THE AGE OF MAN IS OVER ONE MILLION YEARS

[Rocky Wiley]

Mankind has been around far longer than we have wanted to accept. This makes sense because it is proven by fossils that have been found.

Is that confusion to Christians? Sure it is, because Adam walked this earth around 8000 years ago but fossils of man are over 1.7 millions years old.

If mankind in Gen 1 were created just 2000 years prior, still leaves a big gap.

I have wondered for several years why would God try to confuse us when scripture says:
1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion

By searching for an answer, here is what I understand so far:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was(H1961) without form, and void;

הָיָה
hâyâh
haw-yaw'
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass

become or became
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form (wrong translation)

Gen 1:2 And the earth BECAME without form (RIGHT TRANSLATION)

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion

I am not confused anymore!

 

[DPMartin]

count the how old that Adam was when Shem was born:

Gen 5:3　 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:　

continue to add accordingly and the flood will be 1656 yr's after the first year of Adam's living Noah was the tenth from Adam count after the flood and Abraham was born 1948 years after Adam and is the twentieth from Adam. also 365 yr's after Arphaxad was born the Lord God called Abraham, and Enoch the seventh, whom God had taken lived 365 yr's. now there are 365 days in a year but there's no proof one way or the other how many days were in a year before the flood. or what size the earth was before the flood or what the gravity was before the flood of which any of those possibilities could skew man made scientific intermediation and measurements that would have the presumptions that it was the same then as it is now.

 

[Windmillcharge]

Mankind has been around far longer than we have wanted to accept. This makes sense because it is proven by fossils that have been found.

How do the fossels prove this?

 

[Rocky Wiley]

How do the fossels prove this?

The age of many fossils, like dinosaurs, go back to over a million years. The bible started keeping records of Adam and his children and it comes to somewhere around 6000 years and now we have added 2020 years.

 

[Base12]

...of which any of those possibilities could skew man made scientific intermediation and measurements that would have the presumptions that it was the same then as it is now.

Let's apply that same line of thought to those that try to age the Earth by adding up lifespans...

2 Peter 3:8
"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day"

Well then...

It would seem that Time is not a constant in Scripture! Could this throw a spanner into the 6,000 year 'theory'?

Let's investigate further...

We know that context is very important, so let's look at what this '1 Day = 1,000 Years' business is referring to by backing up a couple of verses...

2 Peter 3:6
"Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"

Interesting! It would seem that during the Flood, a day lasted a thousand years.



Let's go ahead and plug this new info into our 'Young Earth' equations...

Genesis 7:12
"And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights"

OK, so if it rained for 40 days, that means it actually rained for 40,000 years!!!

40 X 1,000 = 40,000

But then again...

What if '1,000 years' meant "a really long time".

Hmmmm...

40 x 1,000,000 = 40,000,000

Looks like the flood could have lasted millions of years!!!

While only forty days passed inside of the Ark, the outside world experienced millions of years passing.

Sound crazy?

You Young Earth people need to prove to the World that time passed normally, otherwise your timelines are bogus.

 

[101G]

Addressing the OP only, listen when God created the earth, he created it from scratch. hence the reason why the six day of creation, to make it beautiful, to shape it, form it, and fashion it for what? answer, Isaiah 45:18 "For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else".

Now stop right there, vain here is the same word used in Genesis 1:2. now let's look at this word closley.
H8414 תֹּהוּ tohuw (to'-hoo) n-m.
1. a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert.
2. (figuratively) a worthless thing.
3. (adverbially) in vain.
[from an unused root meaning to lie waste]
KJV: confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.

he, God haven't made anything on the earth yet. again that's why he took his time in creating everything in ORDER.

STOP right there and take a breath. get that in your head and then we will see why he said, "Let there be LIGHT".

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

lets stay in Genesis 1:2, and get so understanding. Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters”.

the earth “was” H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v.
1. to exist.
2. to be or become.
3. to come into being, i.e. to happen, to occur (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary).
[a primitive root]
KJV: beacon, X altogether, be(-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-)self, require, X use.
Compare: H1933

H1933 הָוָא hava' (haw-vaw') v.
הָוָה havah (haw-vaw')
1. supposed to mean properly, to breathe.
2. to be (in the sense of existence).
[a primitive root]
KJV: be, X have.
Compare: H183, H1961

DID one get that? guess not, the EARTH “WAS” to BECOME a “LIVING” BREATHING PLANET. to become a “LIVING”, and “BREATHING”, planet, some things had to be put in place for it to be a LIVING planet, like … Ecosystem. and the first one starts with “WATER”. Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters”. well what you know, there was some WATER”. Hmmmmm, God created water right off the bat, what you say ... lol. so we’re, because this planet is a carbon based life giving planet with carbon base living “LIVING” creatures on it.

PICJAG.

 

[Paul Christensen]

count the how old that Adam was when Shem was born:

Gen 5:3　 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:　

continue to add accordingly and the flood will be 1656 yr's after the first year of Adam's living Noah was the tenth from Adam count after the flood and Abraham was born 1948 years after Adam and is the twentieth from Adam. also 365 yr's after Arphaxad was born the Lord God called Abraham, and Enoch the seventh, whom God had taken lived 365 yr's. now there are 365 days in a year but there's no proof one way or the other how many days were in a year before the flood. or what size the earth was before the flood or what the gravity was before the flood of which any of those possibilities could skew man made scientific intermediation and measurements that would have the presumptions that it was the same then as it is now.

We need to understand how Jewish genealogy works. Some experts in Jewish genealogy have said that the names of people stand more for generational groups than for individuals. So, in the case of Adam being the patriarch of a generational group, we don't know how long that generational group lasted. If Adam himself lived for 900 years and had many sons and daughters, we can only guess how long it took for his generational group to die out. Then we have Cain's and Seth's generational group of which they were patriarchs, and so on. And we have Methuselah who lived for 1000 years, so his generational group would be enormous. So, when we think of that, we can accept that many thousands of years could have gone by before the Flood, which wiped everyone out except Noah and his family. We can conclude that the event of the confusion of languages as the result of the tower of Babel happened a relatively short time after the flood, but enough time for a reasonably sized population to have formed. Then we don't know how much time it took for people to migrate around the world - to China, to the Americas, and to the Islands of the Pacific. At the same time we don't know how long it was between those migrations and Abraham, because by Abraham's time, nations all over the middle east and Egypt had been formed and had been established for a very long time.

After Abraham, the generational progress had slowed down from him through to Joseph and the settling of Israel in Egypt. We are not told how long it was between then and when a Pharaoh arose who didn't know Joseph. It must have been a very long time for the fame of Joseph to have disappeared from Egyptian history.

When all this is considered, 2,600 years seems to be a very short time frame for the world to be as populated as it was by the time Moses came on the scene in the 14th Century B.C, 3,400 years ago.

So, having a probable date for the tower of Babel being 23,000 B.C. would be within the realm of logic, given the archaelogical evidence of people being in North America by 198,000 B.C.

 

[DPMartin]

We need to understand how Jewish genealogy works. Some experts in Jewish genealogy have said that the names of people stand more for generational groups than for individuals. So, in the case of Adam being the patriarch of a generational group, we don't know how long that generational group lasted. If Adam himself lived for 900 years and had many sons and daughters, we can only guess how long it took for his generational group to die out. Then we have Cain's and Seth's generational group of which they were patriarchs, and so on. And we have Methuselah who lived for 1000 years, so his generational group would be enormous. So, when we think of that, we can accept that many thousands of years could have gone by before the Flood, which wiped everyone out except Noah and his family. We can conclude that the event of the confusion of languages as the result of the tower of Babel happened a relatively short time after the flood, but enough time for a reasonably sized population to have formed. Then we don't know how much time it took for people to migrate around the world - to China, to the Americas, and to the Islands of the Pacific. At the same time we don't know how long it was between those migrations and Abraham, because by Abraham's time, nations all over the middle east and Egypt had been formed and had been established for a very long time.

After Abraham, the generational progress had slowed down from him through to Joseph and the settling of Israel in Egypt. We are not told how long it was between then and when a Pharaoh arose who didn't know Joseph. It must have been a very long time for the fame of Joseph to have disappeared from Egyptian history.

When all this is considered, 2,600 years seems to be a very short time frame for the world to be as populated as it was by the time Moses came on the scene in the 14th Century B.C, 3,400 years ago.

So, having a probable date for the tower of Babel being 23,000 B.C. would be within the realm of logic, given the archaelogical evidence of people being in North America by 198,000 B.C.

there's no reason for writing ten generation to represent more then that. if they can document one version then they can document another, sounds more like your theory never herd of it. and yes the years are document when Israel was brought out of Egypt but you are going have to read before you spout off un informed speculation.

 

[DPMartin]

Let's apply that same line of thought to those that try to age the Earth by adding up lifespans...

2 Peter 3:8
"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day"

Well then...

It would seem that Time is not a constant in Scripture! Could this throw a spanner into the 6,000 year 'theory'?

Let's investigate further...

We know that context is very important, so let's look at what this '1 Day = 1,000 Years' business is referring to by backing up a couple of verses...

2 Peter 3:6
"Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"

Interesting! It would seem that during the Flood, a day lasted a thousand years.



Let's go ahead and plug this new info into our 'Young Earth' equations...

Genesis 7:12
"And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights"

OK, so if it rained for 40 days, that means it actually rained for 40,000 years!!!

40 X 1,000 = 40,000

But then again...

What if '1,000 years' meant "a really long time".

Hmmmm...

40 x 1,000,000 = 40,000,000

Looks like the flood could have lasted millions of years!!!

While only forty days passed inside of the Ark, the outside world experienced millions of years passing.

Sound crazy?

You Young Earth people need to prove to the World that time passed normally, otherwise your timelines are bogus.

age of earth and how long man has been are two different subjects aren't they. there's no argument against the earth being older then man. nor does the creation text imply in any way that a creation day was a 24hr or one revolution of the earth the sun wasn't made until the fourth day.

so you uninformed ignorant to the facts yoyos should read first before you say its wrong. and:

Gen 7:24　 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.　



so your self made miss inform theory is wrong it rained for 40 days but they remain in the ark much longer then that.

 

[Paul Christensen]

there's no reason for writing ten generation to represent more then that. if they can document one version then they can document another, sounds more like your theory never herd of it. and yes the years are document when Israel was brought out of Egypt but you are going have to read before you spout off un informed speculation.

Accusing me of having an uninformed speculation weakens the credibility of your position. In actual fact, I have read widely about these things which shows I didn't come down in the last shower.

So, my question to you is: how do you account for the fact that archaeological evidence shows that humans inhabited North America 20,000 years ago, if human history is just 6,000 years old?

 

[Enoch111]

I have wondered for several years why would God try to confuse us

It is not God who is trying to confuse us, but you who are trying to confuse yourself (with help from those who do not believe the Bible). Dinosaurs were walking around when Adam was created. They all probably perished in the Flood.

BTW the Gap Theory has been thoroughly debunked. But you should not let that stop you. Also adopt the Flat Earth theory and then you will have a perfect combination.

 

[marksman]

The age of many fossils, like dinosaurs, go back to over a million years. The bible started keeping records of Adam and his children and it comes to somewhere around 6000 years and now we have added 2020 years.

That is what the evolutionists want you to believe but the fact is evolution is unravelling at a rate of knots that will leave them with one claim and one claim only and that is I believe in evolution because I don't believe there is a God, which is what evolution is all about, getting God out of the equation.

 

[Base12]

so your self made miss inform theory is wrong it rained for 40 days but they remain in the ark much longer then that.

Yes. I was just giving a simple example of how just one verse can mess up everyone's Timeline Charts.

It's been a while since I did the math, but I think Noah was on the Ark for about a year.

This site says 364 days...

How long was Noah on the Ark? - creation.com

If we do the "1 Day=1,000 Year" deal, that means that the Flood lasted 364,000 years.

When did Homo Sapiens show up?

According to Wikipedia...

"The earliest fossil evidence of early Homo sapiens appears in Africa around 300,000 years ago..."

Homo sapiens - Wikipedia

And there you have it. I'd say that's close enough to make the Bible right!

Another day, another Great Mystery solved. You're welcome everyone.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

It is not God who is trying to confuse us, but you who are trying to confuse yourself (with help from those who do not believe the Bible). Dinosaurs were walking around when Adam was created. They all probably perished in the Flood.

BTW the Gap Theory has been thoroughly debunked. But you should not let that stop you. Also adopt the Flat Earth theory and then you will have a perfect combination.

BTW the flood you speak of was local.

 

[Taken]

Mankind has been around far longer than we have wanted to accept. This makes sense because it is proven by fossils that have been found.

Is that confusion to Christians? Sure it is, because Adam walked this earth around 8000 years ago but fossils of man are over 1.7 millions years old.

If mankind in Gen 1 were created just 2000 years prior, still leaves a big gap.

I have wondered for several years why would God try to confuse us when scripture says:
1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion

By searching for an answer, here is what I understand so far:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was(H1961) without form, and void;

הָיָה
hâyâh
haw-yaw'
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass

become or became
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form (wrong translation)

Gen 1:2 And the earth BECAME without form (RIGHT TRANSLATION)

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion

I am not confused anymore!

Hey Rocky-
Your post is confusing.
1) you quote Scripture (Gods Word)
2) you then give your source ...as God?,
No, man.

Why is your source for Gods Word man and not God?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Enoch111]

BTW the flood you speak of was local.

Obviously YOU DO NOT BELIEVE GOD OR THE BIBLE. You might want to quit right here, since your objective is to contradict God and the Bible. That was always Satan's objective also.

THE FACE OF THE EARTH = THE WHOLE EARTH
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them...

For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth...

ALL FLESH = ALL LIVING CREATURES WORLDWIDE
THE EARTH = THE WHOLE EARTH
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth...

And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

FROM UNDER HEAVEN = THE WHOLE EARTH
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; andevery thing that is in the earth shall die.

 

[Windmillcharge]

The age of many fossils, like dinosaurs, go back to over a million years. The bible started keeping records of Adam and his children and it comes to somewhere around 6000 years and now we have added 2020 years.

Merely saying that dinosaurs are over a !illion years old is not proof of there age.
What evidence can you quote that demonstrates or shows that they are this old?

 

[Paul Christensen]

That is what the evolutionists want you to believe but the fact is evolution is unravelling at a rate of knots that will leave them with one claim and one claim only and that is I believe in evolution because I don't believe there is a God, which is what evolution is all about, getting God out of the equation.

It is very interesting that a scientific investigation was done and the result placed man first appearing 6000 years ago. This was done by a secular scientist and it really upset the evolutionist community. So they came up with explanations that tried to discount the results; such explanations were so ridiculous that they were just unbelievable.

The Old Testament genealogical record shows from Adam to Abraham was just 4000 years - from Abraham to Christ, 2000 years, and then 2000 years until the present day. That genealogical record is the only definite record we have. If we don't believe it, there is no substitute - only guesswork and supposition.

 

[marksman]

Yes. I was just giving a simple example of how just one verse can mess up everyone's Timeline Charts.

It's been a while since I did the math, but I think Noah was on the Ark for about a year.

This site says 364 days...

How long was Noah on the Ark? - creation.com

If we do the "1 Day=1,000 Year" deal, that means that the Flood lasted 364,000 years.

When did Homo Sapiens show up?

According to Wikipedia...

"The earliest fossil evidence of early Homo sapiens appears in Africa around 300,000 years ago..."

Homo sapiens - Wikipedia

And there you have it. I'd say that's close enough to make the Bible right!

Another day, another Great Mystery solved. You're welcome everyone.

The flood lasted 364,000 years. I am always looking for good jokes.

Wikipedia?? Another one of those jokes.