Collosians 1:15-16

[David in NJ]

Only rcc translating remained in the 1300,s of the NT when others translated.
Israel NEVER served a trinity God while serving the true God= 100% fact of life.

Israel ALWAYS served a Triune God - whether they knew it or not = just as they could not recognize their Messiah.

Genesis 1:26 - "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; = 3x

Exodus 3:14-15 - "And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
‘The YHWH Elohim(Plural) of your fathers:
the Elohenu(plural) of Abraham (Father)
the Elohenu(plural) of Isaac (only begotten of the Father = the Promised Son/Seed)
the Elohenu(plural) of Jacob (Ruach HaKodesh/Holy Spirit)
has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.

 

[Jack]

Like this you mean where Paul an appointee by Jesus himself, warns all about their false gods then names only the Father as God-1 Cor 8:5-6--- Same as Jesus telling everyone the one who sent him( Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- Simple english 10 year olds can understand, but not the blind guides.( 1 Cor 11:12-15) or those who listen to them.

You mean like this that you keep trying to TWIST the perfectly clear meaning?

John 20
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

 

[RR144]

Colossians 1:15 (NIV2011)
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

Check any good Interlinear

Colossians 1:15 Adj-GFS
GRK: ἀοράτου πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως
NAS: God, the firstborn of all creation.
KJV: God, the firstborn of every creature:
INT: invisible [the] firstborn of all creation

 

[Jack]

If Thomas is correct in your thinking, that would make Jesus a liar-He clearly teaches all-The one who sent him( Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-John 17:3--so either Jesus is wrong or you are.

Jesus taught Thomas. Of course Thomas was correct! Jesus didn't correct / rebuke Thomas.

 

[Jack]

Check any good Interlinear

Colossians 1:15 Adj-GFS
GRK: ἀοράτου πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως
NAS: God, the firstborn of all creation.
KJV: God, the firstborn of every creature:
INT: invisible [the] firstborn of all creation

Colossians 1:15-17 (NKJV)
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

 

[RR144]

Colossians 1:15-17 (NKJV)
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

Jack, that is a translation and does not reflect what the original Greek says. Look at an interlinear and see for yourself what the original language says.

Colossians 1:15 Adj-GFS
GRK:πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως
the firstborn of all creation.

 

[Jack]

Jack, that is a translation and does not reflect what the original Greek says. Look at an interlinear and see for yourself what the original language says.

Colossians 1:15 Adj-GFS
GRK:πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως
the firstborn of all creation.

So this is all wrong:

Colossians 1:15-17 (NKJV)
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

And you're right? Kingdom Hall?

 

[Jack]

Jack, that is a translation and does not reflect what the original Greek says. Look at an interlinear and see for yourself what the original language says.

Colossians 1:15 Adj-GFS
GRK:πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως
the firstborn of all creation.

Colossians 1:15-17 (NIV)
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

 

[David in NJ]

Jack, that is a translation and does not reflect what the original Greek says. Look at an interlinear and see for yourself what the original language says.

Colossians 1:15 Adj-GFS
GRK:πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως
the firstborn of all creation.

RR, it's time to wake up and taste the GLORY, then fall on your knees and worship the KING of kings and LORD of lords.

"And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist."

"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God."

Genesis 1:26 - "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; = 3x

Exodus 3:14-15 - "And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
‘The YHWH Elohim(Plural) of your fathers:
the Elohenu(plural) of Abraham (Father)
the Elohenu(plural) of Isaac (only begotten of the Father = the Promised Son/Seed)
the Elohenu(plural) of Jacob (Ruach HaKodesh/Holy Spirit)
has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.


"the firstborn over all of creation" is only speaking of His Resurrection = being the FIRST to commit no sin, rise from the dead and ascend to where HE was before HE came to earth.

the WORD became flesh so that we might SEE God............and God fulfilled His Own Prophecy beginning in Genesis.

 

[RR144]

Colossians 1:15-17 (NIV)
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Still another translation, but I'll play your game:

KJ21 - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.​

ASV - who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;​

AMP - He is the exact living image [the essential manifestation] of the unseen God [the visible representation of the invisible], the firstborn [the preeminent one, the sovereign, and the originator] of all creation.​

AMPC- [Now] He is the exact likeness of the unseen God [the visible representation of the invisible]; He is the Firstborn of all creation.​

BRG - Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:​

DARBY - who is image of the invisible God, firstborn of all creation;​

DLNT - ... Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation,​

DRA - Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:​

ESV - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

ESVUK - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

GW - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
JUB - who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature;​

KJV - Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:​

AKJV - who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:​

LSB - Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

MEV - He is the image of the invisible God and the firstborn of every creature.​

NOG - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

NABRE - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

NASB - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation:​

NASB1995 - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

NCB - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

NRSVA - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;​

NRSVACE - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;​

NRSVCE - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;​

NRSVUE - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation,​

NTE - He is the image of God, the invisible one, the firstborn of all creation.​

RSV - He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation;​

RSVCE - He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation;​

TLV - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

VOICE - He is the exact image of the invisible God, the firstborn of creation, the eternal.​

WEB - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

YLT - who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation,​

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[Jack]

Still another translation, but I'll play your game:

KJ21 - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.​

ASV - who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;​

AMP - He is the exact living image [the essential manifestation] of the unseen God [the visible representation of the invisible], the firstborn [the preeminent one, the sovereign, and the originator] of all creation.​

AMPC- [Now] He is the exact likeness of the unseen God [the visible representation of the invisible]; He is the Firstborn of all creation.​

BRG - Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:​

DARBY - who is image of the invisible God, firstborn of all creation;​

DLNT - ... Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation,​

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DRA - Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:​

ESV - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

ESVUK - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

GW - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

JUB - who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature;​

KJV - Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:​

AKJV - who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:​

LSB - Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

MEV - He is the image of the invisible God and the firstborn of every creature.​

NOG - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

NABRE - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

NASB - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation:​

NASB1995 - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

NCB - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

NRSVA - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;​

NRSVACE - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;​

NRSVCE - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;​

NRSVUE - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation,​

NTE - He is the image of God, the invisible one, the firstborn of all creation.​

RSV - He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation;​

RSVCE - He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation;​

TLV - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

VOICE - He is the exact image of the invisible God, the firstborn of creation, the eternal.​

WEB - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

YLT - who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation,​

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Colossians 1:15-17 (ASV)
15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;
17 and he is before all things, and in him all things consist.

Want more?

 

[Jack]

Colossians 1:16-17 (AMP)
16 For it was in Him that all things were created, in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen, whether thrones, dominions, rulers, or authorities; all things were created and exist through Him [by His service, intervention] and in and for Him.
17 And He Himself existed before all things, and in Him all things consist (cohere, are held together).

 

[Jack]

Colossians 1:15-17 (Darby)
15 who is image of the invisible God, firstborn of all creation;
16 because by him were created all things, the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or principalities, or authorities: all things have been created by him and for him.
17 And he is before all, and all things subsist together by him.

 

[Jack]

Colossians 1:15-17 (ESV)
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.
17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

 

[Jack]

Colossians 1:15-17 (GW)
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 He created all things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible. Whether they are kings or lords, rulers or powers— everything has been created through him and for him.
17 He existed before everything and holds everything together.

See what you find when you don't take it out of context? Jesus is God the Creator! I don't know of any translation that doesn't tell us that Jesus is God!

 

[RR144]

RR, it's time to wake up and taste the GLORY, then fall on your knees and worship the KING of kings and LORD of lords.

I do, everyday.

"And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist."

That's true. Jesus as the Word, the Logos, created all things, everything was made through him and for him. What's your point?

"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God."

the actual Greek is In the beginning was Word, and the Word was with THE God and the Word was God. Two distinct individuals, HO THEOS (YHWH) and God (LOGOS), funny thing about this word THEOS, it's attributed to man and to Satan.

Genesis 1:26 - "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; = 3x

3 where?

Exodus 3:14-15 - "And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
‘The YHWH Elohim(Plural) of your fathers:
the Elohenu(plural) of Abraham (Father)
the Elohenu(plural) of Isaac (only begotten of the Father = the Promised Son/Seed)
the Elohenu(plural) of Jacob (Ruach HaKodesh/Holy Spirit)
has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.

and your point is?

"the firstborn over all of creation" is only speaking of His Resurrection = being the FIRST to commit no sin, rise from the dead and ascend to where HE was before HE came to earth.

It says of ALL CREATION, so that would take us to the very beginning of creation, before there was nothing. There is nothing in this verse to suggest this is regarding his resurrection.

the WORD became flesh so that we might SEE God............and God fulfilled His Own Prophecy beginning in Genesis.

Yes, because he is the image of the invisible God, (Col. 1:15)

 

[RR144]

Colossians 1:15-17 (ASV)
15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;
17 and he is before all things, and in him all things consist.

Want more?

Jack, you just proved my point, he is the first born of all creation. Thank you!

 

[Jack]

Jack, you just proved my point, he is the first born of all creation. Thank you!

If you were really interested you would have read the entire context. Jesus is the Creator! You can't pick a tiny phrase out of all that. You really sound like a JW! You're trying to prove YOUR beliefs, not Scripture.

 

[David in NJ]

I do, everyday.

That's true. Jesus as the Word, the Logos, created all things, everything was made through him and for him. What's your point?

the actual Greek is In the beginning was Word, and the Word was with THE God and the Word was God. Two distinct individuals, HO THEOS (YHWH) and God (LOGOS), funny thing about this word THEOS, it's attributed to man and to Satan.

3 where?

and your point is?

It says of ALL CREATION, so that would take us to the very beginning of creation, before there was nothing. There is nothing in this verse to suggest this is regarding his resurrection.

Yes, because he is the image of the invisible God, (Col. 1:15)

eye yie yie

"3 where?" = try counting

"and your point is?" = ELOHIM made the POINT = "for ALL Generations" = "forever"

"There is nothing to suggest this is regarding His Resurrection" = really, i mean REALLY RR!

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

 

[Jack]

Yes, because he is the image of the invisible God, (Col. 1:15)

Amen!
John 14 He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?