God "CREATED" -- What it actually means.

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

not omnipresence.

As the God man- Jesus could only occupy one place at one time. Now je3sus is in heaven preparing a place for us and interceding for us. He will return as is written in Rev. 19 As the Glorifed God-man.

Matthew 18:20, is while Jesus was on earth, as God-Man, this is what he tells His Disciples

"For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there among them"

εἰμι, is the ever present tense. so, if the 12 Disciples were gathered in different locations in two's, Jesus is with them in the 5 locations!

As also in John 1:48, "Nathanael said to Him, “How do You know me?” Jesus answered and said to him, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.”

As Matthew Poole rightly says:

"it is enough that by his telling this to him, he let him know that he saw him, though he was not in his view, and so was omnipresent and omniscient"

Jesus could never cease to be Almighty God, and as Almighty God, retained all His Divine Attributes. His "Body" could not be in two places at the same time, but as God is Spirit, and He is God, He can be. Even today.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

as God-Man, is Jesus fully God, or partly?

Jesus is true God and True man. But as Scripture says He is limited by space time as He occupies a glorified physical body. God the Father is seated on the throne of heaven, and the Holy Spiirit is God who is omnipresent. It is there in Scripture.

Even you do not believe that God is everywhere present. If you did you would be a pan-entheist.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Matthew 18:20, is while Jesus was on earth, as God-Man, this is what he tells His Disciples

"For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there among them"

εἰμι, is the ever present tense. so, if the 12 Disciples were gathered in different locations in two's, Jesus is with them in the 5 locations!

As also in John 1:48, "Nathanael said to Him, “How do You know me?” Jesus answered and said to him, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.”

As Matthew Poole rightly says:

"it is enough that by his telling this to him, he let him know that he saw him, though he was not in his view, and so was omnipresent and omniscient"

Jesus could never cease to be Almighty God, and as Almighty God, retained all His Divine Attributes. His "Body" could not be in two places at the same time, but as God is Spirit, and He is God, He can be. Even today.

Through the agency of the Holy Spirit here is there. If you see the Father, you see the son and see the spirit. they are all equaklly God but not different entities of people.

The fact that jesus can see all does not mean He was there. REmember Phil. 2 He emptied himself and limited His presence to His mortal body.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Through the agency of the Holy Spirit here is there. If you see the Father, you see the son and see the spirit. they are all equaklly God but not different entities of people.

The fact that jesus can see all does not mean He was there. REmember Phil. 2 He emptied himself and limited His presence to His mortal body.

Jesus Christ in His Incarnate, "limited" Person, could at the same time say that He is to be Honoured in the same way as the Father is (John 5:23), and then say in 14:28, that the Father was "greater" than He. This is the paradox of being the eternal God, and then becoming the "God-Man". As I said, Jesus Christ could never cease to be YHWH, even during His time on earth. He retained all the Attributes of absolute Deity.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus Christ in His Incarnate, "limited" Person, could at the same time say that He is to be Honoured in the same way as the Father is (John 5:23), and then say in 14:28, that the Father was "greater" than He. This is the paradox of being the eternal God, and then becoming the "God-Man". As I said, Jesus Christ could never cease to be YHWH, even during His time on earth. He retained all the Attributes of absolute Deity.

Yes he did keep absolute deity. But ewven within the deity there is order and purpose.

The trinity is all equally god. but the Father is above the Son who is above the Spirit and there is no disharmony in that.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Yes he did keep absolute deity. But ewven within the deity there is order and purpose.

The trinity is all equally god. but the Father is above the Son who is above the Spirit and there is no disharmony in that.

In the Eternal Godhead, there is no Person Who is higher or lower then the other. The Three Persons are coequal, coeternal and coessential. They are equally called YHWH in the Bible, and there can be no difference in the use of this Name

 

[Taken]

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
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created H1254 H853

The KJV translates Strong's H1254 in the following manner: create

And here's the kicker-- H853 contracted from H226 in the demonstrative sense of entity; properly, self:

The KJV translates Strong's H226 in the following manner: sign(s) (60x), token(s) (14x), ensign(s) (2x), miracles (2x), mark (1x).
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In other words...

God, by mere signs and tokens (parables) has/is demonstrating His "self" by revelations.
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The world is not the "reality" that it would appear to be.

I will open my mouth in a parable;
I will utter dark sayings of old,
3 Which we have heard and known,
And our fathers have told us. Psalm 78:2-3​

You know that is going to be too deep for more than a few...

 

[quietthinker]

You know that is going to be too deep for more than a few...

It's way over the top of my head. Should I consult Samuel?

 

[Taken]

It's way over the top of my head. Should I consult Samuel?

Some living routinely teach and practice consulting with the dead.
Not my advice. Not Scriptural advice.

1 Samuel
[1] And Samuel died; and all the Israelites were gathered together, and lamented him, and buried him in his house at Ramah. And David arose, and went down to the wilderness of Paran.

Isa 8
[19] And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

 

[quietthinker]

Some living routinely teach and practice consulting with the dead.
Not my advice. Not Scriptural advice.

1 Samuel
[1] And Samuel died; and all the Israelites were gathered together, and lamented him, and buried him in his house at Ramah. And David arose, and went down to the wilderness of Paran.

Isa 8
[19] And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Consider the context of post #168 Taken. Convoluted humour..... who can appreciate?

 

[Taken]

Consider the context of post #168 Taken. Convoluted humour..... who can appreciate?

Yes you expressed humor. Okay.

 

[quietthinker]

Post #168 was not humor.

lol....I suppose this is confirmation of missing it :)

 

[Taken]

lol....I suppose this is confirmation of missing it :)

Lol...already corrected error identifying post #168, instead of #167.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

In the Eternal Godhead, there is no Person Who is higher or lower then the other. The Three Persons are coequal, coeternal and coessential. They are equally called YHWH in the Bible, and there can be no difference in the use of this Name

That is not what the bible teaches.

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
King James Version

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

John 10:29
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Galatians 1:4
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

Ephesians 1:17
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Ephesians 5:20
Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Thisa does not negate that jesus and the Spirit are equally divine (God) in their essence, but it shows an order even in the trinity.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

That is not what the bible teaches.

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
King James Version

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

John 10:29
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Galatians 1:4
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

Ephesians 1:17
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Ephesians 5:20
Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Thisa does not negate that jesus and the Spirit are equally divine (God) in their essence, but it shows an order even in the trinity.

There is a big difference between Jesus Christ as the Eternal God, and Jesus Christ post Incarnation, during which time He humbled Himself, and became obedient to the Father. This is clear from passages like John 17:5; Philippians 2:5-11; and Hebrews 2:9. The passage you quote from 1 Corinthians 15, is not the future eternal Reign, but till the end of this age.

Revelation 11:15

“Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”

Note the end, “He shall Reign”, which in the Greek is, “βασιλευσει”, which is in the singular number. It can refer either, to “His Christ (τοῦ Χριστοῦ αὐτοῦ)”, or, to “our Lord and of His Christ (τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν καὶ τοῦ Χριστοῦ αὐτοῦ)”. It is clear from the Book of Revelation that the latter is the correct way to understand this verse. This is clear that BOTH The Father and Jesus Christ will Reign Eternally Forever.

In chapter 22, verse 1, 3: “And he showed me a river of water of life, bright as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb...No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His servants will Serve Him”.

Here we have, “του θρονου του θεου και του αρνιου (the throne of God and of the Lamb)”, clearly Two distinct Persons, “του θεου, του αρνιου”, but, “του θρονου” (the throne), is in the singular number. Again in verse 3 we have the same in the Greek, “του θρονου του θεου και του αρνιου”, and the singular “του θρονου”. “His (αυτου, masc, sing) servants, shall Worship Him (αυτω, masc, sing). Not only the Father and Jesus Christ are JOINT in their Rule, but they are Served, and Worshipped TOGETHER, as in 5:14.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There is a big difference between Jesus Christ as the Eternal God, and Jesus Christ post Incarnation, during which time He humbled Himself, and became obedient to the Father. This is clear from passages like John 17:5; Philippians 2:5-11; and Hebrews 2:9. The passage you quote from 1 Corinthians 15, is not the future eternal Reign, but till the end of this age.

No it is the eternal reign. Death is destroyed right before eternity takes over time in Rev. 20.

Revelation 20:11-15
King James Version

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Death is destroyed after the physical universe is done away with! Then after death is destroyed- the new heaven and new earth happen.

1 Corinthians 15:24-28
King James Version

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

According to you, if Jesus reigns forever- then He does not subject Himself to His Father and God may not be all in all. It is an either/or scenario you have created by your hypothesis.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

No it is the eternal reign. Death is destroyed right before eternity takes over time in Rev. 20.

Revelation 20:11-15
King James Version

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Death is destroyed after the physical universe is done away with! Then after death is destroyed- the new heaven and new earth happen.

1 Corinthians 15:24-28
King James Version

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

According to you, if Jesus reigns forever- then He does not subject Himself to His Father and God may not be all in all. It is an either/or scenario you have created by your hypothesis.

John 5:22 says that it is ONLY Jesus Christ Who is the Ultimate Judge, which means it is Jesus in Revelation 20

Jesus Christ is YHWH, as the Father and Holy Spirit are YHWH, which means there is NO "subordination" of ANY KIND in the Eternal Godhead. This is IMPOSSIBLE

1 Corinthians 15:24-28 And the Eternal Reign of Jesus Christ

 

[quietthinker]

John 5:22 says that it is ONLY Jesus Christ Who is the Ultimate Judge, which means it is Jesus in Revelation 20

Jesus Christ is YHWH, as the Father and Holy Spirit are YHWH, which means there is NO "subordination" of ANY KIND in the Eternal Godhead. This is IMPOSSIBLE

I couldn't handle a yelling Sergeant anyway.....well not for eternity!

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

I couldn't handle a yelling Sergeant anyway.....well not for eternity!

I use CAPS to EMPHASIZE! you use UNDERLINING

 

[quietthinker]

I use CAPS to EMPHASIZE! you use UNDERLINING

hmmmm, you say potato I say potarto, you say tomato I say tomarto :