Christ has already returned ?

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MatthewG

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Looking at it this way, that would mean nothing in the Bible is for us today. The book of John was address to certain people of that time, so does that mean John 3:16 no longer applies today? Think about what you're saying here. What Paul taught in his letters was not intended for his audience only. Paul references the church in Ephesians 5:22-32. Not just the church in Ephesus. The body of Christ. There's no reason to think that Paul would not have written things that were applicable to the overall body of Christ to the Ephesians.

I never said — nor have I ever implied — that nothing in the Bible applies to us today. There are universal principles all throughout Scripture that still stand. Saying that the Bride of Christ was a first‑century reality doesn’t mean the rest of the Bible becomes useless. That’s simply not what I believe.

What I am saying is this:
Certain passages had a specific audience, covenant moment, and historical context.
That includes the teachings about the Bride and the sealing that belonged to that generation Jesus spoke to.

But that doesn’t erase the universal truths we still live by — like John 3:16. The problem is that many people quote John 3:16 while also preaching that God hates the world and that Jesus is coming back to destroy it. That’s a contradiction they never address.

So yes, you’re right that Paul taught things that apply broadly to the body of Christ. But that doesn’t change the fact that some parts of his letters were written to a specific people facing a specific prophetic moment. Both can be true at the same time.

You’re pointing out a double‑edged tension, and I get that. But acknowledging context doesn’t make Scripture less meaningful — it actually makes it more accurate and more consistent.


The Bible is useful for building up the spiritual man or woman but not to become spiritually prideful over people or anything like that, but to abide more in the Spirit of Christ if anything.
 

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As suspected, the Preterist nonsense destroyed by a few simple verses.
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Christ has NOT YET returned
100% correct!

Yes the preterist bend and twist scripture trying desperately to put the events of the Olivet discourse being fulfilled in the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem by Roman armies as fulfillment of Matthew 24

Many posting are "Partial Preterist" and they deny specifically the literal second coming seen below in Matthew and claim it represents a coming in Judgement, denying the literal second coming seen

(The Future Literal Second Coming Seen Beliw)

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 

MatthewG

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100% correct!

Yes the preterist bend and twist scripture trying desperately to put the events of the Olivet discourse being fulfilled in the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem by Roman armies as fulfillment of Matthew 24

Many posting are "Partial Preterist" and they deny specifically the literal second coming seen below in Matthew and claim it represents a coming in Judgement, denying the literal second coming seen

(The Future Literal Second Coming Seen Beliw)

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

I just want you to know I have you hidden and ignored but what you say is a lie about me personally, as you can see below. Thank you for your contribution to this thread that is not even mine.

I appericate everyone person that is against me on this forum site.

But make sure you know what I am capable of telling people in real life as well as the internet with no shame. They disagree but that is about it.

 

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I just want you to know I have you hidden and ignored but what you say is a lie about me personally, as you can see below. Thank you for your contribution to this thread that is not even mine.

I appericate everyone person that is against me on this forum site.

But make sure you know what I am capable of telling people in real life as well as the internet with no shame. They disagree but that is about it.




People think im coming out with some private interpertation or something when I openly confess in front real life human beings with no problem.
 

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I never said — nor have I ever implied — that nothing in the Bible applies to us today. There are universal principles all throughout Scripture that still stand. Saying that the Bride of Christ was a first‑century reality doesn’t mean the rest of the Bible becomes useless. That’s simply not what I believe.
You seem to have implied it. It comes across that way to me when you say that Ephesians 5:22-32 only applies to the ones that Paul wrote to. How do you decide that to be the case, but then decide that other things he said apply more than to just them and still apply to all believers today?

What I am saying is this:
Certain passages had a specific audience, covenant moment, and historical context.
That includes the teachings about the Bride and the sealing that belonged to that generation Jesus spoke to.
How do you come to that conclusion with any given passage?

So yes, you’re right that Paul taught things that apply broadly to the body of Christ. But that doesn’t change the fact that some parts of his letters were written to a specific people facing a specific prophetic moment. Both can be true at the same time.
Yes, that can be true, but how do you come to that conclusion in relation to Ephesians 5:22-32, where Paul references "the church" in general rather than just the church in Ephesus?
 

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You seem to have implied it. It comes across that way to me when you say that Ephesians 5:22-32 only applies to the ones that Paul wrote to. How do you decide that to be the case, but then decide that other things he said apply more than to just them and still apply to all believers today?


How do you come to that conclusion with any given passage?


Yes, that can be true, but how do you come to that conclusion in relation to Ephesians 5:22-32, where Paul references "the church" in general rather than just the church in Ephesus?

The Spirit. Take that however you want. Cause I can't take human word half the time. As you see some people wanna lie about other people without even understanding what they have to share.
 

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Yes, that can be true, but how do you come to that conclusion in relation to Ephesians 5:22-32, where Paul references "the church" in general rather than just the church in Ephesus?
Paul absolutely references “the church” in Ephesians 5, but that doesn’t change who he was talking to or the covenant moment they were living in. When Paul says “the church,” he isn’t suddenly shifting to a timeless, universal, all‑future body. He’s speaking about the first‑century community of believers who were actually alive, actually waiting for Christ’s appearing, and actually part of the covenant Bride.

He even frames the whole letter to “the saints who are in Ephesus” (Eph. 1:1). The audience doesn’t magically change just because he uses the word “church” in a broader sense. Paul regularly uses “the church” to describe the collective body of believers of his own generation—the same people he says Christ would return for soon (Hebrews 10:37), the same people he says were being prepared as a Bride (Revelation 19:7).

So Ephesians 5 isn’t Paul talking to us today. It’s Paul explaining the relationship between Christ and the Bride that existed then, the one he said was being sanctified and cleansed in their time.

Nothing in the passage requires me to insert myself into that first‑century Bride. I can believe in Christ, walk in the Kingdom, and live by the Spirit without claiming a role that belonged to a specific covenant people in a specific moment of redemptive history.

That’s how I come to that conclusion.