I agree we discovered these laws/properties.
This is a claim that you need to support.
I agree.
Then why should I believe?
Vince,
Nancy wrote: "Somebody created all these things, these wonders."
Your response was: "This is a claim that you need to support."
Would you please tell us of anything that was created that didn't have a creator?
- Do you know of houses created without carpenters?
- Do you know of grass that grows without water created by some source?
- How about the personal computer and screen that I'm using to write this? Do they need creators or not?
Why on earth would you ask Nancy to provide support for her reasonable claim that 'somebody created all these things, these wonders'?
I had my first set of hearing aids fitted today? What created the deterioration in my hearing sharpness? Surely I don't need to defend my need for hearing aids when the devices that check my hearing demonstrate I need them.
Seems as though you are running away from the cause of what is created by God.
How do you know this? How do you know that there was nothing before the universe began? The answer is that we don't know how or why the universe is here but jumping to a conclusion because we don't know then it must have been a god is a logical fallacy.
That's simple. In the reliable OT, which is demonstrated through historical and MSS verification, we know the books of the OT provide us with documents to be trusted.
In that OT, it states that there was a beginning of the heavens and the earth: 'In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth' (Gen 1:1). There was a beginning of the universe. When God created the heavens and the earth, He created time. There was no created thing before that time.
Leading Christian apologist, Dr William Lane Craig, wrote this in his book,
Time and Eternity:
“It seems to me, therefore, that it is not only coherent but also plausible that God existing changelessly alone without creation is timeless and that He enters time at the moment of creation in virtue of His real relation to the temporal universe” (Craig 2001:236).
The timeless God entered time when He created the heavens and the earth.
Oz