I Can't Keep My Mouth Shut Anymore

[Ziggy]

Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I don't do any drugs.

Wonder what you would tell Luke the physician when he dispensed medicines to believers. He lacked faith??????

Nothing wrong with medications. They have been used since near teh beginning. Today they do it instead of with roots and barks and flowers etc., they have found and synthesized those things in nature that benefit man and mass produce them. Please explain the sin in that.

do you find it wrong that man has gone from walkiing, to horses and mules and camels, to wagons and chariots, then ships, and now jets and automobiles?

Progress is generic and neither good or bad. It is what man does with it that will make it a part of evil or good. Computers are either evil or good . Depends on what it is being used for.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I don't recall Jesus preaching under a rock.
In fact he opposed the authorities to their faces calling them hypocrites and taught the people in the Synagogues even.
Show me where Jesus was discreet due to fearing the authorities?

If you read my post to Enoch you would have seen, that we muyst obey God first in matters of Scripture over man. Yes Jesus preached openly , did miracles and proved He was Messiah. They crucified Him for that.

IO am not talking abvout if man passes a law forbidding us fromj talking about Jesus. Of course we must disobey! We have a higher authority. But if they pass a law that does not violate scripture we are duty bound before God to obey. As Gods Word says that Government is gods authority. Paul wrote that when Rome was ruling with all its tyranny!!!!!!

Yes Jesus condemned the religious leaders, but He also told the crowds this:

Matthew 23
King James Version

23 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

I am not addressing whether the rulers are tyrants or good. I am addressing when a govt. passes a law that does not contradict Scripture and whatr gods Word says His followers must do with those laws.

Jesus doesn't call us to form a zealot party like in ancient Israel in order to overthrow human govt. Our kingdom is not of this world! Jesus will come back at the proper time and overthrow human govt. and establish His Millenial kingdom. He does not need our protesting govt, or worse yet taking up arms because e don't like which way a govt. is shifting.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Wonder what you would tell Luke the physician when he dispensed medicines to believers. He lacked faith??????

Nothing wrong with medications. They have been used since near teh beginning. Today they do it instead of with roots and barks and flowers etc., they have found and synthesized those things in nature that benefit man and mass produce them. Please explain the sin in that.

do you find it wrong that man has gone from walkiing, to horses and mules and camels, to wagons and chariots, then ships, and now jets and automobiles?

Progress is generic and neither good or bad. It is what man does with it that will make it a part of evil or good. Computers are either evil or good . Depends on what it is being used for.

That poster did not say medicine is bad. She said she doesn’t use medicine. Just accept her choice, as I’m sure she accepts someone else’s choice to use it.

Neither did she say using medicine is sin. You can’t make a determination on if she thinks that based on one statement.

It would be different if she had said I don’t use medicine and neither should anyone else.

She shared something about herself and her personal choice. That’s all.

She’s pretty open. I’m sure, if asked, she would have no problem with sharing some of her reasons why, but you didn’t care to ask and find out more about her but rather began to lecture and judge.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That poster did not say medicine is bad. She said she doesn’t use medicine. Just accept her choice, as I’m sure she accepts someone else’s choice to use it.

Neither did she say using medicine is sin. You can’t make a determination on if she thinks that based on one statement.

It would be different if she had said I don’t use medicine and neither should anyone else.

She shared something about herself and her personal choice. That’s all.

I fully accept her choice. I di dnot see her say she was not against medcation. I fully respect a persons choice to take or not take meds, to eat or not eat meat, etc.etc. These things we all have liberty in Christ to do.

But based on her responses to me I read ( I may have missed one), it appeared she was against medication. MY bad and I apologize for the misunderstanding.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I fully accept her choice. I di dnot see her say she was not against medcation. I fully respect a persons choice to take or not take meds, to eat or not eat meat, etc.etc. These things we all have liberty in Christ to do.

But based on her responses to me I read ( I may have missed one), it appeared she was against medication. MY bad and I apologize for the misunderstanding.

No, it’s okay. But if she is against medications for herself, that’s a choice. It doesn’t mean she is judging others. More conversation would be needed to determine if that were so or not.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I don't think you understand.
This is a homemade virus with a homemade vax waiting in the wings.
The only ones it benefits are the creators of them.
Now the creators of the virus and the vax..
(on one hand they try to kill you on the other they say they are trying to save you)
are telling us to take the vax or face the consequences.

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but are you numb?
In the summer of 2019 they were having conferences on the effects of a pandemic outbreak.
It originates in Chicago, circulates the world and wipes out millions of people.
The conference was how to prepare and to advise and to inform the public.
This conference was called Crimson Contagion.

A Government Pandemic Simulation Exposed Our Weaknesses Last Year

Then there was "Event 201"

About Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019

About the Event 201 exercise
Event 201 was a 3.5-hour pandemic tabletop exercise that simulated a series of dramatic, scenario-based facilitated discussions, confronting difficult, true-to-life dilemmas associated with response to a hypothetical, but scientifically plausible, pandemic. 15 global business, government, and public health leaders were players in the simulation exercise that highlighted unresolved real-world policy and economic issues that could be solved with sufficient political will, financial investment, and attention now and in the future.

The exercise consisted of pre-recorded news broadcasts, live “staff” briefings, and moderated discussions on specific topics. These issues were carefully designed in a compelling narrative that educated the participants and the audience.

The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, World Economic Forum, and Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation jointly propose these recommendations.

Recommendations
The next severe pandemic will not only cause great illness and loss of life but could also trigger major cascading economic and societal consequences that could contribute greatly to global impact and suffering. The Event 201 pandemic exercise, conducted on October 18, 2019, vividly demonstrated a number of these important gaps in pandemic preparedness as well as some of the elements of the solutions between the public and private sectors that will be needed to fill them. The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, World Economic Forum, and Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation jointly propose these recommendations.

When/where
Friday, October 18, 2019
8:45 a.m. – 12:30 p.m.
The Pierre hotel
New York, NY

Audience
An invitation-only audience of nearly 130 people attended the exercises, and a livestream of the event was available to everyone. Video coverage is available here.

It's a PLANDEMIC.
IT WAS PLANNED.
How do you think the Vaccines were available so quickly?
They have the patent for both virus and vax.

I'm not opposed to medicine or vaccines.
I'm opposed to sticking my head in the sand and ignoring the truth.

All this is nice and horrid and doesn't surprise me. I have held covid was man made and intentionally released from the get go. However, as I am not one who wishes to die prematurely (though we can't, god has appointed the day of our death), I have taken the shingles vaccine, pneumonia, annual flu shots and I have had bvoth pfizer covid shots. I take vitamins, 7 prescriptions that help me maintain quality of life, and tylenol and CBD oil to manage the severe pain I have from chronic widespread arthritis.

I have 6 things wrong with my heart
Gentic hypetension
high cholesterol
and neurological damage to due ot having undiagnosed chronic apnea for nearly 2 decades.

I respect your right before God to not take any natural or synthesized medicines.

I however thank God for allowing man to discover these meds.

Because man is sinful by nature, there will always be abuses and wrong done with them. But I also know there is a lot of right that is being done with them as well.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, it’s okay. But if she is against medications for herself, that’s a choice. It doesn’t mean she is judging others. More conversation would be needed to determine if that were so or not.

I agree. And I did find a generic post not addressed to anyone where she said she is not against meds for others, just not for herself.

 

[Ziggy]

I don't take medications because what is on the label for side effects.
I have a blocked aorta. I have tiny peripheal veins that feed blood to my legs.
I can't walk very well.
There are some medications that conflict with certain foods.
Like blood thinners and leafy green veggies like kale.
Both have vitamin K which regulates where calcium goes in the body.
I have calcium buildup in the aorta which has solidified.
Only way to fix it is to remove and replace with a plastic tube.
Over the last few years I have increased grrens in my diet and I'm walking better.
Without the side effect.
The doctors tell me it's cholesterol. I know it's sugar.
But seeing they don't have a sugar pill they prescribe me cholesterol pills.
Well you can't eat certain fruit like grapefruit. And grapefruit helps remove cholesterol naturally.

All I'm saying is there is God's way and what he has provided, and there is man's way and what he has created.
I prefer to go God's route.
According to the doctor's I should have died in 2015.
Maybe if I'd taken medication I would have. A lot of them claim blood clots and strokes and who knows what as side effects.
I can't afford that.

I am not opposed to medicine. For some people it is the only answer.
I believe that food is medicine. And you are what you eat.
That's me.

And that's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)
Hugs

 

[stunnedbygrace]

The doctors tell me it's cholesterol. I know it's sugar.
But seeing they don't have a sugar pill they prescribe me cholesterol pills.
Well you can't eat certain fruit like grapefruit. And grapefruit helps remove cholesterol naturally.

All I'm saying is there is God's way and what he has provided, and there is man's way and what he has created.
I prefer to go God's route.

I’m seeing an overlap here, as concerns the conversation about this COVID procedure.
You take the pill, the man made way, then you can’t do it the natural way because it would be harmful then to eat the grapefruit.
The manmade way necessitates the giving up of the natural way.

And from what I’ve been reading, if it went with you the natural way with COVID, (caught it, body fought it, antibodies developed), some doctors are saying to then additionally take the manmade way could possibly harm you. Which is the reverse of what you describe.

So it seems to work forwards or in reverse...

And there are some instances where doctors see people so messed up from: drug A to fight what’s going on in your body, leading to drug B to counteract the negative effects of drug A, leading to drugs C and D to fight the side effects of drug B, etc. And the doctor sometimes decides to put a patient on what is called a “drug holiday” which is cessation of all drugs to clean out the system and start fresh, because the doctor comes to the conclusion that it’s no longer the medical condition originally started with that is going to kill the person but rather is the boatload of meds that’s going to kill them. But cessation is also dangerous so it MUST be done in the hospital.

What a mess...

 

[Ziggy]

I’m seeing an overlap here, as concerns the conversation about this COVID procedure.
You take the pill, the man made way, then you can’t do it the natural way because it would be harmful then to eat the grapefruit.
The manmade way necessitates the giving up of the natural way.

And from what I’ve been reading, if it went with you the natural way with COVID, (caught it, body fought it, antibodies developed), some doctors are saying to then additionally take the manmade way could possibly harm you. Which is the reverse of what you describe.

So it seems to work forwards or in reverse...

And there are some instances where doctors see people so messed up from: drug A to fight what’s going on in your body, leading to drug B to counteract the negative effects of drug A, leading to drugs C and D to fight the side effects of drug B, etc. And the doctor sometimes decides to put a patient on what is called a “drug holiday” which is cessation of all drugs to clean out the system and start fresh, because the doctor comes to the conclusion that it’s no longer the medical condition originally started with that is going to kill the person but rather is the boatload of meds that’s going to kill them. But cessation is also dangerous so it MUST be done in the hospital.

What a mess...

My ex husband is an over the road trucker. For ten years I lived in a truck.
He wasn't the type to take too many breaks. Have to keep them wheels rolling.
We ate mostly at truckstops, greasy buffets and fast food.
Little to no exercise. You had to get out and tarp a load or strap and bungie cord.
But not much walking, unless you count the rest areas you parked in to sleep.
My biggest downfall was Dunkin Donuts coffee with extra cream and extra sugar.
That was my basic diet.
One day I couldn't walk across the parking lot so I went home.
Eventually went to the hospital, had some scans, and they found the blockage.
That was winter of 2014/2015.

I figure, diet got me into this mess, diet will have to get me out of it.
So far so good.
Now my ex, he got the same thing except his was higher up and was effecting the organs (liver, kidneys)
He didn't have a choice but to get an operation, everything was shutting down.
That was 2016.
He was doing good for a few years, seemed everything was back to normal.
But now he is having troubles walking again.
Doc said the tube had a life span of 8-10 years.
I don't know if he will have to have a replacement and go through that all again.

I'm better than I was, but not as good as I could be, and I'm working on it.
I figure the body has a way of mending itself far better than an alien plastic tube.

No,
I am not opposed to anyone doing anything that they feel secure in.
As long as one has faith, God will work it out.
Hugs

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I don't take medications because what is on the label for side effects.
I have a blocked aorta. I have tiny peripheal veins that feed blood to my legs.
I can't walk very well.
There are some medications that conflict with certain foods.
Like blood thinners and leafy green veggies like kale.
Both have vitamin K which regulates where calcium goes in the body.
I have calcium buildup in the aorta which has solidified.
Only way to fix it is to remove and replace with a plastic tube.
Over the last few years I have increased grrens in my diet and I'm walking better.
Without the side effect.
The doctors tell me it's cholesterol. I know it's sugar.
But seeing they don't have a sugar pill they prescribe me cholesterol pills.
Well you can't eat certain fruit like grapefruit. And grapefruit helps remove cholesterol naturally.

All I'm saying is there is God's way and what he has provided, and there is man's way and what he has created.
I prefer to go God's route.
According to the doctor's I should have died in 2015.
Maybe if I'd taken medication I would have. A lot of them claim blood clots and strokes and who knows what as side effects.
I can't afford that.

I am not opposed to medicine. For some people it is the only answer.
I believe that food is medicine. And you are what you eat.
That's me.

And that's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)
Hugs

I am sincerely glad you found a way that works for you.

It is easier for me to say what is not wrong with my body than what is right! LOL.

It i s true that all meds have side effects- even things as benign as aspirin and tylenol. I believe I am doing things gods' way as well. I am eating much healthier, exercising as I am able to, but taking th emeds. I trust my doctors (actually I trust God to work through my doctors)

Each has to follow their conscience as God burdens it in these areas where there is no clear biblical mandate.

 

[James the Rabbit]

I am sincerely glad you found a way that works for you.

It is easier for me to say what is not wrong with my body than what is right! LOL.

It i s true that all meds have side effects- even things as benign as aspirin and tylenol. I believe I am doing things gods' way as well. I am eating much healthier, exercising as I am able to, but taking th emeds. I trust my doctors (actually I trust God to work through my doctors)

Each has to follow their conscience as God burdens it in these areas where there is no clear biblical mandate.

tylenol is one of the most toxic substances known to humans - yeah, surprising

 

[Ronald Nolette]

tylenol is one of the most toxic substances known to humans - yeah, surprising

Well as I am on eliquis due to sever A-fib I cannot take aspiring or nsaids. I do take 1950 mg. of tyleno daily for years and still have no side effects. My liver is fine so far.

All meds have side effects. Hopefull the doctors weight he benefits over the risks.

 

[James the Rabbit]

Well as I am on eliquis due to sever A-fib I cannot take aspiring or nsaids. I do take 1950 mg. of tyleno daily for years and still have no side effects. My liver is fine so far.

All meds have side effects. Hopefull the doctors weight he benefits over the risks.

yeah, I think it is generally a safe drug when used correctly, but wow it can do a lot of damage when it is used incorrectly

 

[amigo de christo]

All this is nice and horrid and doesn't surprise me. I have held covid was man made and intentionally released from the get go. However, as I am not one who wishes to die prematurely (though we can't, god has appointed the day of our death), I have taken the shingles vaccine, pneumonia, annual flu shots and I have had bvoth pfizer covid shots. I take vitamins, 7 prescriptions that help me maintain quality of life, and tylenol and CBD oil to manage the severe pain I have from chronic widespread arthritis.

I have 6 things wrong with my heart
Gentic hypetension
high cholesterol
and neurological damage to due ot having undiagnosed chronic apnea for nearly 2 decades.

I respect your right before God to not take any natural or synthesized medicines.

I however thank God for allowing man to discover these meds.

Because man is sinful by nature, there will always be abuses and wrong done with them. But I also know there is a lot of right that is being done with them as well.

That chronic widespread arthritis is not friendly .

 

[April_Rose]

I have an awful lot to do since I was out all day, but I just wanted to say this really quick since I saw it being talked about. If changing your DNA was possible, criminals would have been doing it all along.

 

[Taodeching]

If we had rulers that abided by these rules, then fine.
WE DON'T

Except the verses never say that. It's amazing how you claim Christ and yet won't do as He says. It is a thing of amazement you refuse to obey the Master yet try to claim His Holy Name.

I don't fall under the authority of GODLESS people.

Apparently you don't fall under the rule of Christ either but you just observe the rule of Ziggy. When Christ the Master inspired those verses He did not give qualifiers, Christ said obey the rulers He placed in their position period and the verse you used does not pertain to what Christ said in several places like Romans 13:1-2

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

Good luck with your rebellion against God.

 

[Taodeching]

Now I am done here, this thread is circular and not many really want to follow the Master here

 

[stunnedbygrace]

@Ziggy and @amigo de christo thought you might like a look at this

Ive watched a few of Russell Brands videos. He’s an interesting man...