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Hebrews, gives strong warning to those who turn against their faith in Jesus,
Hebrews 3:12,
-Beware brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.
If Behold is correct, that former believers that become unbelievers will be in heaven.
Why then the writer of Hebrews give WARNING to not loose faith? There should be no warning if Beholds false doctrine be true.
If you're born again, then God has proven by imparting the new birth to the believer, that they are BELIEVERS.
You can't born again, and not be a believer.
There are no born again in Hell.
There are no Christ rejectors in Heaven.
Do you know what a self saver is, Titus?
This is a "heretic", as Paul defines them in Galatians.
How to spot one?
Ask them if they believe they can lose their Salvation.
If they answer "yes", then you have found a cross rejecting legalist (heretic).
See, you cant "trust Christ" and believe you can lose your salvation.
That a fact, so, these people are LYING when they say "yes i trust Christ".
Its not good to LIE, is it Titus?
People believe what they want, they’re nothing a person can do but just point out the scripture and say hey look here. If they don’t wanna listen oh well.
Jesus said this here; not sure who he speaking to could be his disciples with him at that time.
Matthew 13:15 For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’
Ernest T. Bass
Well-Known Member
The origins of OSAS has its origins with Satan in the garden of Eden. Satan is the father of lies and OSAS creates the false sense of comfort and attempts to legitimize sinning.
Adam and Eve were told if they ate of certain tree they would surely die, (Gen 2:17) yet Satan lied telling them they would not die would become as gods themselves (Gen 3:4-5) attempting to legitimize sinning against God and the fase sense that there is no consequence for sinning against God (they would not die but be as gods).
Satan's lie has found its way into creeds of men. The Westminster Confession of faith, instead of saying spritual death is the consequence of sinning (Rom 6:23) it denies there is a consequnce for sinning by saying the Christian "can neither totally nor finally fall away (ye shall not surely die) from the state of grace; but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally saved". (Chpt 17, Sec 1 and 2).
The Baptist Faith and Message: "Those whom God has accepted in Christ, and sanctified by His Spirit, will never fall away from the state of grace, ("ye shall never die" per Satan) but shall persevere to the end. Believers may fall into sin through neglect and temptation, whereby they grieve the Spirit, impair their graces and comforts, and bring reproach on the cause of Christ and temporal judgments on themselves; yet they shall be kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation (no consequence sinning though God said, 'ye shall surely die')"
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"The first case of one voicing the “Once Saved – Always Saved” doctrine is found in the Garden of Eden. Despite God’s firm warning against disobedience, the devil told Eve, “You shall not surely die!” (Genesis 3:4). Here we have the embryo of the modern allegation that a child of God cannot sin as to be lost. But the devastating consequences of human rebellion against the Creator continue to plague mankind, and the billions upon billions of graves filling the earth is a testament against the duplicitous heresy of Satan.
Although humanity was created as children of God, the truth is, a rebellious child of God can be dispossessed or disinherited as explicitly revealed in the affairs of God with His covenant people under the Mosaic age. The nation of Israel was particularly chosen “to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth” (Deuteronomy 7:6). Following the rebellion of Israel in the wilderness, God said to Moses, “How long will this people spurn Me? And how long will they not believe in Me, despite all the signs which I have performed in their midst? I will smite them with pestilence and dispossess them” (Numbers 14:11-12; emp. added).
Through the prophet, Hosea, God affirmed to the arrogant, stiff-necked, idol-worshipping northern kingdom of Israel, “you are not My people and I am not your God” (Hosea 1:9). Allegiance to Satan, rather than to God, effectively changes the status of sonship. When Jesus encountered certain Jews claiming, “We have one Father: God,” He told them unequivocally, “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father…He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God” (John 6:41-47)." "Once Saved Always Saved" - Fact or Fiction? Part 1 — Leipers Fork church of Christ
Secondly, you have never shown a verse that says there has been an onus put upon Christ to UNconditionally keep Christians saved regardless if the Christian lives his life godly or ungodly. The responsibility to remain saved has been put upon Christians, not Christ, to "keep yourselves in the love of God" Jude 1:21; "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; " 2 Cor 13:5; "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." James 4:7; "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:" 2 Peter 1:10.
Thirdly, you have demonstrated you do not understand what obedience to God's will is, as you continue to falsely equate obedience to God's will as a work of merit as if men obey God in order to earn some kind of merit from God. Luke 17:7-10 obedience earns nothing.
Wrangler
Well-Known Member
So, you believe universalism is correct doctrine?
It logically follows from your claim that Christ alone gets people to heaven, which necessarily means nothing on the part of the person is required. A statement of faith? No. An actual heart felt believe? No. Actions consisten with the will of God? No.
Or are you actually advocating a Christ alone+ which simplifies to not Christ alone theology?
Wrangler
Well-Known Member
Ernest, I applaud your analysis. Many others have expressed similar sentiments but behold is a OSAS to the core. He does not have eyes to see or ears to here.
Ernest T. Bass
Well-Known Member
Christ died for every man, Heb 2:9, therefore if there is nothing on the part of man, then every man should be unconditionally saved. Yet all are not saved for all will not conditionally obey Christ (Heb 5:9) and let Christ's atonement for sins on the cross pass them by.
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