God "CREATED" -- What it actually means.

[VictoryinJesus]

In other words...
God, by mere signs and tokens (parables) has/is demonstrating His "self" by revelations.

Isaiah 45:8 Lexicon: "Drip down, O heavens, from above, And let the clouds pour down righteousness; Let the earth open up and salvation bear fruit, And righteousness spring up with it. I, the LORD, have created it.

“Let righteousness spring up with it”…to me that verse was fulfilled when Jesus Christ opened his mouth and spoke in parables. It even helps with God saying He creates Light and dark…

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I agree with all this. But what does it have to do with God creating or making (for He did not speak them into existence but formed them) to be immortal?

“let there be light”
What of when He told His discipline they didn’t understand His sayings, asking them “is your heart still hard?” Yet, telling them they would understand the words He spoke to them and He would speak no more in parables to them but show them plainly the Father?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It means that God has indeed hidden a treasure in this field, and there is no reward for speaking against those who dig to find it--but just the opposite: To those who have, more shall be given. Meaning, there is indeed a reward for those who find it and hold it dear as being greater than every other thing that life--especially in the world--has to offer.

and how do you know when you find these supposed treasures, it is from God? thousands just like you have claimed the same thing and have been proven false teachers. why do you think you are different/

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No...that is not biblical.

What was written in the Bible, does not elaborate "all truth", all that is to be written in our hearts, nor does it fulfill all the books that could be written:

John 21:25
And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.​

And if any "revelation" contradicts or alters the written inspired preserved Word of God- it is to be resisted and fought against at all costs.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No...the gauge of how many ways a person could be born is not the Jews, but Jesus, who listed only two ways.

As for "no more scriptures to be written", it is like the Spirit, where what is not seen is greater than what is seen.

But you are completely off it you measure all that God is by the limits of the Bible. Is the Bible infinite? No--but God is, and all that God is He has promised to give to those who love Him according to His purpose--which “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” Which--no--is not all in the Bible.

There is more.

but you seem to be ignorant that in the Jewish culture of the day, Nicodemus knew of six ways! and there is only one way to be born again! to be born of the spirit.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

“let there be light”
What of when He told His discipline they didn’t understand His sayings, asking them “is your heart still hard?” Yet, telling them they would understand the words He spoke to them and He would speak no more in parables to them but show them plainly the Father?

That was concerning understanding the meaning of the parables- no that the bible had a secret code. That is the kabalistic way

 

[ScottA]

Those words are Jesus' words sir, and because most of us believed this system would have came to it's conclusion some yrs back, some of the bride of Christ left the faith. I personally thought the end would have came before 1984 because of the words of Ps 90:10. I was wrong! One of my sisters felt it would go on much longer because of what you said, my master is delaying. It has to be near as that generation is quite old now, but clearly it would appear so late that some of Jesus' anointed sheep would leave because it appeared, and yes only appears to be delayed. When Jesus states something, it will happen sir, and not on our time table.

Yes, not our time table. But you are considering the end differently than it is foretold: "as the days of Noah."

Other than the increase of knowledge, the end includes no fanfare, no last main event finale, as many believe, but rather the waters of the Spirit slowly rising. That main event has long since passed, with the End, whom is Christ.

 

[bbyrd009]

Is this real hehe, yup God is a humorous creator why a chrome plated beetle from Costa Rica I have no idea lol.
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[ScottA]

Isaiah 45:8 Lexicon: "Drip down, O heavens, from above, And let the clouds pour down righteousness; Let the earth open up and salvation bear fruit, And righteousness spring up with it. I, the LORD, have created it.

“Let righteousness spring up with it”…to me that verse was fulfilled when Jesus Christ opened his mouth and spoke in parables. It even helps with God saying He creates Light and dark…

Indeed...Christ as "firstfruits" was and is the Beginning of the harvest of righteousness and salvation springing forth. Hallelujah!

 

[ScottA]

and how do you know when you find these supposed treasures, it is from God? thousands just like you have claimed the same thing and have been proven false teachers. why do you think you are different/

There is but One treasure, which is the salvation and rescue of Christ, and one knows it because the things of this world grow strangely dim.

The thousands do not make void the One, nor are they the same.

As for being different, God knows, and I have said nothing that He did not give me. Those who hear His voice will hear, while many sleep...just as it was that night before Christ was crucified and did pray. This is the third time.

 

[ScottA]

And if any "revelation" contradicts or alters the written inspired preserved Word of God- it is to be resisted and fought against at all costs.

Absolutely!

However, a word of caution--not mine, but just as it is written: During the days of Christ the Priests and Elders, the Scribes and Pharisees and those following their discipline, knowing the scriptures...did not know the truth.

 

[ScottA]

but you seem to be ignorant that in the Jewish culture of the day, Nicodemus knew of six ways! and there is only one way to be born again! to be born of the spirit.

What is your point? Is it not enough that Nicodemus, a teacher of Israel, was wrong and did not understand?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There is but One treasure, which is the salvation and rescue of Christ, and one knows it because the things of this world grow strangely dim.

The thousands do not make void the One, nor are they the same.

As for being different, God knows, and I have said nothing that He did not give me. Those who hear His voice will hear, while many sleep...just as it was that night before Christ was crucified and did pray. This is the third time.

And this hyper spiritual answer means what?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Absolutely!

However, a word of caution--not mine, but just as it is written: During the days of Christ the Priests and Elders, the Scribes and Pharisees and those following their discipline, knowing the scriptures...did not know the truth.

Well I do because I have been redeemed and made a new creature by the indwelling of the Holy spirit. they knew the Scriptures but did not understand. but some did. there was no secret revelation to be found in the plain words of Scripture.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What is your point? Is it not enough that Nicodemus, a teacher of Israel, was wrong and did not understand?

Because being born of the Spirit was a brand new teaching. that is why Nicodemus did not understand.

 

[ScottA]

And this hyper spiritual answer means what?

Well I do because I have been redeemed and made a new creature by the indwelling of the Holy spirit. they knew the Scriptures but did not understand. but some did. there was no secret revelation to be found in the plain words of Scripture.

Because being born of the Spirit was a brand new teaching. that is why Nicodemus did not understand.

What I have been telling you is in complete accord with the scriptures and is the result of believing the lie that "My Master delays His coming" causing strong delusion. Which is not a loss of salvation, but what Jesus warned would result in being, "cut in two and appointed their portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Which is to say, He would leave them to their flesh until it passes, not to fully receive the Spirit until they are raised up the last day. As He also said: “Take heed what you hear. With the same measure you use, it will be measured to you; and to you who hear, more will be given."

As for "secret revelation"...the track record throughout the complete history of God's people has been and is a failure to see and hear. Even Jesus was a complete surprise, not because He was not written of in the scriptures, but because most expect something different...and still do. Among the redeemed even having the Holy Spirit, most are blind by unbelief and lack of faith, which Jesus addressed and foretold, as did Peter and Paul. All of which is now a [biblical] reality.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

That was concerning understanding the meaning of the parables- no that the bible had a secret code. That is the kabalistic way

“That was concerning the meaning of the parables” agree. Matthew 13:35 [this was] to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet: I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the foundation of the world.
Point was concerning Isaiah 45:8 “let the earth open up and bear fruit, And righteousness spring up with it. I, the LORD have created it.

what stands out to me is, not only let the earth open (a body was prepared for Him) and bear fruit ….but also “And righteousness spring up with it.” There are parables about the tares and the wheat springing up together. What is darkness? Why did He say My words are truth, They are Life.” Was He planting seeds of Life that would grow and bear fruit? Why…when one hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart?

What of he who has no firm root in himself but is [only temporary], falls away.

Compare Matthew 13:35 “I will utter things hidden since the foundation of the world.
Mark 4:22 For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.

Point is maybe we get too focus on that he spoke in parables so seeing they would not see, and hearing they would not hear —“I create darkness and calamity”??
But He also Creates Light; telling them, they would remember what He said and would bring forth fruit…even going as far as saying He had given them the words, His Father had given to Him to give.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

“That was concerning the meaning of the parables” agree. Matthew 13:35 [this was] to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet: I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the foundation of the world.
Point was concerning Isaiah 45:8 “let the earth open up and bear fruit, And righteousness spring up with it. I, the LORD have created it.

what stands out to me is, not only let the earth open (a body was prepared for Him) and bear fruit ….but also “And righteousness spring up with it.” There are parables about the tares and the wheat springing up together. What is darkness? Why did He say My words are truth, They are Life.” Was He planting seeds of Life that would grow and bear fruit? Why…when one hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart?

What of he who has no firm root in himself but is [only temporary], falls away.

Compare Matthew 13:35 “I will utter things hidden since the foundation of the world.
Mark 4:22 For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.

Point is maybe we get too focus on that he spoke in parables so seeing they would not see, and hearing they would not hear —“I create darkness and calamity”??
But He also Creates Light; telling them, they would remember what He said and would bring forth fruit…even going as far as saying He had given them the words, His Father had given to Him to give.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Psalm 85:11-13 Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven. [12] Yea, the Lord shall give that which is good; and our land shall yield her increase. [13] Righteousness shall go before him; and shall set us in the way of his steps.

 

[Taken]

You speak lots of words but say little.
You are adding symbolism (signs and parables) where they don't belong.
You brought up the word "created" and then went off.
Let's try this. Take the first sentence of the Bible and as simply as you can put it, what does it mean? Is it to be taken literally or symbolically? Did He create the universe ( in the popular sense of what we all understand created means) or not?
That first sentence is not a parable or a sign. The message to us is simple, God literally made everything!

@ScottA was bring up the concept of demonstrating. Not adding symbolism, but rather going too deep for this forum.

Scott said “created”.
You said “made”, and buffered that with “literally”, and called it simple.

Fact is “created” and “made” Are two different things.
And “literal” does not foster the idea of simple.

Some things are “created”. Non-existant, Then a thing exists, By Gods Word SPEAKING.

Some “created” things, ARE then “Made” to “appear” as other things.
The Earth IS Dry Land.
Where WAS “any” Land, before it was DRY?
If there was “WET” Land, where did the Water come from?
We could have a very long discussion about such things.

We could get into one mysterious thing that is mentioned straight off in Scripture....WATER. Created? Made? Nothing says. Another long discussion could be had about water.

And LIGHT, another interesting topic.

Just saying, Scott is not adding anything. People discuss Godly things on all levels. People are at all different levels of hearing, believing, studying, understanding.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

@ScottA was bring up the concept of demonstrating. Not adding symbolism, but rather going too deep for this forum.

Scott said “created”.
You said “made”, and buffered that with “literally”, and called it simple.

Fact is “created” and “made” Are two different things.
And “literal” does not foster the idea of simple.

Some things are “created”. Non-existant, Then a thing exists, By Gods Word SPEAKING.

Some “created” things, ARE then “Made” to “appear” as other things.
The Earth IS Dry Land.
Where WAS “any” Land, before it was DRY?
If there was “WET” Land, where did the Water come from?
We could have a very long discussion about such things.

We could get into one mysterious thing that is mentioned straight off in Scripture....WATER. Created? Made? Nothing says. Another long discussion could be had about water.

And LIGHT, another interesting topic.

Just saying, Scott is not adding anything. People discuss Godly things on all levels. People are at all different levels of hearing, believing, studying, understanding.

Glory to God,
Taken

As I said, I do not discern any symbolism in the first two chapters of the Bible. The Creation account is to be understood literally, and that God created the universe. It is not some subjective illusion.
This is one of life's biggest questions? How did this universe and specifically life happen. A Supreme Being created everything and everything that is good comes from the Creator.
Einstein didn't believe in a personal God nor life after death. He also thought that our faith in the God of the Bible was childish and naive. And I think Scott (since he wrote a book about him), combines some of Einstein's pantheistic view and life is an illusion with Christianity.