God "CREATED" -- What it actually means.

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Jesus in His glorified human body is not omnipresent either!

I don't think that you really understand the Deity of Jesus Christ, you are trying to use human illogic to understand this.

 

[ChristisGod]

I put this together on the 2 natures in Christ that might be helpful for some .


Hypostatic Union

1. Jesus is a person. (1 Tim 2:5)

2. Jesus, the Person, has two natures- Divine and human (John 1:1, 14, 1 Timothy 3:16): Divine and human. This is the Hypostatic Union.( Col 2:9, Heb 1:3,2:16)

3. The Communicatio Idiomatum (Communication of the Properties) states that the attributes of His Divine nature and human nature are both ascribed to the one Person of Jesus. So Jesus can exhibit attributes of Divinity (Omnipresence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, . John 2:23, 3:13, 8:58, He was prayed to in Acts 7:59, John 14:13, He was is worshiped Matt 2:2:11, Rev 5:13-14) and at the same time exhibit attributes of His humanity( He was tempted, ate, prayed,wept, grew in wisdom and stature,was anointed,was baptized, the Father was greater, didn’t know the day or the hour of His Return, He cried My God my God why has Thou forsaken Me, He died etc.). The communicatio idiomatum does not mean that any part of the Divine nature was communicated to the human nature.


4. The Man(anthropos) Jesus is what we perceive (if we were there 2000 years ago in Israel) and through the Man we encounter the Divine nature (Jesus knowing all things, is on earth while in heaven, answers prayer, forgiving sins, etc.).

5. The Person of Jesus will always be both Divine and human. (John 1:1,14,20:28, 1 John 5:20, 1 Timothy 2:5) Those who deny this fact are the spirit of antichrist. (1 John 4:1-4,2 John 7)

6. The Divine Nature is within the Trinity.(Father, Son and Holy Spirit)

7. Since the Person of Jesus claims the attributes of Divinity(John 3:13,8:58,Matthew 9:2,12:8), then the Person of Jesus is a member of the Trinity.( John 14-16, Math 28:19)

Anything said of either of Christ's two natures applies to the one Person of Christ, so that is how it is said that Christ died on the cross. The term "hypostatic union" refers to the two natures united in the one Person, so anything said of those two natures in the one Person applies to the whole Person. So we see that the Person of Christ is both God and man. The phrase hypostatic union was adopted by the fifth general council at Constantinople, 533 AD. That council declared that the union of two natures is real (against Arius), not a mere indwelling of God in a man (against Nestorius), with a rational soul (against Apollinaris), and that in Christ’s Divine nature remains unchanged (against Eutyches).

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I don't think that you really understand the Deity of Jesus Christ, you are trying to use human illogic to understand this.

No I understand the Deity of Jesus very well! He is absolute God with His Father. But Jesus ascended into heaven with teh glorified body that died, was buried, and rose again immortal, glorified etc. He physically ascended into heaven and He will physically descend back to earth one day.

It is not a mortal human body, but a glorified human body. That is why He is the firstfruits of teh resurrection. He rose glorified and never to die again.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

No I understand the Deity of Jesus very well! He is absolute God with His Father. But Jesus ascended into heaven with teh glorified body that died, was buried, and rose again immortal, glorified etc. He physically ascended into heaven and He will physically descend back to earth one day.

It is not a mortal human body, but a glorified human body. That is why He is the firstfruits of teh resurrection. He rose glorified and never to die again.

As Almighty God, Jesus Christ has always, even after His Incarnation, retained all the Attributes of Deity, as the Father and Holy Spirit.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

I put this together on the 2 natures in Christ that might be helpful for some .


Hypostatic Union

1. Jesus is a person. (1 Tim 2:5)

2. Jesus, the Person, has two natures- Divine and human (John 1:1, 14, 1 Timothy 3:16): Divine and human. This is the Hypostatic Union.( Col 2:9, Heb 1:3,2:16)

3. The Communicatio Idiomatum (Communication of the Properties) states that the attributes of His Divine nature and human nature are both ascribed to the one Person of Jesus. So Jesus can exhibit attributes of Divinity (Omnipresence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, . John 2:23, 3:13, 8:58, He was prayed to in Acts 7:59, John 14:13, He was is worshiped Matt 2:2:11, Rev 5:13-14) and at the same time exhibit attributes of His humanity( He was tempted, ate, prayed,wept, grew in wisdom and stature,was anointed,was baptized, the Father was greater, didn’t know the day or the hour of His Return, He cried My God my God why has Thou forsaken Me, He died etc.). The communicatio idiomatum does not mean that any part of the Divine nature was communicated to the human nature.


4. The Man(anthropos) Jesus is what we perceive (if we were there 2000 years ago in Israel) and through the Man we encounter the Divine nature (Jesus knowing all things, is on earth while in heaven, answers prayer, forgiving sins, etc.).

5. The Person of Jesus will always be both Divine and human. (John 1:1,14,20:28, 1 John 5:20, 1 Timothy 2:5) Those who deny this fact are the spirit of antichrist. (1 John 4:1-4,2 John 7)

6. The Divine Nature is within the Trinity.(Father, Son and Holy Spirit)

7. Since the Person of Jesus claims the attributes of Divinity(John 3:13,8:58,Matthew 9:2,12:8), then the Person of Jesus is a member of the Trinity.( John 14-16, Math 28:19)

Anything said of either of Christ's two natures applies to the one Person of Christ, so that is how it is said that Christ died on the cross. The term "hypostatic union" refers to the two natures united in the one Person, so anything said of those two natures in the one Person applies to the whole Person. So we see that the Person of Christ is both God and man. The phrase hypostatic union was adopted by the fifth general council at Constantinople, 533 AD. That council declared that the union of two natures is real (against Arius), not a mere indwelling of God in a man (against Nestorius), with a rational soul (against Apollinaris), and that in Christ’s Divine nature remains unchanged (against Eutyches).

the human nature is not "impersonal" as some of the Church fathers taught, this is heresy

 

[ChristisGod]

the human nature is not "impersonal" as some of the Church fathers taught, this is heresy

Jesus is not 2 “ persons “ , He is the Divine Son of God who took upon Himself a human nature . Natures are not equally to persons .

hope this helps !!!

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Jesus is not 2 “ persons “ , He is the Divine Son of God who took upon Himself a human nature . Natures are not equally to persons .

hope this helps !!!

I already know that

You didn't read what I said

 

[Philip James]

what was wrong with the old one?

God looked at everything he had made, and he found it very good. Evening came, and morning followed - the sixth day.

Pax et Bonum

 

[quietthinker]

The Son is Eternal as the 2nd Person of the Godhead/ Trinity . God is immutable . God is Omni All. So the Son has always been Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent. His Divine nature as God never changed . Becoming a man did not change His attributes as God.

hope this helps !!

thin ice is definitely trod on when we talk of what the creator is and what he isn't .......as if we definitively know.

 

[ChristisGod]

thin ice is definitely trod on when we talk of what the creator is and what he isn't .......as if we definitively know.

If God is immutable and if the Son is God then what I said is true .

 

[quietthinker]

If God is immutable and if the Son is God then what I said is true .

Here is a dictionary definition of 'immutable' Christo.....'unchanging over time or unable to be changed': an immutable fact.
Will we ask the question it begs re the incarnation? God became a man.....he became that which he never was before.
How are we to understand 'immutable' in the light of this?

 

[ChristisGod]

Here is a dictionary definition of 'immutable' Christo.....'unchanging over time or unable to be changed': an immutable fact.
Will we ask the question it begs re the incarnation? God became a man.....he became that which he never was before.
How are we to understand 'immutable' in the light of this?

The Divine nature did not change.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

That was concerning the meaning of the parables” agree. Matthew 13:35 [this was] to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet: I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the foundation of the world.
Point was concerning Isaiah 45:8 “let the earth open up and bear fruit, And righteousness spring up with it. I, the LORD have created it.

what stands out to me is, not only let the earth open (a body was prepared for Him) and bear fruit ….but also “And righteousness spring up with it.” There are parables about the tares and the wheat springing up together.

can’t adequately put into words “let the earth open up and bear fruit” from Isaiah and how (Imo) it connects to the parables…Jesus spoke, being made like unto His brethren, when He opened His mouth and yet asked them if their hearts were still hardened? The passage in Isaiah speaks of letting the earth open to receive what is Sown …to me Christ was fulfilling sowing good seed that would bear fruit unto God. What is “is your heart still hard” if not “that which fell on stony ground” yet did He not know their hearts would be made soft and seed would fall on good ground prepared of God, and bring forth much fruit? It was for the Joy set before Him that He endured (hard ground); without light to bear only tares …but He sowed Light that The Light might take hold of the heart and produce …what was He doing when He spoke the parables and said Light and darkness is made manifest …tares and wheat spring forth. do you understand, He asked them? Are you still in darkness, He asked them? What of His saying to the Pharisees “what you have will be taken away” as the evil one comes and snatches it away. They were warned as being deaf and blind how? What is Light if not hearing the Spirit breathe a new crop into the tares, that Light also springs forth out from the darkness? Psalm 97:11-12 Light is sown for the righteous, and gladness for the upright in heart. [12] Rejoice in the Lord, ye righteous; and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.

point is…how much He fulfilled. How much the Word of God come to pass as foretold “let the earth open up and bear fruit, And righteousness spring up with it. I, the LORD have created it.“

 

[Ronald Nolette]

As Almighty God, Jesus Christ has always, even after His Incarnation, retained all the Attributes of Deity, as the Father and Holy Spirit.

absolutely.

 

[ChristisGod]

As Almighty God, Jesus Christ has always, even after His Incarnation, retained all the Attributes of Deity, as the Father and Holy Spirit.

Amen

 

[ChristisGod]

absolutely.

Ditto

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

absolutely.

Which includes Omniscient and Omnipresence

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Which includes Omniscient and Omnipresence

not omnipresence.

As the God man- Jesus could only occupy one place at one time. Now je3sus is in heaven preparing a place for us and interceding for us. He will return as is written in Rev. 19 As the Glorifed God-man.

 

[quietthinker]

The Divine nature did not change.

you are right I believe

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

not omnipresence.

As the God man- Jesus could only occupy one place at one time. Now je3sus is in heaven preparing a place for us and interceding for us. He will return as is written in Rev. 19 As the Glorifed God-man.

as God-Man, is Jesus fully God, or partly?