Timtofly
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It is not realistic to claim that Satan and his false prophet only pop up for just 3.5 years. John just does not signify the exact time.US, being General, gives NO indication WHO is the "Specific US".
You have decided the "US" IS Christians.
Scripture never mentions Christians IN Revelations.
The word Christian...was devised BY non-believers, Calling other men WHO believed AND other men WHO were Following Christ's teachings.
Major Religions TODAY are Very Confusing.
(A topic for another Time).
But for the word "Christian" as used "Today"...
* Men believing AND Following...(who Can fall away an stop Believing and Following)...are called Christians.
* Men believing AND Following AND Converted...(who CAN NOT fall away)...are called Christians.
* YET ...Jesus defined THEM Specifically "AS "
"Converted" IN Christ.
BY their Very Death?
Physical Death Does NOT Save men.
"Conversion", Crucified With Christ, Saves and Quickens men to Everlasting Life.
The "Conversion", IS the Triumph, (Not armies of men killing men,) IN Keeping the Credit TO Christ, (not an Army who kills physical bodies).
I would say ISRAEL for ancient TO modern history have been (In Bondage, Slaves, Outcasts, Tortured, Martyred) Expressly for Their Faith IN the Heavenly God.
AND a primary factor, why, those of the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin, who were coming To Jesus; STOPPED Believing and following After Jesus the Christ, not many years After the Apostals Of Christ died off).
Killing of Converted Christians, For their Faith IN Christ Jesus, is a more modern and Isolated, (to specific regions), NOT World wide.
* IT ? - Yes - The Beast (World Authority Govt)
( under government control of A Worshiped "false god"; the dragon/(Satan/Devil/anti-Christ/Likeness as a man/all one in the same).
* ALLOWED ?- Yes - BY Whom? The Lamb of God.
* WHEN ? - Beginning of Tribulation. Opening of the First FOUR SEALS, BY the Lamb of God.
* AUTHORITY ? - Yes - BY Whom? The Power of God.
* WHO IS THE Power of God? - CHRIST.
* IT - Beast & false god, Given Power & Authority TO MAKE War ON "THEM".
* THEM ? - who?- "Saints".
* what "Saints"?
* Who are "these" Saints?
* Why are "they called" Saints?
* Where are "these" Saints?
THE SAINTS:
* Saints: OT/ men Faithful To God and His Word...Saved...at their Physical Death.
* Saints: NT/ ISRAEL men REMAINING UNDER OT LAW/ Remaining Faithful to God and His Word: Saved at Physical Death: (thereafter, called a Saint).
* During Tribulation- ISRAEL (Gods People) SENT Servants To Teach ISRAEL...JESUS IS "their" (the 12 Tribes) Christ Messiah Savior.
JESUS "IS" the Word of God.
CHRIST "IS" the Power of God.
Christ Jesus "IS" "their" (12 Tribes/ISRAEL) "Salvation"...BEFORE Physical Death.
* Sainthood- ALIVE in their FLESH, ON Earth- - CONVERTED IN Christ- BEFORE Physical Death.
ALSO - the Same Applies TO ANY Gentile- During the Tribulation-
ALIVE IN their FLESH- ON Earth- Electing to Believe IN God, IN Christ Jesus- becoming "Converted" IN Christ...
ARE the Saints, ON Earth, ALIVE IN their Flesh, ALLOWED TO BE Physically KILLED, BY the Power given the Dragon/Satan and The Army under the Authority OF Satan.
No, I will not BE ON Earth During the Tribulation..."Coming INTO Belief, IN God, IN Christ Jesus, Converting, Becoming a Saint, and THEN being Allowed "By the Lamb of God," TO BE Killed BY the Power given Satan.
I have Already Established with the Lord God, my Belief IN Him...I have Already GIVEN my Life To Him...His Power has Already MADE me Converted...I am Already EXCEPTED FROM Satan TAKING / KILLING my Physical Life. <-- My Physical Life was Already "by me", GIVEN TO Christ Jesus.
Continued to Your next point.
Glory to God,
Taken
John does not even get to disclose the 7 Thunders. But it is very clear, that John does not want us to look for some antichrist. His other letters say to do that, the whole church age, and to forget about them.
The church is not even prepared for the seals. Some claim they are all open. Really, was the church prepared? Are we now sealed or unsealed? After the 7th seal is open there are no guarantees. The book can now be edited. Names removed. Names never found, what not. The living church will soon figure out who is who in the 6th seal.
However, after the surprise of the 6th seal, the field is pretty much open. Satan and his false prophet will not be hiding out any more. John does not give them much letter space. I do think he is pointing out past history in Revelation 13. How much is any one's guess. We have been taught it ties in with Daniel. We will know soon enough.