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  1. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Not only does this show your ignorance about Dispensationalism, but it also shows your willingness to falsely accuse other Christians (as you have made several accusations falsely against me in other posts).

    As far as this ignorant remark above, Dispensationalism validates every Scripture and refuses to spiritualize things which must be taken as literal. Take some time to properly study this rather thank make ridiculous remarks.
     
  2. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    I have no ill will towards dipensational people.
    I have forgotten more about this theology than you know at the current time,.
    It is not about that however...it is about what saith the scripture?
     
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    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    There were also those before Israel was a physical nation,who were believers
     
  4. CharismaticLady

    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but the thousand years in question is already a fulfillment of prophecy, so it stops there. It doesn't get recalculated and go on into infinity.

    Hosea 6:1-2
    Come, and let us return to the Lord;
    For He has torn, but He will heal us;
    He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
    2 After two days He will revive us; (2000 years) (fulfilled SOON!)
    On the third day He will raise us up, (1000 years)
    That we may live in His sight.
     
  5. Earburner

    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    But isn't that what you are doing? Trying to make us "work" at keeping the Law verbatim, for the Lord's FREE Gift of His Salvation?
    Really? For all that he had, most assuredly it was more than the "things" of this world.
    How about this:
    Mat. 10[37] He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.[38] And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
    Should it be, that the MoB be implemented in the world right now, today, could you walk away from everything that you own, and bear the scorn of your immediate family for doing so?
    What "works" shall prove your faith, that would be equal to Abraham and his only son Isaac?
    Ha! And you thought it was Law Keeping verbatim, that proves one's faith.

    Yes! That is exactly what God did!!
    And but of course, the self righteous (the great) are offended!

    Not all references in the Bible are spiritual, because some others are literal!

    Hard sounding, as in it sounds like you expect us to keep the Law verbatim? Yes, that IS WHAT legalists do!
     
  6. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. So let's take a concrete example and see if the Dispensationalist understanding is true or false.

    Let's take Ezekiel 36:24-35
    24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
    Who is being address here other than the Jews, and what is their land other than the land of Israel? Will God gather the Jews from all around the world and bring them to Israel?

    25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

    Will they repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be cleansed from their sins?

    26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

    Will the believing ones experience the New Birth and be redeemed and restored?

    27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

    Will they receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and will God write the Ten Commandments on their hearts?

    28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

    Will they literally dwell in the land of Greater Israel stretching from the Nile to the Euphrates as promised to Abraham?

    29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.

    Will they be living righteously under Christ and will the land be blessed?

    30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen...

    Will there be an end to famine and will Israel flourish as promised?

    35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced,and are inhabited.
    Will the land of Israel literally become like the Garden of Eden?

    So what saith the Scripture? Will God and Christ literally redeem and restore Israel or not? And should Christians oppose this and persist in teaching false Replacement Theology?
     
  7. Earburner

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    Okay, then call it 2,019 years, it's all the same to God, for HOW LONG His Age of Grace shall be, of which shall not END, "except there be "a falling away first".
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    So then, if "a falling away" (from faith) does not occur for 1500 more years, then the Age of God's Grace will still be operative in the world, and the understanding of a thousand years is as one, and one day is as a thousand years, would remain the same.
     
  8. CharismaticLady

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    2019? You are assuming you know the start date. Seeing as Hosea is about Israel, the start date could be 70 A.D.

    BTW, God is never late in fulfilling His prophecies.
     
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    No, the start date was the day of Pentecost, for God's Grace to be operative in the world, of which is what symbolically "a thousand years" is all about!
    Therefore, the only time it shall end, is NOT when a literal thousand years ends, but rather "except there be a falling away first", the shall the Day of the Lord come.
     
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    You might say that though there is a literal end to "a thousand years", according to our thinking, but for God's way of thinking (Isa. 55:8-9), "a thousand years is as a day, and a day is as thousand years", which is to say that it is open ended, pending only one event that shall cause Him to put an end to his period of Grace. That event is:
    The lack of faith among men, to "believe that God is", aka "a falling away" (from faith)
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    Jesus hinted at it in Luke 18[8] I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
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    Though Jesus does NOT know WHEN He shall return, He does know the cause of His return!
     
  12. CharismaticLady

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    God's grace was not for only a thousand years from Pentecost. God's grace will be forever. It is a long study, and I'm just giving you snippets.

    Do you believe in Preterism?
     
  13. Episkopos

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    Exposed again! ;) Actually it depends how you see things whether for yourself or for God.

    Now we live in a very selfish society..and add to that our own selfish carnal nature....and the gospel is sure to be flipped around in it's purpose.

    Do we see Christianity as an end....which serves ourselves...or a MEANS by which the will of God is done.

    If we see this (the gospel) as an end in itself....then we will distort the gospel for something that serves the fallen nature in men. of course you are falling in to that category...seeing how God can be of service to you. And this fully distorts the biblical message and subverts it to serve oneself.

    But if it is a means...then it is the POWER to do the will of God...which also justifies our actions favourably for salvation and reward.

    So then who is serving whom? That's what you need to set your mind to. That's the calibration one needs to ascertain the bias of the message.

    The command that Abraham kept was to love God. with even the life of his son. So then to forsake all in this world is just to display our love for God. And unless we do so we are not worthy to be close to God forever. We may yet be saved...but from a certain distance. Love for God brings us into the Bride of Christ.

    Holding back our lives and loves from the Lord removes us into being a guest at His wedding...or worse...total rejection into outer darkness.

    But who's afraid of that, right?


    You have shown where you are on the spectrum... you see God as someone who serves your own interests. I can't really say good luck with that.:oops:
     
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    Yes, there were the righteous and the prophets...as Jesus said. But Jesus took things to a whole new level...like adding an upper room to a building...if you understand my meaning.

    Matthew 13:17
    17 for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

    Jesus didn't come to call these to repentance...they were already both acceptable and pleasing to God...but these were quite few compared to the scale that God was looking for. There was a lot of room to be filled. So then grace was extended to all nations to see who would care to see God's will done.
     
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    Exactly! It is like Jude said, perverting the grace of God into licentiousness!.

    BTW, I'm aka 1stcenturylady. Had computer trouble and had to get a new account.
     
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    Yes...I thought so. Recognized that 1st century racoon. :) Welcome back.
     
  17. Earburner

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    You must know by now, that I am not talking about the foul and fictional, fantasy that most Christians speak of, being "THE" Millennium, of which they tack on AFTER their other foul belief, that Christ returns "secretly". That is NOT what KJV- 2 Thes. chapter 1 says!!
    There are three words of "when" in that chapter. Please read them in context, and then connect that to 2 Peter 3:10-12
     
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    If you want to call a good observation an accusation...then so be it I suppose. But you tend to lead with your chin and have your heart on your sleeve when you are proven wrong...which I admit must be hard to take for all the study you seem to do. The only way we communicate is...not by the words...but your pride.
    The opposite is true. It is taking a passage about something spiritual...like the sabbath at this present time...and turning it back to the caveman days of people trying to understand things with their 4 pound brains.

    So then there is a Neanderthal aspect to Dispensationalism. It is from men...who are devoid of spiritual understanding. So then the gospel is fully misunderstood by these.

    So as usual..I don't see anything in your posts that amounts to a proper dialogue or even that has any merit worth discussing.

    Very sad indeed. :(
     
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    Dispensationalism is firmly rooted in the pre-Pentecost mindset of they who have not been brought into the power of the kingdom of God.

    God is turned from being a Spirit to being an idol...since only natural things can be observed by these.
     
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    Galatian 3
    11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
    12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
    13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    The just shall live by faith, but the Law is not of faith, so if you live according to Law you are not living according to faith. We have be redeemed from the curse of the Law.

    Again, living according to Law is not living by faith. Paul even refers to it has having "fallen from Grace".

    Now. If we consider that there is grace to be saved, and grace to stand, then what are we talking about here?

    Much love!
     
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