No unity ever

[bbyrd009]

Anyone can defend to their death a statement like 'well imo there really cant be any wrong answers to "what does 'the faith' mean to you'.
That stance would never be persecuted to one's death in a pluralistic world as Christians were in the 1st Century. It molds itself to the winds of the season, convictionless, pliable, perilously drifting towards the crags of Relativism.

you can only fool yourself in the end i guess, k

if you cant even define "the faith" then how can you "fight" for it?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I think we have missed the premise of this thread

the premise is why can’t their be a unity

seems most think it is because certain churches think they are the true church and all others are wrong

And we see this holds true.

 

[Marymog]

ps.

if your elders are wrong

You will have eternity to ponder over it.

They may be individually wrong but The Church is never wrong. Example: Peter was wrong at the Council of Jerusalem but those men, when they came together as The Church, we’re not wrong. Acts 15:1-18

Bible study Mary

 

[bbyrd009]

That stance would never be persecuted to one's death in a pluralistic world as Christians were in the 1st Century.

lol, well i suggest that it happens every day fwiw, although the terms might not be the ones we have in mind for that

 

[prism]

That’s the point. They can disagree with us. But they have to consider what we say may be true. Because it can not be proven either way

The dividing line (and why there is no Unity) is Sola Scriptura. Most of the stuff they hold to, is a result of deviating from Scripture and instead, heading to Tradition, something Jesus rebuked the Saducees and Pharisees for.

 

[Marymog]

The pride comes from the fact you think YOUR CHURCH is that church

that was my original point.

I completely understand your point....

If it is not my church spoken of in scripture then which church is it?

 

[Marymog]

ps.

if your elders are wrong

You will have eternity to ponder over it.

If you are wrong?

 

[bbyrd009]

if he is wrong, you and your sons will be here with me i guess, just like the Book says!
No one has ever gone up to heaven
There is only One Immortal
He who seeks to save his soul will lose it
No one knows where they go when they die
All go to the same place

I think we have missed the premise of this thread

the premise is why can’t their be a unity

seems most think it is because certain churches think they are the true church and all others are wrong

And we see this holds true.

i would suggest that anyone who deems a denomination building a "church" is automatically disqualified anyway, yeh :)

 

[prism]

you can only fool yourself in the end i guess, k

if you cant even define "the faith" then how can you "fight" for it?

Define God.

 

[historyb]

I'm still looking for a verse that says we can pray to those who have passed on (Jesus not included), or at least an example of such.

Just as soon as it is shown hat the Bible contains everything and that St. Paul's instruction were not true when he said keep everything we taught you written and oral and that the Church is not the pillar and foundation of truth.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I completely understand your point....

If it is not my church spoken of in scripture then which church is it?

The word church literally means a gathering.

It is associated with a group of city churches.

It consists of all people who are born again.

It has names like the churches of rome, the churches of Ephesus etc. In revelation is spoke of 7 churches. not one church.

Again. there is nothing to argue,

You think you have made it and your church is correct.. Nothing can change your mind. thus we are all inferior to you.

Yet you claim you do not speak in arrogance or pride,

 

[historyb]

Where in Scripture do you see that happening or a promise of it to happen?

Where does it sa everything must be in the bible?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you are wrong?

then I will have an eternity to ponder

But then I will have myself to blame.

You on the other hand, will be angry because you were led astray and refused to do what God commanded you to do and study and test all spirits. to make sure what they said was true.

 

[bbyrd009]

Define God.

no offense, but that is at least twice removed from your faith imo, be it a noun or a verb?
It wasnt a trick Q or anything, i mean dont answer if you dont wanna

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Where does it sa everything must be in the bible?

why would God give us something with which we have no way to determine if it is from him, or from some man?

 

[bbyrd009]

i mean, do you believe that guy? In another breath he will surely be going all "Scripture Solo" or whatever, huh?

No place are we told that he does.
So you can not prove you point. So why are hue it?

bc he is a Mithraist, and wants to populate "heaven" with people, that he might also attain maybe?
hence Esau have i hated

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They may be individually wrong but The Church is never wrong. Example: Peter was wrong at the Council of Jerusalem but those men, when they came together as The Church, we’re not wrong. Acts 15:1-18

Bible study Mary

Yep

But this STILL ASSUMES your church is that church.

 

[bbyrd009]

Yep

But this STILL ASSUMES your church is that church.

give me some of that red stew, for i am famished unto death!
Esau gets what Esau deserves i guess
Edom was destroyed for not allowing Israel to pass through right, not for desiring red stew

 

[prism]

Where does it sa everything must be in the bible?

Sure, I suppose you can make up things as you go along.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sure, I suppose you can make up things as you go along.

Sadly to many people want to do this then
Claim it came from God