They hate the idea that Christ will literally rule and reign over this earth. Perhaps they love how things are at present with sin and evil reigning over the earth.
Question: Why not believe in Christ's millennial reign on earth?
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And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
It's wailing and bitterness, not confession unto salvation.
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
They will be all the kindreds of the earth, that were not resurrected into the air. And there is no hint of salvation at that time, but only wailing.
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
The only ones physically piercing Him and looking upon Him on the cross, is already fulfilled. And Judas was already dead.
The person I am referring to speaks of the reign of Christ on earth as exactly that. A bunch of evil-doing reprobates will still be at large on earth, just as before the flood.
His attitude about the Lord's ability to rule in peace and judge the whole earth, stinks.
I mean, His resurrected saints will be ruling for Him over every nation, region, city, town, hamlet, and rural lands.
There will be no warfare allowed, and each crime wil be judge righteously, and executed quickly.
No one will be able to pick-pocket someone at the north pole, without the Lord Himself knowing about it.
I mean, exactly what do they think perfected resurrection in spirit and body is?
All we have to do is look in Rev 1, to see for ourselves the manner of being resurrected in His likeness.
Maybe you would quote the passages you are referring to. There is nothing in the post I responded to, apart from your personal opinion. Please present your evidence.
So, where do you get all this in Revelation 20? It seems like you are taking your theology from the Left Behind novels.
Who are the billions of wicked then that overrun your supposed future millennium in the future if this is a time of perfect bliss?
Hebrews 4:1-3 says, “Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest.”
And continues in Hebrews 4:9-11 “There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.”
The place of rest is “a promise” for all God’s people (Hebrews 4:1). However, like every promise that God gives us, it must be received and used.
That land can only be entered by faith or “with faith” (Hebrews 4:2).
When a man enters into that place of rest he ceases “from his own works” (Hebrews 4:10). He abandons every confidence in himself.
Canaan was always viewed as the Promised Land – the earthly place of rest of the people of God in the Old Testament; however, it was not viewed as the eternal rest.
Hebrews 11:8-10 describes how our great father of the faith, the Patriarch, Abraham looked for that great heavenly city, saying, “By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: for he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.”
It would seem right to regard God's future inheritance for Israel as relating to the heavenly abode and the prepared city the New Jerusalem. The Patriarch’s earthly abode in Canaan is depicted here as a temporary sojourn and “a strange country.” This was not Abraham’s eternal abode or was it his true home. Like us, he looked for the New Jerusalem that would last forever. Man’s ultimate hope (whether Old Testament or New Testament) is when Jerusalem from above comes down to the earth to dwell forever.
Hebrews 11:13-16 says, specifically speaking of the great Old Testament champions of faith, “These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
Here, in easily comprehensible language, we see the focus and overriding desire of these Old Testament heroes of the faith (nearly all of whom had accessed the old Jerusalem in their lifetime) revealed. They plainly desired a “prepared” heavenly city.
The Old Testament saints, like those in the New Testament, looked forth to a “prepared” eternal heavenly city, not a physical temporal earthly one. Their eyes were therefore not below but above. Scripture plainly tells us that that “place” is called the New Jerusalem – the eternal home of the beloved. The Premillennialist that looks for old Jerusalem at the second coming is evidently focused upon the wrong city.
Like Abraham and the Old Testament saints of old, our eyes should be fixed upon another country, not an earthly, and a city that is not built with hands or can be touched or visited in this fleeting life.
Whilst earthly Jerusalem may be the hope today of the Christ-rejecting Jew, the heavenly New Jerusalem was the desire of the believing Old Testament saints.
That “place,” which Christ is preparing us, and for which His people are patiently waiting, is identified as an actual city in Hebrews 13:14. Notwithstanding, it is not a physical temporal earthly city sitting in the center of natural Israel, but rather a heavenly eternal city. The passage says, “for here (that is on this earth) have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.” That city is the New Jerusalem, which Christ is presently preparing. Earthly Jerusalem is clearly with us now, whereas the New Jerusalem in all its glory is still to come!!!
Zechariah 12:10 rebuts your claim by explicitly including they who pierced Jesus.
That includes Judas, an Israelite.
Don't you, a premil, believe Romans 11:26 that all Israel will be saved?
That includes Judas, an Israelite.
The Romans were not of the house of David.
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Timtofly
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No one makes a profession of faith after the 6th Seal is opened. So no one "gets saved" during the Trumpets or Thunders. And certainly no one "gets saved" after the 7th Trumpet starts to sound.
Those beheaded in Satan's AoD are not "saved" by living. They are literally saved by chopping their head off to remain in the Lamb's book of life. They don't put their name in the book, and then martyred. Their names have not been removed yet, by taking the mark. But that is a decision between a soul and God. The decision will be to chop of one's head to remain in the Lamb's book of life. If you call that "getting saved", fine. It is also called being literally physically dead.
The sheep are directly chosen by Jesus Christ and the goats are directly rejected by Jesus Christ. The 144k are sealed by an angel. They do not ask God to send an angel to seal them. The wheat are those personally chosen by Jesus, while the tares are gathered by angels and burned up. No one is asking Jesus nor an angel to send them to their eternal destination.
Every human to ever be conceived has their name in the Lamb's book of life.
The Atonement was not limited, but covered all of Adam's offspring. All humanity has the right to be removed from the Lamb's book of life.
But not one name was ever left out on purpose. That would mean that God chose not to be the Lamb for some. Your translation of Revelation 13 is calvanistic heresy. The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the earth. The Atonement covered all and left no names out. No one can be removed until the 7th Seal is opened. Even those currently in sheol are still named in the Lamb's book of life. They will be removed at the GWT judgment if that is still their choice. We cannot put our name in the Lamb's book of life, by choice. Certainly God did not purposely leave some names out by their choice.
God predestined that all be saved. He foreknew who would and who would not. But God does not rely on our choice to save us. God relies on our choice to condemn us. If your claim is no one can go against God's Will, then all will be saved, because God is not willing that any should perish but all come to repentance. All does not mean some, and only those He chooses. All means all, and all are in the Lamb's book of life, until they are removed.
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jeffweeder
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Without repentance there is no atonement.
Matthew 3:11
“As for me, I baptize you with water because of [your] repentance [that is, because you are willing to change your inner self—your old way of thinking, regret your sin and live a changed life], but He (the Messiah) who is coming after me is mightier [more powerful, more noble] than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to remove [even as His slave]; He will baptize you [who truly repent] with the Holy Spirit and [you who remain unrepentant] with fire (judgment).
No, Amils are looking for a perfect arrangement that is delivered from the bondage of corruption not another age like this one that is plagued by sin and sinners, deception and being deceived, crying and dying, disease and decay, war and terror, Satan and his devils as you argue.
RR144
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Well, Jesus did say “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me." John 14:19
Timtofly
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I am pretty sure the sheep will not mind being chosen instead of eternal punishment.
Timtofly
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If I get you right, then it would be an explanation for vehemence, not so much against Him reigning on earth after the resurrection, but is all about confirming His spiritual resurrection and reigning with us now, as His flesh and bones and Israel of God on earth.
I believe both.
His millennial ruling and walking with us now, not matter how many day, months and years, is true.
His millennial rule over nations with us, will be a thousand years, which will be as one day to the resurrected Lord and saints.
The problem I see with believers in present spiritual millennial resurrection, with newness of life always being as day one, is that they somehow think it is necessary to reject reigning on earth with Him, after bodily resurrection.
They act as though it is either/or, when nothing in Scripture says it is. We can live the first now, and also believe the other for later.
No Scripture says that, if we believe in the millennial reign of Christ over the nations of the earth, with our resurrected bodies, we can't also believe and live in His spiritual resurrection and rule of life today.
That would be Catholic Christendom's apostolic army for world conversion.
The unbelieving Jews still seek it, as well as the Islamists.
The spirit is the same, though not always practiced the same.
The reformation, and England shutting down the hopes of the Spanish and Holy Roman empire, as well as the Mongols taking care of the Islamists, is why we haven't had a religious empire of man for the past hundreds of years.
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Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
That is fulfilled in both the present spiritual millennium day with Christ, where we reign with Him over our own lives and affairs on earth
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us.
As well as with our bodily resurrection to reign with Him over all nations on the earth:
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Even as He shepherdly rules with us today, so shall we shepherdly rule with Him on the earth.
His millennial reign will begin only with the naturally neighborly sheep remaining alive on earth, after the resurrection of the church, and His return to the earth to smite them at Armageddon, and then them goats that were not at Armageddon.
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Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception
Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim
The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!
"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"
Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
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