the sky whom God "CREATED". listen to the same definition of the blue letter bible in outline
III. God is called the Father
A. of the stars, the heavenly luminaries, because he is their creator, upholder, ruler.
now Scott is not God the "CREATOR" of Adam. that's why Adam is call the son of God, lets check the record.
Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. Adam didn't have a earthly father physical Father, but a Heavenly Father, GOD HIMSELF.
see Scott read your DICTIONARIES and you'll find out a lot.
now #2, Spiritually, Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
now go back to the definition of FATHER from the blue letter bible.
Scott I see you don't know the diffrence between "only begotten" and "Born", or BORN AGAIN. common sense tells us to be born "again" then we must have been born before. as all humanity was in Adam, now all of humanity is nin Christ JESUS.
Scott you added that into the conversatation, "Adam was not BORN of God, he was "created" in the "image" of God. And there is only One begotten Son of God - only One".
the desception you added to throw me off the cource I was on, omly proved out my point of Jesus being the "diversity" or the only unique "KIND"
listen G243 allos which is the base of my Doctrine on the Godhead. G243 allos definition, Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort
Scott, do you know what "Sort" means? listen to dictionary.com
SORT: a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature:
ther's that G3439 μονογενής monogenes, only begotten.
here is a source to help you understand what "Only Begotten" means, but there are many more articles out there. BibleLessons.com
Read that article real good, and get an understanding.
and re-read this post for full clarity.
be blessed.
PS, since we're on this subject of Father and son. as the topic here states, "common errors", I would like to examine or ask you a few question about the physical and Spiritual terms Father and Son. thanks in advance.
You are mixing 2 dispensations together; The Dispensation of Promise, or Kingdom (Corinthians), with the Dispensation of the Mystery (Ephesians, Colossians). Apples and oranges. This is impossible since Israel and all things Israel, including Paul's Acts books, were set aside, dispensationally, when the Salvation of God (Jesus Christ) was taken from Israel in Acts of the Apostles 28:28 , about 64AD. All of Paul's Acts books were associated with Israel, since all Gentiles in the church were grafted into Israel and were, therefore, part of Israel. Also Paul claimed to have taught NOTHING but what came from Moses (Torah) and the Prophets - All OT, which is 100% Israel, Acts of the Apostles 26:22 .
On the other hand, EVERYTHING taught in Paul's 7 post-Acts books was contained in a Mystery that was hid in God since the world began (Ephesians 3:9, Colossians 1:26), way before Adam or Abraham (In fact, the word "Abraham" and the phrase "it is written" do not appear even once in any of the post-Acts epistles. In Paul's Acts epistles, they occur 29 and 32 times). This Mystery was given to Paul, by Christ, after Acts ended (Ephesians 3:3). Therefore, it is impossible that the 7 after-Acts books can contain ANYTHING of a dispensational nature from the other 59 books, including Paul's Acts books. In other words, you can find nothing pertaining to the mystery, your Hope of Christ's Calling, your future, and the rules and directions governing these things, in any of Paul's Acts epistles
The best proof of this are the 2 different Hopes of the 2 different Callings. In the all-Israel 59 books, during Acts and before, no one EVER had a Hope of going to Heaven. The saved Gentiles in Acts, being part of Israel, had a Hope of the New Jerusalem (which isn't Heaven) (Galatians 4:26 ), the Hope of the Corinthians, at best. After Acts, our present Hope is to spend eternity in the Heaven of Heavens, far above the starry Heavens, where Christ sits at the right hand of God (Ephesians 1:20 Christ, Ephesians 2:6 Us -same place)
With different Hopes, everything is different. You can't be in both the all-Israel New Jerusalem, where each tribe has its own gate, and the all-Gentile Heaven of Heavens
This is only one aspect of many, that proves mid-Acts dispensationalism is faulty teaching.
Concerning the absurdity of the mystery in Roman 16:25 being the same as the mystery in Ephesians, note that the mystery in Romans was made manifest "but now" in vs 26. This was about 6 years before Ephesians was written. Therefore, if this mystery was revealed when Romans was written, where is it? Where does it say during Acts that the Gentiles are no linger grafted into Israel and that their Hope is to spend eternity where God lives. Acts is totally silent about everything after Acts, When the Bible is silent, we must also be silent. Acts and After-Acts, apples and oranges.
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if you are there right now, today, like the v even reads, sure; "in the heavenly places..."
If you are inferring that you will go to heaven after you have literally died,
well, we have plenty of other Scripture that will clarify that i guess,
and you can start reading It whenever you are ready
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if you are on tares everything is different too i guess, you will see double vision, there will be suddenly Two Gospels, etc
you will be making statements of belief as if they were AT, on and on, many clear signs i guess
I'm rejoicing that God saved me before I found from religion how difficult it is. It's much easier for the repentant publicans than for the self anointed sanhedrin. Then and now.
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And yet, we (Christians) are children of Abraham by faith according to Galatians 3:6-9.
Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness, then understand that those who have faith are Abraham’s sons. Now the Scripture saw in advance that God would justify the Gentiles by faith and told the good news ahead of time to Abraham, saying, All the nations will be blessed through you. So those who have faith are blessed with Abraham, who had faith.
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ScottA
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Yeah, yeah...words, all words. Which you have selectively chosen to suit your own understanding in translation - and yet the outcome is that you make Adam and Jesus out to be equals. Well, they're not.
You even have the audacity to equate them using the term "spirit" among your definitions, as if every being of God's creation were the same, like Father, like son/Son, as if the Potter and the clay were actually family. Wrong again.
The "image" which God "created" in Adam...was just an image. Is a created image of you, actually you? Perhaps you would like to tell the world how you and your picture are "animated by the same spirit."
And you call yourself a teacher.
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Yes...that is the rest of the story.
Just so long as we do not take away from the point made in the OP. Which if I may paraphrase, is that, that was then, and this is now...and just as it would have been wrong for Moses to preach what Christ had for the gentiles, it is also wrong for the church to be preaching what He had for the house of Israel.
So, the rest of the story should be that the church at some point should come out of its slumber and awaken to what the early fathers misunderstood about these times. That these times should finish with the outpouring of the spirit of God upon all flesh, as foretold by Joel the prophet. Unfortunately, the church still has its head buried in the words given to the house of Israel, instead of embracing what is written of those words written on hearts.
Paul spoke of this, saying, "Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God..." Yet few heard it and took it to heart.
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101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks for the reply.
second, no not all words but God's WORD, which it seems you cannot accept. and to, "selectively chosen to suit your own understanding in translation". I didn't write any dictionary definitions, nor made any translations. what's wrong, the dictionary is not agreeing with YOU?. that's a sad excuse.
you ERROR there, #1. for the "SON" is the Father... (smile), and #2. the clay in the resurrection, or the restoration is Family. scripture,
Heb 2:11 "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren",
just in case you didn't understand the verse, let me translate it for you in real time for your understanding.
Heb 2:11 "For both he that sanctifieth (THE POTTER) and they who are sanctified (THE CLAY) are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren",
God shapes us to his image, (which I will get to later). so your potter and clay scenario just got broken
that's your problem scott, the image is not just an IMAGE of me but GOD in ME. sure I will LOVE to tell the world, how me (the image of God, as you said, are "animated by the same spirit)
Scott and the world listen up.
the IMAGE of God is both inward, and outward. foundation scripture,
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth". notice the scripture said, "MAKE" man in our, STOP, is not God "ONE", so how can God make Man in "our" image if he's ONE, and he's "a" Spirit, (John 4:24a), do a Spirit have an IMAGE? let's get the definition of IMAGE, according to Dictionary.com.
IMAGE: 1. a physical likeness or representation of a person, animal, or thing, photographed, painted, sculptured, or otherwise made visible.
2. an optical counterpart or appearance of an object, as is produced by reflection from a mirror, refraction by a lens, or the passage of luminous rays through a small aperture and their reception on a surface.
3. a mental representation; idea; conception.
now, knowing this definition, let's see the IMAGE of man WHO is from God.
#1. the, "physical likeness or representation of a person". as the definition states above, looking at Genesis 1:26 GOD said, make in our IMAGE and "our likeness". definition #1. states, "a physical likeness or representation of a person". do we have scripture that confirms the image is a. a physical likeness ? and b. "ANOTHER" to confirm the OUR? more than one, but yet the same one. let's check the record,
Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phil 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phil 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
OK, TWO WORDS HERE,
1. LIKENESS:G3667 ὁμοίωμα homoioma (ho-moi'-ō-ma) n.
1. a form.
2. (abstractly) resemblance.
[from G3666]
KJV: made like to, likeness, shape, similitude
a "form?", God is a Spirit, he have no "form" or "Shape". but that flesh body that God made for Adam is the "form", or the "shape" that is God's image to come in, which he did. let's check the RECORD. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
and scott, if you want to know who the "Word" is just check John 1:1.... (smile). that's the OUTWARD IMAGE, flesh, the physical likeness.
Now #2, the INWARD IMAGE, the LIVING "SOUL". foundation scripture,
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
let's just get to the chase, Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
THE "FIGURE" TO COME?. here's the "OUR" of God to come , the another of God in FLESH. which I been saying all alone, God is the ANOTHER of himself in flesh. so now we need to see what was in that flesh body.
That word "figure" is synonyms with "IMAGE" meaning another word for "figure" is "IMAGE", that's what synonyms means.
According to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, FIGURE here is the Greek word,
G5179, tupos
a type, figure, pattern," is translated "figures" (i.e., representations of gods) in Acts 7:43; in the RV of Acts 7:44 (for AV, "fashion") and in Rom 5:14, of Adam as a "figure" of Christ. See ENSAMPLE.
the defition states, "a type", do you scott, know what a type meams? let's see.
1. a number of things or persons sharing a particular characteristic, or set of characteristics, that causes them to be regarded as a group, more or less precisely defined or designated; class; category: (this is what I been saying all alone about our ENSAMPLE, Christ in the "Figure" definition). see scott "sharing", "sharing", "sharing", NOT SEPARATE PERSON. if you will notice, that's the definition of G243 allos which points out the "OUR" and "US" in Genesis 1:26, in the GODHEAD, the ANOTHER of oneself, how? by SHARING of the SAME.
characteristics, that causes them to be regarded as a group. yes, as ONE Group .... do you understand the implication of this definition?. see we're in the same group, hence the title "sons" of God. why because we have his Spirit.
see scott, characteristics is the inward, the LIVING SOUL that is the IMAGE of God.
now your, "animated" by the same Spirit.
Isa 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
I suggest you read yourcommentaries on the verse especially Gill's
Conclusion: the Image of God is God himself in Flesh which we're to be, (a Family). supportive scripture, Eph 3:14-19, meaning that we should be JUST LIKE HIM. that's what son are, they are LIKE their Father. not their Father, but LIKE him.
scott .... I'm glad you throwed, "like Father, like son/Son", and "The "image" which God "created" in Adam" into the conversation. .. :cool: just make my job more easy.
I hope you and the world was listening.......
now the last thing,
You say .... :)
PS I suggest you re-read this post for clearity.
scott you can ask me questions, I answer, may I ask you a question?
let's get this Father/Son thing stright, as the topic said, "A common errors". this is one, do you agree that the Father and the Son is the SAME "PERSON", yes or No.
if No please reconcile these two verses.
1. John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
2. Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself.
thanks in advance. looking to hear from you.
ScottA
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None of that makes them (whether it be Adam or Jesus, or the Potter and the clay) the same. It only makes God's cause in their creation the same as He has done.GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks for the reply.
second, no not all words but God's WORD, which it seems you cannot accept. and to, "selectively chosen to suit your own understanding in translation". I didn't write any dictionary definitions, nor made any translations. what's wrong, the dictionary is not agreeing with YOU?. that's a sad excuse.
you ERROR there, #1. for the "SON" is the Father... (smile), and #2. the clay in the resurrection, or the restoration is Family. scripture,
Heb 2:11 "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren",
just in case you didn't understand the verse, let me translate it for you in real time for your understanding.
Heb 2:11 "For both he that sanctifieth (THE POTTER) and they who are sanctified (THE CLAY) are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren",
God shapes us to his image, (which I will get to later). so your potter and clay scenario just got broken
that's your problem scott, the image is not just an IMAGE of me but GOD in ME. sure I will LOVE to tell the world, how me (the image of God, as you said, are "animated by the same spirit)
Scott and the world listen up.
the IMAGE of God is both inward, and outward. foundation scripture,
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth". notice the scripture said, "MAKE" man in our, STOP, is not God "ONE", so how can God make Man in "our" image if he's ONE, and he's "a" Spirit, (John 4:24a), do a Spirit have an IMAGE? let's get the definition of IMAGE, according to Dictionary.com.
IMAGE: 1. a physical likeness or representation of a person, animal, or thing, photographed, painted, sculptured, or otherwise made visible.
2. an optical counterpart or appearance of an object, as is produced by reflection from a mirror, refraction by a lens, or the passage of luminous rays through a small aperture and their reception on a surface.
3. a mental representation; idea; conception.
now, knowing this definition, let's see the IMAGE of man WHO is from God.
#1. the, "physical likeness or representation of a person". as the definition states above, looking at Genesis 1:26 GOD said, make in our IMAGE and "our likeness". definition #1. states, "a physical likeness or representation of a person". do we have scripture that confirms the image is a. a physical likeness ? and b. "ANOTHER" to confirm the OUR? more than one, but yet the same one. let's check the record,
Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phil 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phil 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
OK, TWO WORDS HERE,
1. LIKENESS:G3667 ὁμοίωμα homoioma (ho-moi'-ō-ma) n.
1. a form.
2. (abstractly) resemblance.
[from G3666]
KJV: made like to, likeness, shape, similitude
a "form?", God is a Spirit, he have no "form" or "Shape". but that flesh body that God made for Adam is the "form", or the "shape" that is God's image to come in, which he did. let's check the RECORD. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
and scott, if you want to know who the "Word" is just check John 1:1.... (smile). that's the OUTWARD IMAGE, flesh, the physical likeness.
Now #2, the INWARD IMAGE, the LIVING "SOUL". foundation scripture,
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
let's just get to the chase, Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
THE "FIGURE" TO COME?. here's the "OUR" of God to come , the another of God in FLESH. which I been saying all alone, God is the ANOTHER of himself in flesh. so now we need to see what was in that flesh body.
That word "figure" is synonyms with "IMAGE" meaning another word for "figure" is "IMAGE", that's what synonyms means.
According to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, FIGURE here is the Greek word,
G5179, tupos
a type, figure, pattern," is translated "figures" (i.e., representations of gods) in Acts 7:43; in the RV of Acts 7:44 (for AV, "fashion") and in Rom 5:14, of Adam as a "figure" of Christ. See ENSAMPLE.
the defition states, "a type", do you scott, know what a type meams? let's see.
1. a number of things or persons sharing a particular characteristic, or set of characteristics, that causes them to be regarded as a group, more or less precisely defined or designated; class; category: (this is what I been saying all alone about our ENSAMPLE, Christ in the "Figure" definition). see scott "sharing", "sharing", "sharing", NOT SEPARATE PERSON. if you will notice, that's the definition of G243 allos which points out the "OUR" and "US" in Genesis 1:26, in the GODHEAD, the ANOTHER of oneself, how? by SHARING of the SAME.
characteristics, that causes them to be regarded as a group. yes, as ONE Group .... do you understand the implication of this definition?. see we're in the same group, hence the title "sons" of God. why because we have his Spirit.
see scott, characteristics is the inward, the LIVING SOUL that is the IMAGE of God.
now your, "animated" by the same Spirit.
Isa 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
I suggest you read yourcommentaries on the verse especially Gill's
Conclusion: the Image of God is God himself in Flesh which we're to be, (a Family). supportive scripture, Eph 3:14-19, meaning that we should be JUST LIKE HIM. that's what son are, they are LIKE their Father. not their Father, but LIKE him.
scott .... I'm glad you throwed, "like Father, like son/Son", and "The "image" which God "created" in Adam" into the conversation. .. :cool: just make my job more easy.
I hope you and the world was listening.......
now the last thing,
You say .... :)
PS I suggest you re-read this post for clearity.
scott you can ask me questions, I answer, may I ask you a question?
let's get this Father/Son thing stright, as the topic said, "A common errors". this is one, do you agree that the Father and the Son is the SAME "PERSON", yes or No.
if No please reconcile these two verses.
1. John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
2. Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself.
thanks in advance. looking to hear from you.
As I said, you and your picture are not the same. Your picture (and the "images" in His "creation") are only a "likeness", and not equal at all.
But here again, you only go on and on defining words to define things in accord with your own understanding, which is not the truth. Shall I also then, pick out some words (used by God) and go on and on defining them for another five centuries, while people sleep?
No, I shall rather tell the truth, and God (not me or you) will determine which is void and which is true.
101G
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first thanks for the the reply.
second, you cannot refute what I have said, and please don't use the excuse about defining word which help one to understand the Gospel as a crutch for an excuse.
but you have nothing to contridict anything I have posted. but you give excuses, which is just that, an excuse for not knowing the truth.
now did you answer the question I asked? John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24. you said, "I shall rather tell the truth, and God (not me or you) will determine which is void and which is true". ok, you asked me to tell the world, so it's your turn to tell the world if the Person in John 1:3 is the Same Person of Isaiah 44:24, is it the same PERSON scott, yes or no.
ScottA
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I have refuted what you have said, and in way fewer words. But why should I contradict your rattling on and on about incorrect interpretations until our generation passes? I will not.
As for whether "the Person in John 1:3 is the Same Person of Isaiah 44:24, is it the same PERSON?" They are. What's your point?
I know this wasn't addressed to me, but imo the answer is no. I do not believe they are the same person.
101G
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first, thanks for the reply, and I have not seen any correction or reproofing of what I have posted.
second, the point is this,
that only "ONE" begotten son of God is Jesus the Christ, the Word of John 1:3. if it's the same person, (which it is, congratulation on that), a. how can he be his own son? b. being the same person, then there is no trinity concept, and that means that the Holy Spirit is no third Person. which bring us to my step #3. Jesus who is "LORD", Isaiah 44:24, and "Lord", John 1:3 is that same Holy Spirit that breathed into Adam nostrils, which you deny that Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
Now that you admitted, (to the world), that the one whom many calls the Father, (Isaiah 44:24) is the same person whom many calls the, Son, (John 1:3).
What I'm doing is eliminating each person you believe in, to show you that the same Spirit that was in Adam is in us who is JESUS the Holy Spirit.
now let's eliminate your Last person. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever". this is the Lord Jesus speaking, see that word "Another". it's the Greek word, G243 Allos. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort.
you do know what "sort" means right, according to dictionary.com,
1. a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature:
2. character, quality, or nature:
have you seen those definitions before? yes.
now if the Lord Jesus is the "ANOTHER" of God in flesh, now glorified, would not that make him the Comforter? ... which will eliminate the third person. I suggest you read also of John chapter 14 veses 17 & 18. we'll discuss this tomorrow, Lord willing.
see my whole purpose is to show that Adam indeed had the Holy Spirit.
101G
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first thanks for the reply, and you can jump in at any time, I don't mind.
second, please give reason, based on the scriptures I posted, why it's not the same person. looking to hear from you.
ScottA
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See you didn't have to go on and on - that's enough already.
There are spirits, and then there are spirits.
Are you saying that all spirits are clean/holy spirits? 'Cause they're not.
Another contradiction.
Simple. The OT text refers to the Father who created all things through His Son... The NT text.
One powerful prerogative we have from God is the freedom to believe what we choose to believe. That does not mean we can do so without consequences, nevertheless, that freedom demands we abstain from condemning others for their beliefs... Or forcing them to believe as we do... But warm them in love, yes, but never go beyond that. Something else I will not go beyond is what the scriptures teach about God. I cannot see anything in scripture that teaches that the Father and Son are anything but two distinct separate personalities. I cannot do as others, and as the Trinity doctrine teaches, to theorise regarding how those two personalities co exist with one another. For example, when I am speaking of God, and I use the pronoun He, I will always be referring to the Father. Never in scripture have I seen any use of the pronoun collectively meaning either the Father and Son or a trinity.
Nor do I believe that Jesus, though He pre-existed creation and made all things by the power of the Father, become a Son only at the incarnation. "Whose going forth from everlasting" means to my mind at least, He was a Son from a time, if we may speak of such a thing before creation, farther back than any could understand. But being a literal Son, He had a beginning.
Any philosophising beyond that is treading on sacred ground and on territory upon which we have no revelation.
Nor do I believe that Jesus, though He pre-existed creation and made all things by the power of the Father, become a Son only at the incarnation. "Whose going forth from everlasting" means to my mind at least, He was a Son from a time, if we may speak of such a thing before creation, farther back than any could understand. But being a literal Son, He had a beginning.
Any philosophising beyond that is treading on sacred ground and on territory upon which we have no revelation.
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