Protestant Leaders and the pope

[epostle1]

He got rid of the globalist /oligars/bankers. Theives and robbers there are many videos of him telling the leeches how it is now going to be. You pay pensions and look after the people. It takes time to sort out and stay alive the second most corrupt contry in the world. Hes done fantastic. But still the clowns who watch cnn etc still belive the drival that the globalist shove down most throats. Putin is the man of the moment.

I suggest you take a long vacation in North Korea, a much purer form of Putin-ism. Are you trying to bury post #44?

 

[Truth]

It is man’s attempt to create the promise land

Got it, Thanks, I agree

 

[Truth]

"If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Galatians 3:29)

For a Truth, Yes, Only if you are truly grafted into the Root, and Fatness of the Original Olive Tree. For if they who are of the natural tree be broken off, and you being of a wild olive be grafted in, do not boast against the natural least you be broken off. God still only made Covenants with Israel proper, Abraham, Issac , and Jacob, now know as Israel.

 

[Ally.s.j]

If you wrote I probaly could bury it. I see your struggling to come up with anything of any real value.

 

[amadeus]

Sorry guys, I’m Protestant myself, but far be it from me to look at the splinter in my brother’s eye …

Actually more Protestants than Catholics were in bed with the Nazis. The “German Christians” even wanted to eradicate the OT, because of their rampant Anti-Semitism. Very few German Protestants were brave enough to join the “Confessing Church” and their opposition against Hitler’s atrocities is easily matched by outspoken Catholics such as Bishop von Galen.

I’d be very surprised if the Pope had ever condoned any kind of terrorism. Can you provide us with a link for this accusation?

Actually the best testimonies are on behalf of the Jehovah's Witnesses who for the most part refused to cooperate with the Nazis and suffered greatly as a result. But... not many mention them other than to say they are a cult.

Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses in Nazi Germany

Jehovah's Witnesses suffered religious persecution in Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1945 after refusing to perform military service, join Nazi organizations or give allegiance to the Hitler regime. An estimated 10,000 Witnesses—half of the number of members in Germany during that period—were imprisoned, including 2000 who were sent to concentration camps. An estimated 1200 died in custody, including 250 who were executed. They were the first Christian denomination banned in the Third Reich and the most extensively and intensively persecuted.[1] Unlike Jews and Gypsies who were persecuted on the basis of their ethnicity, Jehovah's Witnesses could escape persecution and personal harm by renouncing their religious beliefs by signing a document indicating renouncement of their faith, submission to state authority, and support of the German military.[2] Historian Sybil Milton concludes that "their courage and defiance in the face of torture and death punctures the myth of a monolithic Nazi state ruling over docile and submissive subjects."[3]

The group came under increasing public and governmental persecution from 1933, with many expelled from jobs and schools, deprived of income and suffering beatings and imprisonment, despite early attempts to demonstrate shared goals with the National Socialist regime.

 

[junobet]

For a Truth, Yes, Only if you are truly grafted into the Root, and Fatness of the Original Olive Tree. For if they who are of the natural tree be broken off, and you being of a wild olive be grafted in, do not boast against the natural least you be broken off. God still only made Covenants with Israel proper, Abraham, Issac , and Jacob, now know as Israel.

You forgot that God made a covenant with Noah before Abraham and Moses. And it is common Christian understanding (both among Catholics and traditional Protestants) that He made a “New Covenant” in Jesus Christ, which made the old one “obsolete” (Hebrews 8:6-13). Through Jesus Christ the Old Covenant was indeed fulfilled and all nations are blessed through Abraham’s seed (Genesis 22:18; Galatians 3:15-29)

I don’t remind you of these basic tenants of traditional Christian faith because I’ve got anything against Israel or Jews. Quite the contrary: If I was a Jew living in Israel I’d be rather scared of some evangelical sects who want to make Jews a pawn in their end game and who’d do anything to actively bring Armageddon about as soon as possible.

 

[junobet]

Actually the best testimonies are on behalf of the Jehovah's Witnesses who for the most part refused to cooperate with the Nazis and suffered greatly as a result. But... not many mention them other than to say they are a cult.

Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses in Nazi Germany

Jehovah's Witnesses suffered religious persecution in Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1945 after refusing to perform military service, join Nazi organizations or give allegiance to the Hitler regime. An estimated 10,000 Witnesses—half of the number of members in Germany during that period—were imprisoned, including 2000 who were sent to concentration camps. An estimated 1200 died in custody, including 250 who were executed. They were the first Christian denomination banned in the Third Reich and the most extensively and intensively persecuted.[1] Unlike Jews and Gypsies who were persecuted on the basis of their ethnicity, Jehovah's Witnesses could escape persecution and personal harm by renouncing their religious beliefs by signing a document indicating renouncement of their faith, submission to state authority, and support of the German military.[2] Historian Sybil Milton concludes that "their courage and defiance in the face of torture and death punctures the myth of a monolithic Nazi state ruling over docile and submissive subjects."[3]

The group came under increasing public and governmental persecution from 1933, with many expelled from jobs and schools, deprived of income and suffering beatings and imprisonment, despite early attempts to demonstrate shared goals with the National Socialist regime.

Yes, indeed. While I deem most of their theology to be absolutely bogus, the Jehovah’s Witnesses' pacifism and the sacrifices they were willing to bring for it are to be admired.

 

[mjrhealth]

I’d be rather scared of some evangelical sects who want to make Jews a pawn in their end game and who’d do anything to actively bring Armageddon about as soon as possible.

I think you would find that many would rather it didnt happen especially when they realise they are not ready.

 

[aspen]

Got it, Thanks, I agree

I tend to think the ‘milk and honey’ spoken about is the same as the water that quenches - John 4:13-14.

 

[aspen]

Sorry guys, I’m Protestant myself, but far be it from me to look at the splinter in my brother’s eye …

Actually more Protestants than Catholics were in bed with the Nazis. The “German Christians” even wanted to eradicate the OT, because of their rampant Anti-Semitism. Very few German Protestants were brave enough to join the “Confessing Church” and their opposition against Hitler’s atrocities is easily matched by outspoken Catholics such as Bishop von Galen.

I’d be very surprised if the Pope had ever condoned any kind of terrorism. Can you provide us with a link for this accusation?

Yep. The Catholic Church is an easy target because it is united. Many Prostestants get frustrated that Muslims do not have a leader to blame; the irony remains lost to them.

 

[aspen]

Mjr,

Whats it like to call yourself a Christian and not believe in anything? Never could imagine a Christian atheist until now.....

 

[mjrhealth]

Mjr,

Whats it like to call yourself a Christian and not believe in anything? Never could imagine a Christian atheist until now.....

Believe, well knowing Christ is a lot more than believing, and Him knowing my name makes us kinda like friends, far better than religion, which is all mens believing and little of knowing anything. Egypt and babylon nice representatives of mens religion, Egypt, slaves of men, being "told" what to do, and believe, Babylon, so many confusing voices, you know that bit, "come out of her my people".

 

[Triumph1300]

I referred in one of my posts about the Pope speaking up in support of Palestinian Terrorists, and I was asked to supply a link.
Sorry to say, I don't have a link because I saw it on the news.
But I learned my lesson. I will in the future hang on to links, just in case.
So, for a starter, here's a link from the National Post, one of Canada's leading newspapers.

Read the news story here:

SANTIAGO, Chile — Pope Francis accused victims of Chile’s most notorious pedophile of slander Thursday, an astonishing end to a visit meant to help heal the wounds of a sex abuse scandal that has cost the Catholic Church its credibility in the country.

LINK HERE:

Pope Francis shocks Chile by accusing sex abuse victims of slander

 

[Truth]

You forgot that God made a covenant with Noah before Abraham and Moses. And it is common Christian understanding (both among Catholics and traditional Protestants) that He made a “New Covenant” in Jesus Christ, which made the old one “obsolete” (Hebrews 8:6-13). Through Jesus Christ the Old Covenant was indeed fulfilled and all nations are blessed through Abraham’s seed (Genesis 22:18; Galatians 3:15-29)

I don’t remind you of these basic tenants of traditional Christian faith because I’ve got anything against Israel or Jews. Quite the contrary: If I was a Jew living in Israel I’d be rather scared of some evangelical sects who want to make Jews a pawn in their end game and who’d do anything to actively bring Armageddon about as soon as possible.

Well with all due respect, what I believe is that by the blood of our Savior, the Covenants of everlasting were Renewed, Refreshed, as the moon is not new each month, but Renewed, there is also a Covenant made with Phiehas who took the javelin and slayed the man and woman, and so God Granted Him the Covenant of Peace. Numbers 25:7-13

 

[Truth]

I tend to think the ‘milk and honey’ spoken about is the same as the water that quenches - John 4:13-14.

Only living waters, keep thirst away. If any man thirst let him Come unto ME, and out of his belly shall flow Rivers of living waters. As He said to the woman at the well, if you drink of the water that I give, you shall never thirst again< just paraphrasing> just as He said about those that hunger and thirst after Righteousness, they shall be filled! If you can only handle a tablespoon of Righteousness it wont take much to fill you, But if you can not be filled then you will over time be filled to want and more!

 

[Naomi25]

With regards to the OP...I'm not Catholic, and I happily confess I'm not well read on any of these matters. But there does seem to be an up-take in news reports of the Pope encouraging inter-faith co-operation. Now...I'm fully aware that one can hardly trust the media these days, but it does occur to me that there could be some validity to the idea of some Protestant leaders meeting with the Pope.
Unlike some here, I don't hate the Catholic Church. I can't say I agree with all of it's theology or doctrines, but I don't think it's Satan's row boat here on Earth. I also think a certain amount of "inter-faith" cooperation can be good...to an extent. Catholics and Protestants both claim to follow and love Christ...if we can't gather in his name with some sort of civil fellowship, what does that say to the world at large?
The real "inter-faith" gatherings that trouble me, is the ones that include non-Christian faiths. When you start saying that our God is the same as the Muslims god, then we get into dangerous waters. I don't know if the Pope has made any claims to that effect...while he seems more liberal then his predecessors, I doubt it. Those on this forum who are Catholics could probably say....

 

[Triumph1300]

Unlike some here, I don't hate the Catholic Church.

There's that "hate" comment again.
Just because somebody disagrees with catholic doctrine and considers it "non- christian" does not mean that the person "hates".
I'm so sick of that. I see it all the time. In politics, in religious discussions, even in the bus. world.....when one refuses to shop at Walmart he must "hate" that store....

 

[Truth]

With regards to the OP...I'm not Catholic, and I happily confess I'm not well read on any of these matters. But there does seem to be an up-take in news reports of the Pope encouraging inter-faith co-operation. Now...I'm fully aware that one can hardly trust the media these days, but it does occur to me that there could be some validity to the idea of some Protestant leaders meeting with the Pope.
Unlike some here, I don't hate the Catholic Church. I can't say I agree with all of it's theology or doctrines, but I don't think it's Satan's row boat here on Earth. I also think a certain amount of "inter-faith" cooperation can be good...to an extent. Catholics and Protestants both claim to follow and love Christ...if we can't gather in his name with some sort of civil fellowship, what does that say to the world at large?
The real "inter-faith" gatherings that trouble me, is the ones that include non-Christian faiths. When you start saying that our God is the same as the Muslims god, then we get into dangerous waters. I don't know if the Pope has made any claims to that effect...while he seems more liberal then his predecessors, I doubt it. Those on this forum who are Catholics could probably say....

I like what you have said, It would be Great to be able to gain understanding with people of all Christian faiths. Paul said that some say we are of Paul, some of Peter some of Zwigly, some of Luther!!!!!!! I did not die for you, OUR SAVIOR DIED IN OUR STEED, He laid down His life that all could be Saved, so we should be able to interact, learn grow together, as the BODY of Messiah [Christ] Has anyone ever heard the saying that some peoples minds are like concrete, all mixed up and set, that is the best way to express people of other denominations, this is what we believe and we won't listen to any other precepts , when we could come to a better understanding by working through our differences and coming to some conclusions that might be rewarding!

 

[aspen]

Doctrines only take us so far anyway - Christ unites us.

 

[Truth]

Doctrines only take us so far anyway - Christ unites us.

Yes you are right, sooo let's play with rattle snakes,LOL to prove that what the Scriptures say are true, lest we forget that we are not to temp the Lord, lest we dash our foot against a stone or step off a cliff. I know this is out there, but some doctrines are simply short of the Truth. Context is the value of Scripture, and without It we can be swayed into holding onto things that are not of God at all! May the God of Creation be Praised, because we have His Instructions to help us understand, for without them we would be LOST!