I am excited....

[BreadOfLife]

the papacy doesn't need "most priests" to win the gold, sliver, or bronze...just the six percent of global priests that are getting it done now.

Then your "gold, silver and bronze" statement is a LIE because the following insurance report states that the annual numbers are MUCH higher among Protestants than that report about Catholics in Pennsylvania . . .

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

 

[BreadOfLife]

I know that...I said that tongue in cheek.

Nice try . . .

 

[Phoneman777]

Nice try . . .

No trying necessary. I've been telling people for years that the pope speaking "ex-cathedra" is just as flawed a practice as was the Jewish leaders basing their traditions on "the seat of Moses".

 

[Phoneman777]

THIS is your evidence?

"Church Mutual, GuideOne and Brotherhood Mutual each provided statistics on sex abuse claims to The Associated Press, although they did not produce supporting documentation or a way to determine whether the reports were credible."

In other words, they're making this stuff up or being paid by the RCC to lie.
Where are the arrests? Where are the convictions? Where is the media coverage by the Protestant fundamentalist hating liberal Fake News Media?

 

[Phoneman777]

Then your "gold, silver and bronze" statement is a LIE because the following insurance report states that the annual numbers are MUCH higher among Protestants than that report about Catholics in Pennsylvania . . .

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

When will you stop condemning Protestant leadership with you lies? I've told you time and again that the problem of Protestant child sex abuse is not nearly as much perpetrated by Protestant clergy - the Protestant equivalent of your papist pedophile priests, cardinals, bishops, and popes - as it has to do with fake Christian emergent church snake oil preachers and volunteers. Churches are all to eager to accept volunteer work and child predators use this to easily gain access to kids.

From The Fitch Law Firm, online publication:

"A different study conducted by the Christian Ministries Resources (CMR) found that most of the alleged abusers in Protestant congregations were not members of the clergy or the staff, but church volunteers.

According to Dr. James Cobble, CMR executive director, churches provide a perfect environment for sexual predators, partly because there is a culture of trust that is essential in such organizations."

Stop comparing apples and oranges, please.

 

[Phoneman777]

Then your "gold, silver and bronze" statement is a LIE because the following insurance report states that the annual numbers are MUCH higher among Protestants than that report about Catholics in Pennsylvania . . .

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

The issue is hypocrisy. Protestant churches are not only comprised of ordained, God-fearing dedicated leaders, but also paid staff and volunteers - a major distinction which you papists refuse to acknowledge because reports indicate the majority of Protestant sex abuse is traced back to others within the organization that are not those ordained.

However your papist priests, bishops, cardinals, and pope claim to be ordained by God, yet are constantly being exposed for the rapists and rape enablers that they are.

Your lies have got to stop. Protestant clergy don't rape/molest children anywhere near the rate that papists do and the evidence is there for anyone who wants to view it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I know that...I said that tongue in cheek. BTW, if the pope speaks against the Word of God be it known to all that his word are most fallible, whether he is speaking ex-cathedra or not.

That has YET to happen . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

When will you stop condemning Protestant leadership with you lies? I've told you time and again that the problem of Protestant child sex abuse is not nearly as much perpetrated by Protestant clergy - the Protestant equivalent of your papist pedophile priests, cardinals, bishops, and popes - as it has to do with fake Christian emergent church snake oil preachers and volunteers. Churches are all to eager to accept volunteer work and child predators use this to easily gain access to kids.

From The Fitch Law Firm, online publication:

"A different study conducted by the Christian Ministries Resources (CMR) found that most of the alleged abusers in Protestant congregations were not members of the clergy or the staff, but church volunteers.

According to Dr. James Cobble, CMR executive director, churches provide a perfect environment for sexual predators, partly because there is a culture of trust that is essential in such organizations."

Stop comparing apples and oranges, please.

The issue is hypocrisy. Protestant churches are not only comprised of ordained, God-fearing dedicated leaders, but also paid staff and volunteers - a major distinction which you papists refuse to acknowledge because reports indicate the majority of Protestant sex abuse is traced back to others within the organization that are not those ordained.

However your papist priests, bishops, cardinals, and pope claim to be ordained by God, yet are constantly being exposed for the rapists and rape enablers that they are.

Your lies have got to stop. Protestant clergy don't rape/molest children anywhere near the rate that papists do and the evidence is there for anyone who wants to view it.

WRONG.

In study after study the HIGHEST percentage of abuse in Protestant sects comes from the PASTORS.
This is ALWAYS followed by the Youth Ministers. Music Ministers, Associate Pastors, Deacons, and volunteers follow in much smaller percentages.

Check out this Journal-published peer-reviewed study on the matter. It is only ONE of MANY:
Child Sexual Abuse in Protestant Christian Congregations: A Descriptive Analysis of Offense and Offender Characteristics

The hypocrisy is ALL YOURS . . .

 

[Phoneman777]

That has YET to happen . . .

This is pope Pius IX on the "Immaculate Conception" of Mary - among the most blasphemous doctrines in all of Catholicism.

Pius IX    Apostolic Constitution

Mary in the Gospel of Luke said she rejoiced "...in God my Savior". If she was "preserved from all stain of sin" as is erroneously believed by you papists, then why didn't she say "...in everybody else's Savior'?

You see, Dead Bread, the reason why the papacy had to kill so many millions during the Dark Ages was to silence those who would expose their errors like I've just exposed your error that when the pope speaks "from the seat of Peter", he is infallible.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

might be good to find the Protestant analogue for this, tbh i don't see much diff?

Good point...daystar tv, the last time I looked, had show after show talking about sowing a seed (translate - money) to get a blessing from God.

 

[BreadOfLife]

This is pope Pius IX on the "Immaculate Conception" of Mary - among the most blasphemous doctrines in all of Catholicism.

Pius IX Apostolic Constitution

Mary in the Gospel of Luke said she rejoiced "...in God my Savior". If she was "preserved from all stain of sin" as is erroneously believed by you papists, then why didn't she say "...in everybody else's Savior'?

You see, Dead Bread, the reason why the papacy had to kill so many millions during the Dark Ages was to silence those who would expose their errors like I've just exposed your error that when the pope speaks "from the seat of Peter", he is infallible.

Because, Einstein - Mary was talkning about God HER Savior. He SAVED her before she was born.
What - you thought she saved herself??

 

[farouk]

Good point...daystar tv, the last time I looked, had show after show talking about sowing a seed (translate - money) to get a blessing from God.

Reminds me of Eck with whom Luther disputed...

 

[Phoneman777]

WRONG.

In study after study the HIGHEST percentage of abuse in Protestant sects comes from the PASTORS.
This is ALWAYS followed by the Youth Ministers. Music Ministers, Associate Pastors, Deacons, and volunteers follow in much smaller percentages.

Check out this Journal-published peer-reviewed study on the matter. It is only ONE of MANY:
Child Sexual Abuse in Protestant Christian Congregations: A Descriptive Analysis of Offense and Offender Characteristics

The hypocrisy is ALL YOURS . . .

I. You claim "study after study" condemns Protestant clergy but your very own linked article says otherwise:

"Although Protestant Christian congregations are both the most prevalent and frequently attended of all religious institutions within the US (Pew Research Center: Religion and Public Life 2015), research on instances of child sexual abuse within these settings has been sparse. Some of the only estimates that exist are from faith-based insurance companies that have released data on claims paid for religious institutions."

"With the exception of a few loosely related studies that have examined issues surrounding clergy sexual misconduct and abuse (see, for example, Chaves and Garland 2009; Garland and Argueta 2010; John Jay College 2004), examination of alleged child sexual abuse in Protestant Christian congregations has been limited."

II. Well well, Dead Bread, it turns out your claim that that "1% to 38.5 %" of Protestant leaders are child sex abusers" is a lie - that statistic includes "legal sexual relations, adultery or some other (legal) related sexual action."

Legal sexual misconduct by Protestant clergy and child rape and the coverup of such by Papists are two different things, Dead Bread.

If you posted that statistic in error, that simply makes you human...but if you deliberately misrepresented that statistic, that just makes you a papist carrying on the long tradition of lies and deceit:

"Sexual misconduct refers to clergy that have engaged in legal sexual relations, adultery, or some other related sexual action with a congregant that is deemed unethical or improper within these environments...Studies have revealed that as few 1% to as many as 38.5% of all clergy, across a wide range of Christian denominations, have engaged in sexual misconduct of some form."

You've been exposed once again as a trafficker of false and deceitful claims. When will you change?

 

[Phoneman777]

Because, Einstein - Mary was talkning about God HER Savior. He SAVED her before she was born.
What - you thought she saved herself??

Once again, Dead Bread, you've exposed yourself as being ignorant of the facts, but what's worse is that those are the facts of your own church!

According to you papists, Mary "was conceived preserved from all stain of original sin", so why did she need a Savior if she was sinless? And what Scripture supports that?

 

[BreadOfLife]

I. You claim "study after study" condemns Protestant clergy but your very own linked article says otherwise:

"Although Protestant Christian congregations are both the most prevalent and frequently attended of all religious institutions within the US (Pew Research Center: Religion and Public Life 2015), research on instances of child sexual abuse within these settings has been sparse. Some of the only estimates that exist are from faith-based insurance companies that have released data on claims paid for religious institutions."

"With the exception of a few loosely related studies that have examined issues surrounding clergy sexual misconduct and abuse (see, for example, Chaves and Garland 2009; Garland and Argueta 2010; John Jay College 2004), examination of alleged child sexual abuse in Protestant Christian congregations has been limited."

II. Well well, Dead Bread, it turns out your claim that that "1% to 38.5 %" of Protestant leaders are child sex abusers" is a lie - that statistic includes "legal sexual relations, adultery or some other (legal) related sexual action."

Legal sexual misconduct by Protestant clergy and child rape and the coverup of such by Papists are two different things, Dead Bread.

If you posted that statistic in error, that simply makes you human...but if you deliberately misrepresented that statistic, that just makes you a papist carrying on the long tradition of lies and deceit:

"Sexual misconduct refers to clergy that have engaged in legal sexual relations, adultery, or some other related sexual action with a congregant that is deemed unethical or improper within these environments...Studies have revealed that as few 1% to as many as 38.5% of all clergy, across a wide range of Christian denominations, have engaged in sexual misconduct of some form."

You've been exposed once again as a trafficker of false and deceitful claims. When will you change?

Look at the DATE of the study, Einsten.
The Pew Research study mentioned is almost 4 years old . . .

I'm GLAD you brought up the fact that child rape is NOT the same as legal consensual sex because MUCH of the priestly scandal revolves around homosexual affairs and pederasty - NOT pedophilia.

Do your HOMEWORK, Einstein . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Once again, Dead Bread, you've exposed yourself as being ignorant of the facts, but what's worse is that those are the facts of your own church!

According to you papists, Mary "was conceived preserved from all stain of original sin", so why did she need a Savior if she was sinless? And what Scripture supports that?

And WHO do you think "preserved" her from sin, Einstein??
GOD, her SAVIOR - just as she acknowledged . . .

 

[epostle]

Protestants falsely argue that Purgatory is a later corruption, but it was present early on and merely developed. Original Sin, however, was equally if not more so, subject to development. One cannot have it both ways. If Purgatory is unacceptable on grounds of its having undergone development, then Original Sin must be rejected with it. Contrariwise, if Original Sin is accepted notwithstanding its own development, then so must Purgatory be accepted.

Thus Protestantism is inconsistent in its selective espousal of Christian beliefs. The so-called “Catholic distinctives” were merely cast off at the time of the Protestant Revolt in the 16th century – basically due to prejudice and ignorance. Protestantism ever since has had to either distort, ignore, or be embarrassed by the facts of early Christian history which, again and again, are found to be much more in conjunction with Catholicism. Protestant anti-Catholic apologists are notorious for searching for quotes by Church Fathers which appear to support their presuppositions, while bypassing those (often by the same Father) which clearly suggest the Catholic outlook. I did this myself in the year before I was convinced of the truth of Catholicism.

Development of Doctrine: A Corruption of Biblical Teaching?

 

[Taken]

No - I don't defend ANY guilty priest - whether he was involved in the abuse OR the cover-up.

No? Improper response. I never said you did!

What I AM against is the complete hypocrisy of ant-Catholics who point fingers at the Catholic Church for this abomination - while IGNORING it in their OWN back yards.

That is a Clever claim....
Negative ~ against Protestants
Negative ~ against Cat. Church abomination
Negative ~ against Prot Church abomination

And what is it you are complaining about?
Protestants will not join your negativity...

Your children are being violated and ALL you can do is look at somebody else's problem. CLASSIC behavior of an enabler . . .

Your false claim.
No, my children are not being violated.

You wanna have a grown-up conversation about this problem?
Then WAKE UP . . .

You want to give your view of an anti-Protestant, complaints against Protestant clergy, Start a thread, and give your anti-Protestant views, and give the facts of the Protestant clergy you are against....

THEN see IF your claim is VALID, as you claim Protestants IGNORE a revealed problem.

YOU WAKE UP ~
Umpteen children, women, nuns, REMAINED IN the Catholic Church, AFTER BEING ABUSED by Catholic Priests.

The sin of silence_The epidemic of denial about sexual abuse in the evangelical church

Get real. Cover up and silence has been the historical and long running mode of operation of the Catholic Church.

Abuse by Clergy Is Not Just a Catholic Problem

Really? LOL

There is More Sexual Abuse in The Protestant Churches Than Catholic

Fascinating!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

And WHO do you think "preserved" her from sin, Einstein??
GOD, her SAVIOR - just as she acknowledged . . .

LOL, huh?

Her savior "preserved" her FROM SIN?

If she were WITHOUT original SIN, she wouldn't have HAD A Savior.

Jesus had NO NEED of a Savior.
God had NO NEED of a Savior.

Mary was a Created terrestrial.
She like ALL born in SIN, require a Savior to become Saved FROM Sin.

Weird!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[brakelite]

Yes You Do not DEFEND the "publically" "accused" Catholic Priests.

The Fact is; There have been historically MANY accusations against Catholic Priests, BY Catholics, WHO were Taught to lodge their "complaints" TO Church Representatives...
Priests, Cardinals, Pope....Thee Chain of representatives, the Catholic Church itself has established.

What makes the Complaints Newsworthy, IS specifically ABOUT Catholics themselves, WHO were subject to inappropriate Behavior of Priests.....and DID lodge their Complaints....just as they were TOLD TO DO...

NOT with Civil Authorities....BUT rather Precisely lodging their complaints WITH the Church representatives....AND THE Catholics themselves who lodged the complaints...experiencing the Results.

THEY are the ones who are revealing;
They were being told it was their fault.
They were seeing the Priests remain in their positions, moved to other Churches, receiving advanced positions......bottom line, the Priests having no NEGATIVE Consequence for the CORRUPT Behavior.

Point is; the Catholic Church for eons has taught its members, to HIDE corrupt behavior WITHIN the Church "representatives", from other members, and the public at large.

The fact is dude; A whole lot of Catholics who fell for that nonsense, Regret having TRUSTED hiding the facts was the RIGHT thing to do. Their Lives, and Lives of their children and families have been in CHAOS, FOR Years, being TORN between BEING "faithful" TO THE Churches "Secrets" (while them "Directly SUFFERING" because of the Churches "Secrets) and Being FAITHFUL TO God, Who IS TOTALLY AGAINST KEEPING a man subjected to a WICKED man.

The point IS; you say in a dispassionate claim, ya, ya, you don't like what accused Priests have actually done.

You don't even get, it is about the Catholics themselves WHO have suffered BECAUSE of
The Churches own Teaching to KEEP the behavior of corrupt Priests Secret.

You EVADE, even Considering the investigations are being brought forth into Civil legalities BY Catholics themselves.

All you can do is make your dispassionate claim against the accused Priests, THEN wag your finger at Protestant Clergy who have displayed corrupt behavior.....and then make WILD claims, that Protestants are ignoring Corrupt Protestant Clergy.

Dude...How do you think YOU EVEN KNOW, about Corrupt Protestant Clergy?

Protestants do not hesitate to notify Civil Authoriities of Corrupt behavior, be it against
Any representative of Authority....be it a teacher, govt rep, parent, babysitter, employer, or clergy.

Your silly claims that people here are SUPPORTING of Protestant Clergy having been found to be corrupt, is laughable.

You have repeatedly made that claim....without ONCE having quoted ANY Protestant saying that.

Your inpassionant comments about accused Priests is acknowledge and needs no repeating to adnausium.

Don't be mad because Protestants are compassionate toward Catholics who have suffered because of Corrupt Catholic Priests and their continued personal suffering because Corrupt Priests were HIDDEN BY the Catholic Churchs failure to Take "APPROPRIATE" action AGAINST those Priests, AND the Church's Failure to put in place a STRONG deterrent For Priests To Avoid such corrupt Behavior.

You want to TALK about Corrupt Protestant Clergy....Start a thread on that topic.

In the mean time, STOP making ridiculous claims FOR Protestants, when you CAN NOT support your ridiculous claims with quotes of a Protestant here making such claim.

Glory to God,
Taken

Thankyou. You have articulated clearly and succinctly the truth in a manner we wish we could have all done a long time ago, and which we are do frustrated that people such as BOL CAN'T SEE IT.