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"Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions" In your opinion should I, as a follower of Christ, tolerate anyone-( including he who is called Pope), should I tolerate any descent from the TRUTH? Keep in mind , I am NOT attacking the truths held by you and your denomination, only the lies. Am I acting on the convictions I hold in my faith in Christ?
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You love it, dont know how you can live with yourself. Im still enjoying my lovely day,
Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Mat 15:12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
Mat 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
Mat 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
As i have said many times. all you do is expose yourself.
Have a lovely day.
So because your denomination lays claim to a Word- Catholic this therefore determines you hold only- and all truth? You once replied to me that "If I am of Orthodox then I am Protestant". Though the Coptic and other middle eastern churches and Greek and the Ethiopian Church, were established before both the RCC or Protestant splinter. These are the churches of the ancient way from which Rome compiled much biblical information from. These Churches today of course have been decimated (in the middle east) through Obama and the Beast system's false wars and toppling of thrones.
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And lets not forget that they were first called Christians, not Catholics or protestants.
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Uhhhh - they were FIRST called followers of "The Way" (Acts 9:2).
Does that mean that when they were first called "Christians" in Antioch (Acts 11:26) that they broke off into a new "denomination"?
They were ALSO referred to as the "Sect of Nazarenes" (Acts 24:5). Was THIS a new "denomination"?
The Catholic Church is that SAME Church that has 3 different titles in the 1st century.
Ignatius of Antioch, a student of the Apostle John was writing about "The Catholic Church" as if it were a commonly-used title at the beginning of the 2nd century.
You guys need to study your history . . .
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Established 1980. by "Generals" James and Deborah Green
The Catholic Church - established by Jesus Christ in 33 AD.
HI EndTimeWine,
I thought you had given up on this thread because you couldn't answer my question.
Can I remind you that you claimed:
I asked you when, in your opinion, was the Catholic Church founded and by whom?
You claim it was founded in 389 AD but provide no evidence.
You claim you had posted all about this but the post was deleted. So presumably you should have evidence. Yet you seem unable to provide it.
I thought you had given up on this thread because you couldn't answer my question.
Can I remind you that you claimed:
And when pressed to some evidence you claimed
I asked you when, in your opinion, was the Catholic Church founded and by whom?
You claim it was founded in 389 AD but provide no evidence.
You claim you had posted all about this but the post was deleted. So presumably you should have evidence. Yet you seem unable to provide it.
Actually it was established by men, who than called themselves catholics, and therefore separated them selves from Christ by putting men to rule and rein over them. What had God got to do with mens religions, why do you keep yourself so far from Him, what is it you are afraid of.??
1Sa_8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
Luk 22:24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
Luk 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
Luk 22:26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
Have a nice day
Rome Becomes Christian, Western Empire Ends
A.D. 379
Theodosius I, shown here in this plate, or missorium, commemorating his tenth year as emperor, was the first Roman Emperor to decree that all citizens should be Christian.
Photograph by Werner Forman/Corbis
Though Constantine I (circa A.D. 280 to 337) was the first Christian emperor of Rome, it was not until decades after he died that Christianity became the official religion of the empire.
Ruling from 379 to 395, Emperor Theodosis I was the first emperor to decree that all citizens should be Christian. He was also the last ruler to preside over a united Eastern and Western Roman Empire. Indeed, east and west had been diverging since long before his reign.
Theodosis allowed most pagans to worship in peace. But he forcibly removed "heretic" Arian or Gnostic bishops from Christian churches throughout the eastern empire.
These officials were replaced with "catholic" Christians, as defined by the circa-325 Council of Nicea. The creed recognized the equal divinity of the holy Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
After Theodosis' death in 395 the empire split into western and eastern halves, with the eastern half being much stronger.
The Western Roman Empire, including much of Italy, Spain, Gaul, Britain, and North Africa, was plagued by economic stagnation and invaders such as the Visigoths.
By A.D. 402 the Western Empire was unable to protect even its ancient capital from hordes of barbarian invaders. The emperor Honorius moved the capital from Rome to Ravenna, the stronghold port of the empire's Adriatic Sea fleet. Rome's run at the head of the empire was unequivocally over.
The waning western empire was governed from Ravenna until its final end in 476, when Germanic tribesmen overthrew Emperor Romulus Augustulus.
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Apparently, you didn't READ post #366.
Here it is again . . .
Uhhhh - they were FIRST called followers of "The Way" (Acts 9:2).
Does that mean that when they were first called "Christians" in Antioch (Acts 11:26) that they broke off into a new "denomination"?
They were ALSO referred to as the "Sect of Nazarenes" (Acts 24:5). Was THIS a new "denomination"?
The Catholic Church is that SAME Church that has 3 different titles in the 1st century.
Ignatius of Antioch, a student of the Apostle John was writing about "The Catholic Church" as if it were a commonly-used title at the beginning of the 2nd century.
You need to study your history . . .
Yes the catholic church is the catholic church, built by catholics, run by catholics, uses catholic doctrines, catholic traditions, caholic, protcols and teh head is teh catholic pope.
Now Christians belong to Christ, they follow after Christ, they speak of only Christ, they have no men before them because Christ is the head of His church, and as He said,
Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
and
Joh 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
and your church broke off when it became teh catholic church and replaced Jesus with the pope.
Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
1Sa_8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
Have a lovely day.
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Really?
When did this happen?
History is a funny thing, my ignorant friend. You can't escape history.
EVERYTHING has a starting point. so tell me - WHEN did the Catholic Church "break away"??
I've been asking that question since I got my first computer and I never get an answer. The standard answer is Constantine introduced paganism into the Church, but an examination of historical facts shows this to be a myth.
13 Logical Problems with the Constantine Founder Myth:
Anti-Catholic Myths and Lies: #1 Emperor Constantine Founded the Catholic Church | Living Bread Radio Network
History should we discuss it, murdering Jews, forcing Christians to join at point of death, child molesting, homosexual priests and popes, dealing in drugs, selling salvation at a price, yes BOL you cant escape History, your church is bloodied with the blood of His saints and His children, and do really think Jesus can be a part of all that,
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
we know whom your church belongs to like all mens religions, it aint God.
And still you have absolultey no evidence of your church belonging to Christ without twisting words and truth to conform with teh lie, and history cleary says you church is not His by its deeds.
Doctrinal purity has nothing to do with sinful members. I would challenge most of your hateful rant but it would be pointless. Your HATE has been addressed many times. We are not afraid to admit to sinners in the Church, but not to your HATEFUL exaggerations. You need a church to admit sinners are in it, you don't even have a church. Let us know when you get one.
There were no "officials" outside the Church at Nicae, they were all Catholic bishops. Constantine may have been present, but he had no spiritual jurisdiction whatsoever; he did not participate in the deliberations, and there is not a shred of evidence that he did.Rome Becomes Christian, Western Empire Ends
A.D. 379
Theodosius I, shown here in this plate, or missorium, commemorating his tenth year as emperor, was the first Roman Emperor to decree that all citizens should be Christian.
Photograph by Werner Forman/Corbis
Though Constantine I (circa A.D. 280 to 337) was the first Christian emperor of Rome, it was not until decades after he died that Christianity became the official religion of the empire.
Ruling from 379 to 395, Emperor Theodosis I was the first emperor to decree that all citizens should be Christian. He was also the last ruler to preside over a united Eastern and Western Roman Empire. Indeed, east and west had been diverging since long before his reign.
Theodosis allowed most pagans to worship in peace. But he forcibly removed "heretic" Arian or Gnostic bishops from Christian churches throughout the eastern empire.
These officials were replaced with "catholic" Christians, as defined by the circa-325 Council of Nicea. The creed recognized the equal divinity of the holy Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Governmental/secular decrees from emperors does not determine when Christianity was STARTED, they determine when it was LEGAL.
The Church was founded around 33 AD by Jesus Christ, no group of mere humans could build something so infallible and indestructible without divine assistance.
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State church of the Roman Empire
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Missorium of Emperor Theodosius I, who made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.
Nicene Christianity became the state church of the Roman Empire with the Edict of Thessalonica in 380 AD, when Emperor Theodosius I made it the Empire's sole authorized religion.[1][2] The Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, and the Catholic Church each claim to be the historical continuation of this church in its original form, but do not identify with it in the caesaropapist form that it took later. Unlike Constantine I, who with the Edict of Milan of 313 AD had established tolerance for Christianity without placing it above other religions[3] and whose involvement in matters of the Christian faith extended to convoking councils of bishops who were to determine doctrine and to presiding at their meetings, but not to determining doctrine himself,[4] Theodosius established a single Christian doctrine (specified as that professed by Pope Damasus I of Rome and Pope Peter II of Alexandria) as the Empire's official religion.
Earlier in the 4th century, following the Diocletianic Persecution of 303–313 and the Donatist controversy that arose in consequence, Constantine had convened councils of Christian bishops to define the orthodoxy, or "correct teaching", of the Christian faith, expanding on earlier Christian councils. A series of ecumenical councils met during the 4th and 5th centuries, but Christianity continued to suffer rifts and schisms surrounding the issues of Arianism, Nestorianism, and Miaphysitism. In the 5th century the Western Empire decayed as a polity: invaders sacked Rome in 410 and in 455, and Odoacer, an Arian barbarian warlord, forced Romulus Augustus, the last nominal Western Emperor, to abdicate in 476. However, apart from the aforementioned schisms, the church as an institution persisted in communion, if not without tension, between the east and west. In the 6th century the Byzantine armies of the Eastern Roman Emperor Justinian I recovered Italy and other sections of the western Mediterranean shore. The Eastern Roman Empire soon lost most of these gains, but it held Rome, as part of the Exarchate of Ravenna, until 751, a period known in church history as the Byzantine Papacy. The Muslim conquests of the 7th century would begin a process of converting most of the then-Christian world in West Asia and North Africa to Islam, severely restricting the reach both of the Byzantine Empire and of its church. Missionary activity directed from Constantinople, the Byzantine capital, did not lead to a lasting expansion of the formal power of the Empire's state church, since areas outside the empire's political and military control set up their own distinct state churches, as in the case of Bulgaria in 919.
Justinian I, who became emperor in Constantinople in 527, established the bishops of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem – referred to[by whom?] as the Pentarchy – as the leadership of the Imperial church and gave each bishop the title of "Patriarch".
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Missorium of Emperor Theodosius I, who made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.
Nicene Christianity became the state church of the Roman Empire with the Edict of Thessalonica in 380 AD, when Emperor Theodosius I made it the Empire's sole authorized religion.[1][2] The Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, and the Catholic Church each claim to be the historical continuation of this church in its original form, but do not identify with it in the caesaropapist form that it took later. Unlike Constantine I, who with the Edict of Milan of 313 AD had established tolerance for Christianity without placing it above other religions[3] and whose involvement in matters of the Christian faith extended to convoking councils of bishops who were to determine doctrine and to presiding at their meetings, but not to determining doctrine himself,[4] Theodosius established a single Christian doctrine (specified as that professed by Pope Damasus I of Rome and Pope Peter II of Alexandria) as the Empire's official religion.
Earlier in the 4th century, following the Diocletianic Persecution of 303–313 and the Donatist controversy that arose in consequence, Constantine had convened councils of Christian bishops to define the orthodoxy, or "correct teaching", of the Christian faith, expanding on earlier Christian councils. A series of ecumenical councils met during the 4th and 5th centuries, but Christianity continued to suffer rifts and schisms surrounding the issues of Arianism, Nestorianism, and Miaphysitism. In the 5th century the Western Empire decayed as a polity: invaders sacked Rome in 410 and in 455, and Odoacer, an Arian barbarian warlord, forced Romulus Augustus, the last nominal Western Emperor, to abdicate in 476. However, apart from the aforementioned schisms, the church as an institution persisted in communion, if not without tension, between the east and west. In the 6th century the Byzantine armies of the Eastern Roman Emperor Justinian I recovered Italy and other sections of the western Mediterranean shore. The Eastern Roman Empire soon lost most of these gains, but it held Rome, as part of the Exarchate of Ravenna, until 751, a period known in church history as the Byzantine Papacy. The Muslim conquests of the 7th century would begin a process of converting most of the then-Christian world in West Asia and North Africa to Islam, severely restricting the reach both of the Byzantine Empire and of its church. Missionary activity directed from Constantinople, the Byzantine capital, did not lead to a lasting expansion of the formal power of the Empire's state church, since areas outside the empire's political and military control set up their own distinct state churches, as in the case of Bulgaria in 919.
Justinian I, who became emperor in Constantinople in 527, established the bishops of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem – referred to[by whom?] as the Pentarchy – as the leadership of the Imperial church and gave each bishop the title of "Patriarch".
Ye who persecute Christ, hate you dont know teh meaning.
Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
You do not know who you stand against. so blind.
How can anyone not but hate that which is Anti Christ.
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