You shall know them by their fruits, and your fruit and vehement hatred for brothers in Christ is showing in your responses.... I am praying for you...
God Bless.
You just keep right on praying, Legalist.
You need the practice.
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You shall know them by their fruits, and your fruit and vehement hatred for brothers in Christ is showing in your responses.... I am praying for you...
God Bless.
How is it then that you do not recognize the doctrine of assurance of salvation as Preached by mainline Baptists and instead label it as "conditional security"
Let me answer this with a quote from Tozer:
“The reason why many are still troubled, still seeking, still making little forward progress is because they haven’t yet come to the end of themselves. We’re still trying to give orders, and interfering with God’s work within us.”
This is false. This is what you attacked and accused @Gideons300 of over and over again on the other Forum.Ive never used the term "conditional security" in my life.
So, you are a liar.
And just so you know.
I teach Eternal Security, as found in Pauline Theology.
Help is found in every case in trusting Jesus, what He did on the cross, that this means we are fully and truly reconciled to Him, and knowledge - faith - liberates us from the after-effects of the flesh, which now has no power over us.
No I did not, but, that's something different than what we are talking about.Question in response: when you were first born again did you immediately become an elder in the church?
I call it progressive sanctification
We are all on that journey at different stages of it, and to say you are not is to say you are in need of nothing which is Laodicean complacency,
For the record what I teach is eternal security as well, Just not as a doctrine that is to be believed but as something we must arrive at through Christian life.
No I did not, but, that's something different than what we are talking about.
My question in response. When you are born again, how long does that process take? Being beborn?
Yes, that's right, as if we were increasing in holiness. And you support that concept with your blanketing everyone with your Laodicean accusation, and with you're idea that we are not able to actually achieve unity with each other right now, because we lack the Holy Spirit, and are waiting for the end times outpouring.
Unity comes with understanding we are all on different places on this journey, In Negating a teaching such as conditional security you are castigating out a whole segment who hold to this teaching despite them having a relationship with Christ. Are you like @Behold ableto cast out the whole of the Methodist church and the believers therein because they hold to this. What I am saying is that this is an essential step in our Christian journey to overcome doubt of our eternal security, to reach that point of being totally led by the Spirit and not living in Partial belief having a hand on our controls with Christ merely as the copilot.
I believe this term "progressive sanctification" is a misnomer, and misrepresents what is true, which is that in Christ we are sanctified already. Our new creation is holy and righteous.
We are all in varying stages of renewing our minds. That would be the Scriptural way to talk about this.
Before, you called me Laodicean for saying I am complete in Christ. Do you still think that way? We have been given all we need for life and godliness through His promises. Do you believe that is true?
Do you believe that you can overcome your flesh and this world by trusting in Jesus to make it so in you?
You say insult. I simply say untrue. You base this whole big thing on your idea that EVERYONE is "Laodicean".So for me this is no insult
Did you receive part of Jesus into you? Were you partly reconciled? Was only a part of you filled with a part of the Holy Spirit? We're you only partly reborn? Somewhat justified? A little bit new? Now some of you is from God? Or are all things now of God? All things.So here you have a problem with your theology, if you say we have all we need when we are born again,
When you are born again, no, you are not born and Elder. Or, "mature" in your Christian walk.When You are born again you are not immediately born as an elder
And of course I've asserted this the whole time! Your painting me otherwise is not right.but there is a maturation and growth process Spiritually.
Did you receive part of Jesus into you? Were you partly reconciled? Was only a part of you filled with a part of the Holy Spirit? We're you only partly reborn? Somewhat justified? A little bit new? Now some of you is from God? Or are all things now of God? All things.
We are complete in Him. We just need to begin to believe it, and live accordingly.
You are confusing spiritual growth with sanctification.
Sanctification is impossible of ourselves.
We can never be sanctified unless God does it.
Self effort cant do a few things.
1.) save you
2.) keep you saved
3.) Justify you.
4.) sanctify you.
This is the reason that 1 Corinthians 1:30 in a real bible, tells you that Jesus is your Sanctification.
Now, there are cultish denominations that try to sanctify themselves by works or by teaching all sorts of fake spirituality ideas regarding a "2nd in-filling" and "entire sanctification".
Run from those.
I hear people talk about "positional righteousness", that we are declared righteous, that God sees us as righteous. I've heard the expression that "God looks at us through Jesus colored glasses", like that.Sorry, but spiritual growth is growing sanctification.
Jesus is my sanctification, and He is now making me conformed to His image.
This is what is known as positional and experiential truth.
In my posiiton before God I am 100% sanctified.
In my experience before God I am growing into what god has already declared me and sees me--100% sanctified. That is in a real bible BTW.
And I do not teach sanctification by works- that is a false assumption on your part! I preach growing sanctification in our works because we are already fully sanctified!
People who do not recognize that we hold a position before god that does not match our experience come to very faulty conclusions in the Scriptures.
I hear people talk about "positional righteousness", that we are declared righteous, that God sees us as righteous. I've heard the expression that "God looks at us through Jesus colored glasses", like that.
My understanding is that we've actually been recreated a being who, being born from God as our recreation, we share His Godly nature, and are righteous in our being.
But that after living fleshy lives, that's what we know, so we have to learn how to think the new way, so we live our new creation.
Not that there is anything 'pretend' about us, as if, we are unrighteous, but God pretends we are, until we actually are. I more see it as, we don't realize we are, but as we do, we live that way, because we live according to what we believe true.
Much love!
I like that!I teach my classes with a stick figure in a square. I say it is a block of marble. People see the block of marble slowly being chipped away to become a statue, inn various stages of incompletion. the sculptor sees the perfect stature and is removing th epieces of marble that do not belong.
In my posiiton before God I am 100% sanctified.
In my experience before God I am growing into what god has already declared me and sees me--100% sanctified.
I edited your post because you did manage to say something correct, but not in the way you think.
See, your Sanctification is God created.
We can't be more sanctified then to be the "righteousness of God, in Christ".
And then, we live our lives, within this Sanctification, sinless, learning how to "work our out Salvation".
The process of learning how to "work out your salvation", is = DISCIPLESHIP.