Christ has already returned ?

[MatthewG]

Calm down there. I'm trying to have a reasonable discussion with you and I'm not judging you, okay? I'm just asking if you've considered the possibility that Jesus could have been talking about His transfiguration in Matthew 16:28 or not. So, have you?

I’m calm, brother. I’m not upset with you at all. I’m just answering from conviction, not emotion. And yes — I have considered the transfiguration view for Matthew 16:28. It’s one of the most common interpretations, and I understand why people hold it.

But here’s why I don’t believe the transfiguration fulfills what Jesus said:

• Jesus said “some standing here will not taste death until…”
In the transfiguration, it was only six days later (Matthew 17:1). No one died in those six days, so the statement loses its meaning if applied there.
• Jesus said they would see “the Son of Man coming in His kingdom” (Matthew 16:28).
At the transfiguration, Jesus was glorified, yes — but He did not come in His kingdom, judge anyone, or reward every man according to his works (Matthew 16:27).
• Peter, who was at the transfiguration, later says the transfiguration was a preview, not the fulfillment:
“We were eyewitnesses of His majesty…” (2 Peter 1:16–18).
He never equates it with the coming Jesus promised.
• Jesus ties the “coming of the Son of Man” to the destruction of Jerusalem in that generation (Matthew 24:27–34).
That’s the same timeframe He referenced in Matthew 16:28.


So yes — I’ve considered the transfiguration view carefully. I just don’t think it fits the details Jesus Himself gives.

I’m not trying to win an argument. I’m simply following the text where it leads me. If we’re going to talk about it, I’m happy to do that respectfully.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus and his transfiguration shares what I believe where Jesus is now…

On the throne with Yahavah.

Glorified after saving the bride and overcoming all things.

 

[MatthewG]

You're saying you believe He came and got His bride in 70 AD and then immediately went back to heaven with His bride? Don't you believe that those who are Christians now are part of His bride?

I’m not part of the bride at all. People proclaim that but I don’t see how we could be.

What I do believe is that everyone dies and is immediately judged and resurrected.

That was the first century people under apostolic rulership, which was the Bride of Christ.


I don’t claim to be the bride of Christ or part of it.


I see us more as individuals all choosing to have faith and believe or not and be sons or daughters of God through faith in the resurrected Lord Jesus.

 

[MatthewG]

Think about it, people in Jesus time.

Are they important?

Do the introductions of most letter include where the people are ?

That’s the real people being talked to…

You know how people share Thessaloniki right? Those people where there living reading the apostles letter…

Or Ephesus, people lived there but today people need people to come to church so many in church pulpits and stuff disregard these things…

They just regurgitate idk… whatever comes to their minds and however it gets people in the seats doesn’t matter gotta make money.


That’s most pastors mentality and you never get really taught properly… you just kind of nod and and listen to someone tell you how to believe without thinking for yourself….



At the end of the day still love God and people just these quibbles are a reality… but don’t define a life lived for God…

That’s on every individual … either believe on the resurrected Lord Jesus, and raise with him into newness of life and love, as we suffer through.

Or don’t.

That’s my outlook.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I’m calm, brother. I’m not upset with you at all. I’m just answering from conviction, not emotion. And yes — I have considered the transfiguration view for Matthew 16:28. It’s one of the most common interpretations, and I understand why people hold it.

That's all I was asking was if you have considered it. Thanks for answering the question.

But here’s why I don’t believe the transfiguration fulfills what Jesus said:

• Jesus said “some standing here will not taste death until…”
In the transfiguration, it was only six days later (Matthew 17:1). No one died in those six days, so the statement loses its meaning if applied there.

That isn't necessarily the case. Jesus knew that most likely all of His disciples would die before He came again in glory (many believe they were all martyred, which is very possible), but He wanted to give some of them a glimpse of that before they died.
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• Jesus said they would see “the Son of Man coming in His kingdom” (Matthew 16:28).

In Mark 9, it's worded like this...

Mark 9:1 And He said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that there are some standing here who will not taste death till they see the kingdom of God present with power.” 2 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John, and led them up on a high mountain apart by themselves; and He was transfigured before them. 3 His clothes became shining, exceedingly white, like snow, such as no launderer on earth can whiten them.

I would say the way Jesus is described in Mark 9:3 qualifies for the kingdom of God being present with power.

At the transfiguration, Jesus was glorified, yes — but He did not come in His kingdom, judge anyone, or reward every man according to his works (Matthew 16:27).

I don't think it's necessary to assume that Jesus, in verse 28, was talking about what the fulfillment of what He mentioned in verse 27. I think He wanted to give some of His disciples a preview, so to speak, of what it would be like when Matthew 16:27 is fulfilled by showing Himself to them in glory. When He comes in the future He will appear in glory.

• Peter, who was at the transfiguration, later says the transfiguration was a preview, not the fulfillment:
“We were eyewitnesses of His majesty…” (2 Peter 1:16–18).

Right. I don't believe Jesus intended to refer to anything but that in Matthew 16:28. I believe He was intending to say that He was going to give some of them standing there a preview of His coming in glory.

He never equates it with the coming Jesus promised.
• Jesus ties the “coming of the Son of Man” to the destruction of Jerusalem in that generation (Matthew 24:27–34).
That’s the same timeframe He referenced in Matthew 16:28.

That can't be true because Jesus said that the coming of the Son of Man will result in heaven and earth passing away and all unbelievers being killed just as was the case in the flood in Noah's day (Matthew 24:35-39 - compare to 2 Peter 3:6-7,10-12).

So yes — I’ve considered the transfiguration view carefully. I just don’t think it fits the details Jesus Himself gives.

I think there's some details that you maybe haven't considered, which I've shared above, but you have to decide for yourself what to believe, of course.

I’m not trying to win an argument. I’m simply following the text where it leads me. If we’re going to talk about it, I’m happy to do that respectfully.

I can do that and am trying to, but I do have a disdain for full preterism. But, I can see that you do believe you will be with Christ when you die and you are trying to be respectful, so I will honor that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I’m not part of the bride at all. People proclaim that but I don’t see how we could be.

Why not? Paul describes the bride of Christ in Ephesians 5:22-32 and he said it is the church. You believe you're part of the church, don't you?

 

[Stumpmaster]

Yeah but we need the spirit. You can comment all day it doesn’t matter to me man.

You up ignore my first retort. That’s very typical of people who want to fight.

It’s stupid to fight.
. I don’t want to fight. I’m just stating obvious things concerning your first mention.

Thanks buddy! The fact you can’t respond to the first retort says a lot… not that it matters.

Believe what you want. I still believe Jesus came back and wasn’t a liar that’s all on me; against the world. lol.

You have a good night @Stumpmaster you got me stumped!

No need for you to be rude, @MatthewG

1Th 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Php 1:9-11 And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment, (10) that you may approve the things that are excellent, that you may be sincere and without offense till the day of Christ, (11) being filled with the fruits of righteousness which are by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.

 

[MatthewG]

No need for you to be rude, @MatthewG

1Th 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Php 1:9-11 And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment, (10) that you may approve the things that are excellent, that you may be sincere and without offense till the day of Christ, (11) being filled with the fruits of righteousness which are by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.

I don’t believe I was being rude. What I reacted to was the way people use certain religious phrases as a kind of weapon—“Look at his language, he’s not a saint,” or “He must not be spiritual.” Those statements were never written to us in the first place, and using them as a measuring stick today is misleading. It also creates this idea that if someone is older or claims more “spiritual authority,” then I’m not allowed to think for myself. That kind of religious posturing is exactly the nonsense I reject.

I’m not waiting for a future “day of Christ,” and I’m not interested in internet personalities who present themselves as spiritually superior. Anyone can look holy online. A person who seems admired by everyone can still be someone entirely different behind closed doors. Jesus Himself warned about this when He said, “You will know them by their fruits” (Matthew 7:16). Appearance is not the same as character.

My point is simple: I’m speaking honestly, I’m thinking for myself, and I’m not going to let religious pressure or spiritual theatrics dictate how I express my faith. I’m responsible before God for my own walk, not for meeting someone else’s expectations.

(We could go all the way back to the first point we discussed and start from there, but that was something you disagreed with—and that’s fine. If someone needs a future, earthly kingdom to look forward to, that’s their framework. But I believe the Kingdom is already present, just as Jesus said: “The Kingdom of God is within you” (Luke 17:21). Scripture also says that God “has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us into the Kingdom of His beloved Son” (Colossians 1:13).

Because of that, I see myself as a son or daughter of God right now, exactly as the New Testament describes believers: “You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:26). My identity isn’t tied to waiting for a future kingdom or a future event—it’s grounded in what Christ has already accomplished.

That’s the reasoning behind why I say what I do. I’m not dismissing anyone’s belief; I’m simply standing on what I see clearly in the text: a present Kingdom, a present identity, and a present relationship with God.)

Yes I believe Jesus came to those people spoken to in Revelation it was going to happen shortly and it concerned that generation in that day in time. You can say that I am wrong that's fine it wont matter.

Why not? Paul describes the bride of Christ in Ephesians 5:22-32 and he said it is the church. You believe you're part of the church, don't you?

I understand what he’s saying, but Paul in Ephesians was speaking directly to the believers of that time. People often treat every line as if it’s addressed to us in the exact same way, but Paul clearly wrote “to the saints who are in Ephesus” (Ephesians 1:1). Those letters had a real audience, real context, and a real covenant moment.

As for me, I believe I’m part of the Kingdom—not the first‑century church that was called the Bride. Scripture shows that the Bride was a unique covenant people waiting for Christ’s return in their generation (Matthew 24:34, Revelation 19:7). I don’t need to place myself in that role to walk with God or to be saved.

Because of that, I don’t have to live in fear about things like the Book of Life or whether I’m “sealed” in the same way they were. Jesus said plainly, “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life” (John 3:36). I’m a believer, and God has given me real freedom in my life. I can choose, I can think, and I can follow Him without being bound to someone else’s interpretations.

At the end of the day, the foundation is simple: I am loved, you are loved, and God loves the whole world. “For God so loved the world…” (John 3:16). His desire is that people turn toward Him and trust Him.

And that’s what matters—living by the Spirit of Christ and walking in faith, because “without faith it is impossible to please God” (Hebrews 11:6). That’s the life I’m choosing to live.

 

[MatthewG]

I can do that and am trying to, but I do have a disdain for full preterism. But, I can see that you do

I want to make sure you understand where I’m coming from. I don’t believe in a “spiritual” coming of Jesus. My faith is in a real, historical, bodily Jesus who came exactly as He promised, gathered His bride, judged that generation, and then sat down on the throne with the Father as “the Lord God Almighty” (Revelation 21:22).

I believe in actual fulfillment, not symbolic fulfillment.

Some preterists say Jesus came “spiritually,” but I don’t see how that fits the Scriptures. Jesus said His coming would be something seen:

“They will see the Son of Man coming…” — Matthew 24:30

And Hebrews confirms that His appearing was to those who were waiting for Him:

“To those who were eagerly waiting for Him, He appeared a second time…” — Hebrews 9:28

That’s not spiritual language — that’s appearance, visibility, and fulfillment.

Jesus also told His disciples:

“There are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” — Matthew 16:28

If Jesus said some of them would live to see it, then I take Him at His word.

This is why I don’t accept the futurist claim that “everyone on planet earth” must see Him physically in the sky. Jesus wasn’t talking to the whole world — He was talking to His disciples, telling them to watch, wait, and look for His coming:

“When YOU see all these things…” — Matthew 24:33
“This generation will not pass away…” — Matthew 24:34

The ones who saw Him were the ones He told to look — the faithful remnant of that time, not the entire globe thousands of years later.

So my belief is simple and rooted in Scripture:

Jesus came exactly when He said, to the people He said it to, and they saw Him because they were the ones watching, waiting, and faithfully looking — just as Hebrews says.

“So Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who were eagerly waiting for Him He will appear a second time…” — Hebrews 9:28

That’s the key line — and the only line I can quote verbatim — but here’s what it means, in context:

✦ What Hebrews 9:28 is actually saying​

• Jesus’ second appearing was specifically for those who were eagerly waiting for Him.
• It does not say “every person on earth.”
• It does not say “all nations will see Him physically in the sky.”
• It ties His appearing to the people of that covenant, the ones who were actively watching.

This matches Jesus’ own words:

“When YOU see all these things…” — Matthew 24:33 “This generation will not pass away…” — Matthew 24:34 “Some standing here will not taste death…” — Matthew 16:28

So that’s why I believe these things to be true. I don’t see myself as part of a bride that still needs to be rescued today, because that rescue already happened for the people Jesus told to watch, wait, and look for Him. They were the ones enduring tribulation, persecution, and covenant transition — and they were the ones He promised to come back for.

Hebrews even says His appearing was for those who were eagerly waiting for Him (Hebrews 9:28). That was their moment, their hope, their deliverance. They went through those things for our benefit, so that we could live on the other side of fulfillment — in the Kingdom He established, not in the anxiety of waiting for a rescue that already took place.

 

[quietthinker]

I’m someone who believes Jesus was seen physically, not spiritually or symbolically. Scripture says plainly, “He presented Himself alive… being seen by them” (Acts 1:3). That physical appearing matters, because it anchors everything in real fulfillment, not abstraction.

My belief goes against the core of their system because I hold to fulfillment — that Jesus kept His word exactly as He said He would. He was not a liar. He told His disciples, “Some standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom” (Matthew 16:28). I take Him at His word.

I believe He gathered the Bride of Christ in that day and age, just as He promised: “I will come again and receive you to Myself” (John 14:3). The apostles understood this timing, saying they were living in “the ends of the ages” (1 Corinthians 10:11).


@markalan thank you for bringing those points up.

When it comes down to it all us are gonna die and go be judged by God I believe immediately upon death. that’s my view, we are all gonna go meet God one day that’s for sure.

The ascension was at least 40 days after the resurrection. Read the account in Acts 1:1-10
That will clarify whether Jesus has returned.
You can marry Matthew 24: 22-44, 1 Corinthians 15: 42-58 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17

 

[MatthewG]

The ascension was at least 40 days after the resurrection. Read the account in Acts 1:1-10
That will clarify whether Jesus has returned.
You can marry Matthew 24: 22-44, 1 Corinthians 15: 42-58 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17

Cornelius, you’re free to believe whatever you choose. I’m not here to give people false hope or push something I don’t believe myself. That’s exactly why I speak plainly.

A lot of people get religiously manipulated, and a lot of people manipulate others. That’s part of why I’m careful with what I say. Age doesn’t matter either—anyone, even a 90‑year‑old, can change their mind when they see something differently.

What I don’t understand is why you’d jump in like this after everything I’ve already shared. But it’s fine if you hold to your own view. You’re allowed to. You could even say we’re an off‑shoot of the first‑century Bride of Christ if that helps you frame it.

But we’re not living their covenant, their warnings, or their expectations. We don’t have to experience what they did. We get to live by the Spirit today and choose how we walk out our lives.

That’s all I’m saying.

 

[MatthewG]

It’s honestly damaging for a lot of people to even consider the idea that Jesus already came again, because it forces them to rethink their entire worldview. Most people look at the world and see nothing but darkness, chaos, and judgment. They’ve been taught that everyone is basically headed straight to hell unless they meet a list of requirements that Jesus Himself never gave.

And that’s the problem—if Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection weren’t enough, then what are we even saying about Him? If people need to be “perfect,” constantly ready, and obedient to whatever a man behind a pulpit demands, then the cross wasn’t sufficient. That’s the mindset a lot of churches push.

Some even turn it into a system: “You’re not right with God unless you come back to church.” “You can’t be part of the fold unless you pay what you owe.” “You missed your tithes? That’s $1,200—then you can return.”

That’s not the gospel. That’s control. That’s fear. That’s a spiritual debt‑collection agency pretending to speak for God.

And when someone accepts that Jesus actually fulfilled what He promised to that generation, it breaks that whole system. It removes the fear, the manipulation, the constant anxiety about being “ready enough.” It forces people to see that the kingdom is spiritual, not a future doomsday event they have to survive.

That’s why people fight this idea so hard. It doesn’t just challenge their theology—it challenges the entire structure they’ve built their religious life on.

And really, all that’s ever been called for is believing in the Son and loving one another. That’s the heart of it. But when people start seeing themselves as spiritually superior, that’s exactly how they’ll act. They create this mindset where God loves us, but not them… we’re the chosen ones, they’re the outsiders.

That’s where religious manipulation starts. It shows up in churches, in groups, in conversations, and especially online. People use spiritual language to elevate themselves and push others down. They twist the gospel into a hierarchy where they sit at the top.

And it’s everywhere on the internet. People build little kingdoms in comment sections and group chats, acting like they’re the gatekeepers of heaven. They talk as if God sees them as better than everyone else, and they use that to justify judging, excluding, or shaming others.

But that’s not the message Jesus gave. That’s not the Spirit. That’s not love.

The moment someone believes they’re spiritually superior, they stop seeing people as brothers and sisters and start seeing them as threats, sinners, or problems to fix. And that’s exactly the kind of mindset Jesus confronted over and over.

 

[quietthinker]

It’s honestly damaging for a lot of people to even consider the idea that Jesus already came again, because it forces them to rethink their entire worldview. Most people look at the world and see nothing but darkness, chaos, and judgment. They’ve been taught that everyone is basically headed straight to hell unless they meet a list of requirements that Jesus Himself never gave.

And that’s the problem—if Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection weren’t enough, then what are we even saying about Him? If people need to be “perfect,” constantly ready, and obedient to whatever a man behind a pulpit demands, then the cross wasn’t sufficient. That’s the mindset a lot of churches push.

Some even turn it into a system: “You’re not right with God unless you come back to church.” “You can’t be part of the fold unless you pay what you owe.” “You missed your tithes? That’s $1,200—then you can return.”

That’s not the gospel. That’s control. That’s fear. That’s a spiritual debt‑collection agency pretending to speak for God.

And when someone accepts that Jesus actually fulfilled what He promised to that generation, it breaks that whole system. It removes the fear, the manipulation, the constant anxiety about being “ready enough.” It forces people to see that the kingdom is spiritual, not a future doomsday event they have to survive.

That’s why people fight this idea so hard. It doesn’t just challenge their theology—it challenges the entire structure they’ve built their religious life on.

And really, all that’s ever been called for is believing in the Son and loving one another. That’s the heart of it. But when people start seeing themselves as spiritually superior, that’s exactly how they’ll act. They create this mindset where God loves us, but not them… we’re the chosen ones, they’re the outsiders.

That’s where religious manipulation starts. It shows up in churches, in groups, in conversations, and especially online. People use spiritual language to elevate themselves and push others down. They twist the gospel into a hierarchy where they sit at the top.

And it’s everywhere on the internet. People build little kingdoms in comment sections and group chats, acting like they’re the gatekeepers of heaven. They talk as if God sees them as better than everyone else, and they use that to justify judging, excluding, or shaming others.

But that’s not the message Jesus gave. That’s not the Spirit. That’s not love.

The moment someone believes they’re spiritually superior, they stop seeing people as brothers and sisters and start seeing them as threats, sinners, or problems to fix. And that’s exactly the kind of mindset Jesus confronted over and over.

A lot of words Matthew but did you read and collate the scriptures I forwarded?

 

[MatthewG]

A lot of words Matthew but did you read and collate the scriptures I forwarded?

If you can’t read me I have no point. Don’t know what your deal is.

People are harmful to others. It sucks.



I’m not gonna change my mind and just looking at scripture did Jesus lie to them?

Tell me if matters?

Are those people you read in the Bible even real? To some it’s like a fairytales.

That’s what most people are left with @quietthinker


Answer that one buddy.

 

[MatthewG]

It’s honestly damaging for a lot of people to even consider the idea that Jesus already came again, because it forces them to rethink their entire worldview. Most people look at the world and see nothing but darkness, chaos, and judgment. They’ve been taught that everyone is basically headed straight to hell unless they meet a list of requirements that Jesus Himself never gave.

And that’s the problem—if Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection weren’t enough, then what are we even saying about Him? If people need to be “perfect,” constantly ready, and obedient to whatever a man behind a pulpit demands, then the cross wasn’t sufficient. That’s the mindset a lot of churches push.

Some even turn it into a system: “You’re not right with God unless you come back to church.” “You can’t be part of the fold unless you pay what you owe.” “You missed your tithes? That’s $1,200—then you can return.”

That’s not the gospel. That’s control. That’s fear. That’s a spiritual debt‑collection agency pretending to speak for God.

And when someone accepts that Jesus actually fulfilled what He promised to that generation, it breaks that whole system. It removes the fear, the manipulation, the constant anxiety about being “ready enough.” It forces people to see that the kingdom is spiritual, not a future doomsday event they have to survive.

That’s why people fight this idea so hard. It doesn’t just challenge their theology—it challenges the entire structure they’ve built their religious life on.

And really, all that’s ever been called for is believing in the Son and loving one another. That’s the heart of it. But when people start seeing themselves as spiritually superior, that’s exactly how they’ll act. They create this mindset where God loves us, but not them… we’re the chosen ones, they’re the outsiders.

That’s where religious manipulation starts. It shows up in churches, in groups, in conversations, and especially online. People use spiritual language to elevate themselves and push others down. They twist the gospel into a hierarchy where they sit at the top.

And it’s everywhere on the internet. People build little kingdoms in comment sections and group chats, acting like they’re the gatekeepers of heaven. They talk as if God sees them as better than everyone else, and they use that to justify judging, excluding, or shaming others.

But that’s not the message Jesus gave. That’s not the Spirit. That’s not love.

The moment someone believes they’re spiritually superior, they stop seeing people as brothers and sisters and start seeing them as threats, sinners, or problems to fix. And that’s exactly the kind of mindset Jesus confronted over and over.

This what I hate religion in all forms that manipulative people use to Gods name as something to become they whip around like God is their Slave.


Then use this method to enslave others who are undereducated and just sincerely trying to find God only to be misled by spiritual abusive people.

I’ll hate it forever.

Telling me I can’t hate something by use of scripture is irrelevant I don’t live by a books standards I live in faith towards God understanding what the spirit of Christ gives you.

There are still found many great principles in the Bible for building up the spiritual person but that doesn’t mean they need the Bible all the time…

It’s meant for understanding how God dealt with the people of Israel and that includes the return of Jesus and how we are able to live today by the spirit of Christ and love God and others.

 

[quietthinker]

If you can’t read me I have no point. Don’t know what your deal is.

People are harmful to others. It sucks.



I’m not gonna change my mind and just looking at scripture did Jesus lie to them?

Tell me if matters?

Are those people you read in the Bible even real? To some it’s like a fairytales.

That’s what most people are left with @quietthinker


Answer that one buddy.

Looks to me you don't want to engage. No problems, I'll leave it with you.

 

[MatthewG]

Looks to me you don't want to engage. No problems, I'll leave it with you.

Thanks man. I don’t know what you wanted to begin with. I don’t have to regurgitate anything it’s all here on this. lol. You should just come out and say hey Matthew you are wrong you prob be better off if that is your conclusion. No I don’t want to engage with anyone who may be coming in insincere to begin with.


I’m not part of the bride of Christ and I’m not waiting for Jesus to come back.


Id people made a living off this stuff well… good luck to ya. I’m straight up jealous and want your money but it’s not worth lying to people honestly.

In my purview.

 

[quietthinker]

Thanks man. I don’t know what you wanted to begin with. I don’t have to regurgitate anything it’s all here on this. lol. You should just come out and say hey Matthew you are wrong you prob be better off if that is your conclusion. No I don’t want to engage with anyone who may be coming in insincere to begin with.


I’m not part of the bride of Christ and I’m not waiting for Jesus to come back.


Id people made a living off this stuff well… good luck to ya. I’m straight up jealous and want your money but it’s not worth lying to people honestly.

In my purview.

Second guessing throws you right off track Matthew.

 

[MatthewG]

Second guessing throws you right off track Matthew.

Nah reality is suffering sir. Take care or just make your stuff be known not secretive.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I understand what he’s saying, but Paul in Ephesians was speaking directly to the believers of that time. People often treat every line as if it’s addressed to us in the exact same way, but Paul clearly wrote “to the saints who are in Ephesus” (Ephesians 1:1). Those letters had a real audience, real context, and a real covenant moment.

Looking at it this way, that would mean nothing in the Bible is for us today. The book of John was address to certain people of that time, so does that mean John 3:16 no longer applies today? Think about what you're saying here. What Paul taught in his letters was not intended for his audience only. Paul references the church in Ephesians 5:22-32. Not just the church in Ephesus. The body of Christ. There's no reason to think that Paul would not have written things that were applicable to the overall body of Christ to the Ephesians.