Gregory -
Continued...your comment about...OSAS
OSAS people believe they can do anything, good or bad and they will still be saved. They are just wrong.
No...Actually YOU are wrong.
* Salvation IS NOT "given a man" FOR doing WORKS.
* Salvation IS NOT "kept by a man" FOR doing WORKS.
* Salvation IS given a man, FOR CONFESSING HEARTFUL BELIEF "IN the Lord God".
* Salvation IS KEPT IN a man, BY THE POWER OF GOD "IN" a man.
* THAT ^ IS a Permanent ONE TIME, FOR EVER "RELATIONSHIP" Established BETWEEN...ONE man...and the Lord God Himself.
YOU are trying to TWIST SALVATION, TO MEAN: "RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN MEN" CAN "CAUSE" a man "TO LOSE HIS SALVATION"...
NO, it CAN NOT!
* MEN...WHO ARE SAVED...ARE SAVED!
THEIR "RELATIONSHIP" "WITH and IN" the Lord God "IS SECURE".
* SAVED PEOPLE....WHO lie, cheat, steal, have unsavory relationships with/against
"OTHER PERSONS" ....ARE CALLED: "TRESPASSERS and DEBTORS".
SUCH men, lying, cheating, stealing, whatever...ARE NOT Glorifing God...and ARE "LOSING" Rewards, THEY "COULD HAVE HAD".....IF they were DOING WORKS that "GLORIFIED GOD".
* WHAT IS "TAKEN" "WITHELD" FROM THEM...
ARE "REWARDS THEY COULD HAVE HAD".
* AND the WORKS they "DO" against OTHER MEN, that DO NOT GLORIFY GOD....
ARE BURNED!
* AND EVERY person, who HAS an "unsavory" relationship WITH/AGAINST "other men"....
SHALL BEAR THE BURDEN and CONSEQUENCES ... IF they lie, cheat, steal whatever AGAINST "ANOTHER PERSON".
WHEN, one lies, cheats, steals AGAINST their spouse...AGAINST their neighbor, AGAINST their employer, AGAINST the people they govern over; etc. ."they SHALL BEAR the burden of the consequence OF the person who was lied to, cheated, or stolen from."
(You can plainly OBSERVE such consequences....Divorces, loss of spouse, loss of home, loss of employment, loss of neighborly friends, loss of votes to govern; etc. )
^ THAT DOES NOT, EFFECT, the LOSS of a mans SALVATION IN the Lord God OR the mans RELATIONSHIP WITH the Lord God...
^ IT does EFFECT, "the relationship" BETWEEN PEOPLE...
^ IT does EFFECT, "the LOSS of REWARDS" From God....because the person is SO BUSY "sneaking, lying, cheating" another person....
THEY ARE NOT GLORIFYING GOD!
It's NOT Complicated.
A man ONLY "WITH" the Lord God...CAN deflect and no longer be "WITH" the Lord God....
** ie....HELLO....grand Biblical Example:
Judas Iscariot! He was "WITH" the Lord...THEN was NOT "WITH" the Lord...
He DID NOT "stay WITH" the Lord and he DID NOT, BECOME "MADE IN the Lord" (Baptized with the HS, SAVED and the Lord God "IN" him).
** ie....HELLO...grand Biblical Examples;
The 11 remaining Disciples Jesus' expressly CHOSE....were WITH Jesus...AND ALL Heartfully CONFESSED BELIEVE, and became Baptized with the HOLY SPIRIT....THEY BECAME "IN" the Lord God, and the POWER of the Lord God...."IN" THEM.
** THEY are each..."WITH and IN" the Lord God and the Lord God "IN THEM"...and "WITH" them FOREVER!
** YOU think the "DISCIPLES" thereafter, HAD PERFECT harmonious "RELATIONSHIPS" with "every other PERSON"? No, they didn't.
** Do you think..."THEIR SALVATION" was AT RISK, IN DANGER", Because of ANY RELATIONSHIP they had "WITH OTHER PEOPLE"? No, it wasn't.
If I speak lies it should not matter, according to you.
IF you speak LIES to me...About your job, your hobbies, your whatever, so what...It does not Affect me.
IF you speak LIES to me...About SCRIPTURE, I can VERIFY what you SAY, IN SCRIPTURE, to KNOW if it is a LIE, or NOT.
I can IGNORE YOU, or Challenge YOU, or Tell you WHAT you are SAYING IS NOT TRUE.
And the Allegations you Make Against men who ARE Saved (OSAS) are False.
I have confessed Jesus is my savior, I am in his hands, and he will not abandon me, right?
Correct....
If I speak the truth though, OSAS people better learn how to repent and stay on the right path.
You Are Saved...and the Lord will NEVER Abandon You....but other People who ARE Saved...better learn how to repent and stay on the Right Path?
How egotistical! And hypocritical...Salvation given you IS Not different than the Salvation any other man receives (OSAS). IS Never Abandoned, just like YOU Just Claimed For Youself!!! While saying other Saved men Had better repent and Stay on the right Path....
First of all...a man is not Converting IN The Lord God....Until the man Repents of his SIN (of Having HAD Disbelief IN God)...
So WHAT "repentance" are you talking About???...
and How do YOU KNOW if a man Repents or Not?
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